MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #12

[not_my_kids]

Unless kids are stealing pills (or have some sort of income) I know that PK's etc. are VERY expensive habits in my area. MJ and coke both being more expensive than ecstasy. Meth, LSD and heroin seem to be the cheapest drugs for kids to get there hands on. Again, I'm from the northeast so I'm not sure that it is the same for the midwest.

Personal experience. Midwest ecstasy is OMG expensive.
ETA: And no I don't use anymore. Before that even has a chance...

 

[Prof]

Here's a post from Thread #6 from another poster with "inside" info. Everyone's memory gets confused on this, thinking ILC was the source. This is where we got the impression that the 6yo was sent back up to the house:

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Right, this topic came up yesterday--and my first reaction was to say ILC stated that, but I went back and found that IAH was posting right around the same time as ILC as a local with information -- I posted the link to this post and gave a summary, yesterday

I also looked at some other IAH posts in the same thread and found that this poster had some interesting posts on this case, but ILC was stealing the show lol

 

[PAXIMUS]

This is becoming the new teen sensation I know it is in my area too. I have heard that it is a problem all over the US though. I don't think any place is safe from it anymore, it is easy for kids to get their hands on! They don't have to buy them they just raid mom and dad or grandma and grandpa's medicine. Or they go to their friends house and get them from their parents.

They are now selling lock boxes like hospitals use for personal home use!

The most recent trend are pill parties where a large group of kids get together each bringing whatever pills they can find/steal/buy and they put all the pills that everyone brings in to a large bowl at the center of a table and as the party begins each participant grabs several pills from the bowl randomly and ingests them. This is very popular as I understand it and very dangerous also since they have no idea what pills they are taking and are mixing all sorts of different medications together.

 

[Deleted member 718]

The only crumbs that remain from ILC's posts are those that are quoted by others. I'll try to drop some out here to fill everyone in. The following was possibly his first post -- prior to verification from Tricia:

Originally Posted by Ilovecookies View Post
First, the "half-sister" does not, and never has worked at MODOT.
Second, the grandparents moved here to take care of the kids.
Third, They had no previous ties to Missouri (before moving to Missouri).
Fourth, Elizabeth Olten's mother has gave 3 different stories on what happened to her daughter. 1st she said The 6 y/o picked up elizabeth to go play. 2nd she said the POI picked her to go play. and the 3rd and most recent story is that elizabeth went over to the house unprompted.
MY THEORY is that elizabeth's mother was high on meth (she is known by the community for doing meth, but has never been busted for it), and either someone offered to take the child, and she said "okay", or the child just left.

Fifth, the police are utterly incompetent here, and AB would have easily gotten away if her grandparents wouldn't have been so helpful in the search for E. In fact, it is my opinion that E would still be "missing" if it wasn't for the grandparents help.

Sixth, everyone wants to know the place of birth for the grandparents, and I have no idea why you want to that but let me help out. They were born in different states. Not in texas, missouri, or california.

Seventh, Elizabeth's mom never called nor texted. Let's think about this rationally for a second. IF the rumors are true about how E was killed, and what was done post mortem, then the murder, ensuing acts, plus burial, would take at least an hour. Police arrived on the scene at 7 pm. E's mom said that she called and talked to E at 6:15. Police went immediately into the woods (lets say 7:10pm). Knowing a few police officers in Kansas City, it is a fact that they wouldn't have shown up with their lights on, so alerting the POI with sirens or flashing lights is out of the question. So assuming that AB was out of the woods before the police showed up at 7:00 pm (which is when they showed up and not when they were called), and that they were called at about 6:45 (response time here is awful). Then there is NO way that E's mom called (supposedly she did so from a home phone) and talked to E at 6:15 because E was already dead.

Eighth, I like turtles was an internet meem that started on youtube, and has NO other meaning.

Ninth, I know for a FACT that a bank cannot foreclose on a house until there is a year of nonpayment, that means that even if the grandparents did vacate the house and skip town (which I seriously doubt they did), there wouldn't be a foreclosure for a while. And if they did vacate the house who is feeding the horses that are still there?

Tenth, LawLady I don't know where you work that you have the ability to obtain tax information, and what was going through your mind when you looked up the tax records of the grandparents. But I would like to know if you knew that is illegal.

Eleventh, The boys are nothing like AB, they have friends, and play sports, and are social butterflies.

I thought ILC started posting to correct our misinformation. ILC had to verify he was close enough to AB to know the facts, but didn't want to say just how close he was. So he became a friend of himself. See how he has the eleven points he wants to make? He read through all the treads and most likely took notes to prepare his statement. I found it most odd that he had to smear Elizabeth's mom by saying she was high on meth. What would be the point of that? Then he goes on to say the grandparents were the real heroes, saving the day by being so helpful. Weird slant that I can't understand.

 

[JLMcKenna83]

Unless kids are stealing pills (or have some sort of income) I know that PK's etc. are VERY expensive habits in my area. MJ and coke both being more expensive than ecstasy. Meth, LSD and heroin seem to be the cheapest drugs for kids to get there hands on. Again, I'm from the northeast so I'm not sure that it is the same for the midwest.

Pills are one of the easiest drugs for kids to get their hands on. Everyone knows someone who has them. Parents, Grandparents, Aunts, or Uncles. They don't even care what they're really for.. the way these kids are finding out what drugs do what is scary.. someone is usually a guinea pig, or the side effects and what will happen to you if you take them and don't need them can easily be found anywhere on the internet. A big thing around here are pill parties.. everyone grabs what they can, from wherever they can, then they toss it into a bag or a bowl, and you pick one or two pills out.... It's extremely dangerous, and you never know what your getting.

ETA Paximus, we must of been posting at the same time

 

[LadyBug99]

The most recent trend are pill parties where a large group of kids get together each bringing whatever pills they can find/steal/buy and they put all the pills that everyone brings in to a large bowl at the center of a table and as the party begins each participant grabs several pills from the bowl randomly and ingests them. This is very popular as I understand it and very dangerous also since they have no idea what pills they are taking and are mixing all sorts of different medications together.

WOW! I've never heard of this! That's scary! I thought it was bad when kids took cold medicines to trip. That brings things to a whole new level. I'm in shock!

 

[Prof]

I thought ILC started posting to correct our misinformation. ILC had to verify he was close enough to AB to know the facts, but didn't want to say just how close he was. So he became a friend of himself. See how he has the eleven points he wants to make? He read through all the treads and most likely took notes to prepare his statement. I found it most odd that he had to smear Elizabeth's mom by saying she was high on meth. What would be the point of that? Then he goes on to say the grandparents were the real heroes, saving the day by being so helpful. Weird slant that I can't understand.

Yup, IMO most of his posts had that slant -- -- IMO after that first post, though, he posted before he thought things out

 

[hellinor]

I found it most odd that he had to smear Elizabeth's mom by saying she was high on meth. What would be the point of that?

Yes, to me, the point seems to be to knock the other "side" down (I dont know what term to use here, side isn't really it, maybe ABs camp???) in order to make ABs "side" look better
Also, I think this statement is what is influencing ME at least to feel like meth is what AB and her bf would've been on

 

[mia g]

Just a funny O/T..with all the sleuthing talk..of each other..I sleuthed myself... I AM NOT the mia g that comes up on google..I may need to start checking out my names before I use them..

 

[not_my_kids]

WOW, I just googled me.

And I came up with about 9 hits, all of them outside of WS are not me.
I think one is intentionally not me, made to make people think, as it's on a crime board that I don't visit.

Hmmm.

ETA: well, 8 hits outside of WS. About 6400 from WS

 

[Deleted member 718]

In my area, snorting Adderall, a ADHD medicine, is the new drug to abuse.

"Adderall is a combination of dextroamphetamine and amphetamine that is used to help treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and narcolepsy. It is generally taken orally and stimulates the central nervous system and speeds up the messages going between the brain and the body.

When you snort the medication instead of swallowing it, the strength and potential for problems increases. This is because the drug passes directly into the blood and body tissues instead of first being metabolised.

When coming down you may experience a number of problems such as exhaustion, tension, radical mood swings, depression and even uncontrolled violence.""

Was she coming down off Adderall from her three day drug "spree"?

Hmm, wonder if any of her younger siblings have ADHD?

 

[LadyBug99]

In my area, snorting Adderall, a ADHD medicine, is the new drug to abuse.

"Adderall is a combination of dextroamphetamine and amphetamine that is used to help treat attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and narcolepsy. It is generally taken orally and stimulates the central nervous system and speeds up the messages going between the brain and the body.

When you snort the medication instead of swallowing it, the strength and potential for problems increases. This is because the drug passes directly into the blood and body tissues instead of first being metabolised.

When coming down you may experience a number of problems such as exhaustion, tension, radical mood swings, depression and even uncontrolled violence.""

Was she coming down off Adderall from her three day drug "spree"?

Hmm, wonder if any of her younger siblings have ADHD?

IMO way too many kids are given drugs for ADHD. It seems all rambunctious children are now diagnosed with that. So I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the household had an ADD/ADHD type prescription. I think both ADHD and depression are extremely over-diagnosed. And it probably has NOTHING to do with the kickbacks that doctors receive! LOL!

 

[not_my_kids]

Does anyone have any idea if AB had been diagnosed with any depression or ADD or something where she could have been misusing or trading her own meds for others?

 

[LadyBug99]

Does anyone have any idea if AB had been diagnosed with any depression or ADD or something where she could have been misusing or trading her own meds for others?

She was prescribed prozac for her depression. I also heard "rumors" that she had stop taking her "meds" in the days/weeks before the murder.....

 

[W8nC]

Does anyone have any idea if AB had been diagnosed with any depression or ADD or something where she could have been misusing or trading her own meds for others?

We know she was taking Prozac after the 2007 suicide attempt.

 

[W8nC]

She was prescribed prozac for her depression. I also heard "rumors" that she had stop taking her "meds" in the days/weeks before the murder.....

That one was from me. My nephew told his mom that AB was bragging about that for the last few weeks before this happened.

 

[Dal Gal]

ILC's insights about Wednesday night of EO going missing. I apologize in advance for some of the story being truncated; I could only snip what still existed:

Originally Posted by Ilovecookies
That rumor is blatantly false, and anyone that knows the family would know that. I was told while everything was unfolding aka the night she was reported missing, that they as a family walked to elizabeth's house to offer support, and attempt to comfort the family, apologize, and tell them when they thought elizabeth left. I was also told (by a person that walked with them) that they were met with hostility.
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Originally Posted by Ilovecookies
Well as far as I know, AB's grandparents were not informed that EO was there, and the only reason they would have had at that point to act out is general rudeness of the family (I've experienced it first hand the few time's I've dealt with them). And the fact that their daughter wasn't home safe and the 6 y/o was. At that point no-one suspected anything.
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Ilovecookies
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No, my friend took at his cell phone to record because he said that he thought there was going to be a fight.

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11-02-2009, 04:35 PM
Ilovecookies
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Capri
I'm not getting this at all....Why would he think there would be a fight, if the GP's were just going over to help?

Distraught parents with a missing child last seen at the gparents home. Gparents come over (at that time there were alot of EO's extended family their from what he said), and everyone might think they are being mean by coming over. He just said and i quote "The tension was thick, it didn't seem like much in the video, but I honestly thought I was going to get hit just for showing up."

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Originally Posted by Ilovecookies
AB was in the house. I've said all this before, when asked if she wanted to go I was told she said "No I want to take a shower".
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They went there after LE arrived, and to the best of my knowledge, noone (in AB's house) knew EO was missing until LE arrived.
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Ilovecookies
Banned Join Date: Nov 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Capri
Do we even know for sure that LE questioned her Wed. night?

It is my opinion based on what I've been told that she wasn't questioned until friday morning, and I'd bet my bottom dollar that GM was there and got to hear it all.

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[akashana]

Of course I'm not in MO, but here in LA meth is fairly cheap, coke used to be but not as much now, and one can buy "schwag" mj really cheap, but kind bud whatever name it goes by is pricey. I'd think kids might have more access to meth than coke. I know the MIdwest has been blighted with it over the last decade. I think it's a good guess it was crystal, but MOO.

 

[not_my_kids]

Lovely, she has a defense.
I didn't know about the Prozac. I wish I had. Prolonged use of antidepressants in children AB's age have been shown to cause suicidal tendencies and there is research ongoing into whether it causes homicidal and violent tendencies as well.

If it was the weeks before she killed that she was off it, maybe not.
If it was only days, it was still in her system.

That makes me doubt the ease of this seemingly simple conviction.

 

[akashana]

As long as she can harm no others, I personally don't care whether it's jail or an institution where she lives out her days. But I feel she presents a real danger to other people from what has been leaked thus far.