MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #12

[Csquare]

Once that I am aware of, back in 2000 a man was acquited of robbing a bank when his lawyers argued the prozac was at fault for his behavior and the jury agreed.


Christopher DeAngelo was his name I think, it has been tried 100s of other times and failed.

Do you recall what state that was in?

 

[LadyBug99]

Do you recall what state that was in?

Connecticut


http://injury-law.freeadvice.com/drug-toxic_chemicals/prozac-lawsuit.htm

 

[JLMcKenna83]

I'm sorry.. wasn't this thread about Elizabeth Olten and her "alleged" killer? When did it turn into a random B*fest about who's looking at who's blog?

I only say "alleged" bc technically she hasn't been found guilty yet.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Do you recall what state that was in?

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/1997-12-Chris-DeAngelo-28-robbery-spree.htm

It was in Connecticut story at link above.

 

[mixologist74]

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/1997-12-Chris-DeAngelo-28-robbery-spree.htm

It was in Connecticut story at link above.

My personal opinion is that people are too willing to use this as a defense. I understand that Prozac, as well as other drugs, have side effects. I have heard of suicidal tendencies in children and teens from Prozac use, but not so much in adults. A defense like this is just to take the focus off the real problem, which is the lack of self-control the perp had when committing a crime. JMHO

 

[Csquare]

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/1997-12-Chris-DeAngelo-28-robbery-spree.htm

It was in Connecticut story at link above.

Thank you for the info. I appreciate it

 

[PAXIMUS]

Lovely, she has a defense.
I didn't know about the Prozac. I wish I had. Prolonged use of antidepressants in children AB's age have been shown to cause suicidal tendencies and there is research ongoing into whether it causes homicidal and violent tendencies as well.

If it was the weeks before she killed that she was off it, maybe not.
If it was only days, it was still in her system.

That makes me doubt the ease of this seemingly simple conviction.

I am going to pull up every case where a prozac defense was used and e mail it to her attorney and encourage him to look closely at this. I think this would be the perfect case for it.

 

[PAXIMUS]

My personal opinion is that people are too willing to use this as a defense. I understand that Prozac, as well as other drugs, have side effects. I have heard of suicidal tendencies in children and teens from Prozac use, but not so much in adults. A defense like this is just to take the focus off the real problem, which is the lack of self-control the perp had when committing a crime. JMHO

Thats true I dont disagree with you entirely however a defense attorney is obligated to give his client the best possible defense there is and IMO a prozac defense should be considered here. I cant say for sure because I dont know how long she was on it, how much she took etc.

 

[Gray]

I looked for the same reasons as ladybug99, but then saw a post saying some not so nice things about the posters here. I don't understand why people get so up in arms over things that really shouldn't matter.

 

[Csquare]

I am going to pull up every case where a prozac defense was used and e mail it to her attorney and encourage him to look closely at this. I think this would be the perfect case for it.

It has only worked once so the % are not good.

 

[LadyBug99]

My personal opinion is that people are too willing to use this as a defense. I understand that Prozac, as well as other drugs, have side effects. I have heard of suicidal tendencies in children and teens from Prozac use, but not so much in adults. A defense like this is just to take the focus off the real problem, which is the lack of self-control the perp had when committing a crime. JMHO

I just think that these shady drug companies and doctors need to stop carelessly prescribing drugs PERIOD! Almost everything about the industry makes me sick.

 

[mixologist74]

I am going to pull up every case where a prozac defense was used and e mail it to her attorney and encourage him to look closely at this. I think this would be the perfect case for it.

Most antidepressants take 2 to 3 weeks to build to theraputic levels in the bloodstream. I would assume it would also take the same amount of time to go from theraputic level to no level at all once a person stops taking the drug.

 

[mixologist74]

I just think that these shady drug companies and doctors need to stop carelessly prescribing drugs PERIOD! Almost everything about the industry makes me sick.

I agree with you on this point. Especially antidepressants and ADHD drugs. I disagree with drugging a child unless everything else has already been done to try and fix the problem drug-free.

 

[Prof]

Was it ILC who said she was on a 3-day binge? I thought he just said she was getting high on thursday when she missed school? Her friend in the interview mentioned her wanting to bring drugs to a birthday party.

No, it was not ILC -- it was Tricia who has another source of a source
Here is her original post:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91230&page=17#post4411882

Hard to keep up with the source of any of these rumors lol

 

[mushyb]

I was on Prozac in my early 20's and i didn't like how it made me feel, so i stopped taking it. i weened myself off it and i felt like a bag of poo and couldn't think clearly. stopping cold turkey, who knows how i would have felt. yet, i really don't see how it could cause you to plan and murder someone. like i said i couldn't think clearly, no way could i have planned a murder, that's just my opinion.

 

[vjlaw]

No, it was not ILC -- it was Tricia who has another source of a source
Here is her original post:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91230&page=17#post4411882

Hard to keep up with the source of any of these rumors lol

Very hard to keep up with the rumors. Tricia trusts her source, so I wonder how does one go on a 3 day drug spree and not miss any school??

 

[Prof]

ILC said she was on a 3 day high. We don't believe everything ILC said. We don't know if she even used illegal drugs, or unprescribed drugs, at all. There's no evidence whatsoever that she was an addict. It would be pretty hard to be an A B student with no unexcused absences AND a meth addict. If she was using meth, it was a new thing, not an addiction.

No, I'm not convinced at all that this was a drug thing. Would a meth user spend time in the woods digging graves? Doesn't fit IMO. I can see maybe using drugs the day AFTER. I mean, she'd have to be pretty stoked/excited/agitated after what she'd (allegedly) done, so maybe needed something to make it easier to act normal.

Just fyi it was not ILC -- it was from a source Tricia trusts, and that source got if from a trusted source -- not that that really matters in this case of speculation, rumor, and very few known facts from locals who know people who know AB,or locals who know people who know someone in LE -- bandied about the internet like the children's game of "Telephone"- with no real tracking --

and add to that rumor stew the many news media articles who quoted LE and have since deleted those statements (not really deleted since the entire articles were copied all over the internet)

I have just about given up on trying to remember or track what information came from where lol

anyway, here is the original source of that particular rumor, speculation, or theory

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91230&page=17#post4411882


I am not convinced it is a drug thing either --other than the drug she was prescribed

 

[PAXIMUS]

I just think that these shady drug companies and doctors need to stop carelessly prescribing drugs PERIOD! Almost everything about the industry makes me sick.

There is one sure way to make them think twice, let a murderer walk because of it. I have no problem with that if it sends the message that needs to be sent.

 

[PAXIMUS]

I was on Prozac in my early 20's and i didn't like how it made me feel, so i stopped taking it. i weened myself off it and i felt like a bag of poo and couldn't think clearly. stopping cold turkey, who knows how i would have felt. yet, i really don't see how it could cause you to plan and murder someone. like i said i couldn't think clearly, no way could i have planned a murder, that's just my opinion.

It effects everyone differently but there is plenty of proof that it can increase suicidal and homicidal tendencies in some teenagers and it can also make them act complusively. People need to understand that this is not some lame excuse to try and get a murderer off, prozac effects the chemical balance in the brain and can indeed make someone do things that they would never do otherwise.

 

[PAXIMUS]

On a 3 day meth binge for someone who wasnt a heavy user you would not only go to school or work but you would likely excell and do better than you normally would.