MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2

[sunshineray]

Dr. Baden believes that the group of friends had ingested a drug that made them fall asleep.

"It may be that all four of them took something that made them pass out. He [Willis] passed out indoors and slept it off," he said.

"They passed out in the cold weather and snow, and within an hour, the body temperature would go down from 98 degrees to 80 degrees and the heart rhythm goes awry, and the person dies of a cardiac arrest. Because of hypothermia."

The Pathologist, who conducted autopsies for numerous well-known cases, including the death of Jeffery Epstein and the murder of George Floyd, said that a toxicology will provide more certainty if the men had ingested an illicit substance in what quantity.

"They may not have known what was in the material they were taking, and they got confused. They passed out," Baden said during the Fox and Friends segment. "One passes out indoors and sleeps it off. All the others are outdoors and die of the cold."

He adds that it's likely that Police in Kansas City already have answers being the mysterious deaths.

"They know the cause of death. They know what the toxicology is by now."

Kansas City Police 'Already Know' How Chiefs Fans Died in Friends Backyard, Forensic Pathologist Suggests

Renowned forensic investigator Dr. Michael Baden says that investigators know more behind the mysterious deaths of three Kansas City Chiefs fans whose bodies were found in the frigid backyard of friend Jordan Willis.

themessenger.com

Idk, to me if they got sleepy, to me that's a process and they would have had time to stumble inside to flop on the furniture or floor before sleep took them. Sounds more like they passed out unconcious, like collapsing out on the cold ground. There seems to have been no thought given to self-preservation. JMO

 

[Waffle]

Please read the post I was replying to

I did, but I can't see what JW has gotten wrong? He said it prevented him seeing calls / messages from numbers not in his contacts, which is possible with that app. Unless you have seen evidence that he doesn't have the app or use it in that way?

 

[Rigatoni999]

source close to JW's fam said JW only has one dog and dog was with dad. i have provided this link 2 or 3 times. idk if source is accurate of course but the news quoted them.

Um, there's a picture of him with his 2 dogs.

 

[sunshineray]

I did, but I can't see what JW has gotten wrong? He said it prevented him seeing calls / messages from numbers not in his contacts, which is possible with that app. Unless you have seen evidence that he doesn't have the app or use it in that way?

I think the poster who answered me was saying the way it actually works is not the way the lawyer was describing it. I just responded that wouldn't surprise me that he got something else wrong, given his track record with flip flopping his "facts". That was the context of my response. I know nothing about those kind of programs/apps, never had call screening, except me, myself and I

 

[SMK777]

 

[sunshineray]

Um, there's a picture of him with his 2 dogs.

I posted that website with the meet the scientist kind of page. It was removed because we can't sleuth him. That's where that picture originated from I think. I believe both dogs are his, that's how it sounded anyways.

 

[SMK777]

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Video says neighbor filmed video looking out window watching woman leave backyard, calling 911 and cops arriving. Neighbor filmed JW being handcuffed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752327280888565906

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

Earlier posts commented on the questionable way the media has published accusations made against JW by the families of the three men.

This video strikes me as being similarly questionable. The male reporter seems to be very accusatory, and he's interviewing neighbours who by their own admission don't know anything, nor do they know JW. Yet they're casting aspersions on his character.

The way the media is handling this case really rubs me the wrong way.

 

[Elley Mae]

One of the Kansas City Chiefs fans found dead in an HIV scientist’s backyard was positioned on a “lawn chair on the back porch” and was not lying flat, one of the victims’ brothers revealed as he slammed cops for failing to provide the grieving families with answers.

Chiefs fan found frozen to death in backyard was discovered in unusual position, victim’s brother says

One of the Chiefs fans found dead in an HIV scientist’s backyard was positioned on a “lawn chair on the back porch” and was not lying flat, one of the victim’s brothers revealed.

nypost.com

 

[sunshineray]

Earlier posts commented on the questionable way the media has published accusations made against JW by the families of the three men.

This video strikes me as being similarly questionable. The male reporter seems to be very accusatory, and he's interviewing neighbours who by their own admission don't know anything, nor do they know JW. Yet they're casting aspersions on his character.

The way the media is handling this case really rubs me the wrong way.

I didn't hear anyone casting aspersions in that video. If there's a sliding glass door from the kitchen to the outside it's a logical assumption that a person in the kitchen would be able to see a dead man, his friend David Harrington, sitting in a chair on the patio right outside. It's also logical to think a person home for 48 hours would at some point be in his kitchen. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

I didn't hear anyone casting aspersions in that video. If there's a sliding glass door from the kitchen to the outside it's a logical assumption that a person in the kitchen would be able to see a dead man, his friend David Harrington, sitting in a chair on the patio right outside. It's also logical to think a person home for 48 hours would at some point be in his kitchen. JMO

From the looks of the house it appears to me that the sliders are on the basement /lower level of the home.

Jmo

Sister had a similar home.

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

I didn't hear anyone casting aspersions in that video. If there's a sliding glass door from the kitchen to the outside it's a logical assumption that a person in the kitchen would be able to see a dead man, his friend David Harrington, sitting in a chair on the patio right outside. It's also logical to think a person home for 48 hours would at some point be in his kitchen. JMO

There are venetian blinds visible in the windows and patio doors in this image posted by @ifindedout. If you don't open or look through the blinds you won't see what's outside.

 

[Vern]

I did, but I can't see what JW has gotten wrong? He said it prevented him seeing calls / messages from numbers not in his contacts, which is possible with that app. Unless you have seen evidence that he doesn't have the app or use it in that way?

It absolutely is possible. I've posted the screenshots in here from my own phone detailing it. Ohhh, and as I work from home, my ringer is always off and I check my phone for missed calls sporadicly as I spend the majority of my day in virtual conferences and meetings.

 

[sunshineray]

From the looks of the house it appears to me that the sliders are on the basement /lower level of the home.

Jmo

Sister had a similar home.

Neighbor in that video said sliding door was in the kitchen area and it looks like there's a window looking out at where the chairs were on the patio also.

 

[Vern]

There are venetian blinds visible in the windows and patio doors in this image posted by @ifindedout. If you don't open or look through the blinds you won't see what's outside.

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I'm curious as to when this photo was taken - where it comes from?

If post-tragedy, I not that there are at least two different types of smokes. Butts on the ground show both white cigarette filters and beige. If post-tragedy that indicates at least two different individuals out on the back deck for a smoke break.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Neighbor in that video said sliding door was in the kitchen area and it looks like there's a window looking out at where the chairs were on the patio also.View attachment 479243View attachment 479244

That sliding glass door is clearly not in the kitchen based on the first photo you posted. And if someone was sitting in a chair on the patio I don't see how they would be visible from the kitchen window that looks into the backyard, especially if it was up close to the house.

 

[Vern]

Neighbor in that video said sliding door was in the kitchen area and it looks like there's a window looking out at where the chairs were on the patio also.View attachment 479243View attachment 479244

Interesting photos in that the top also shows the staircase.

Seems that the sliders is the dining room which is just off the kitchen. On the bottom photo, the small window would be the one in the kitchen based on it's positioning in the top photo. If JW was working from home and had an office set up in a bedroom upstairs, these photos make it seem entirely possible to come up and down the stairs to the kitchen to grab a drink, food etc without seeing what's in your backyard given the height of the kitchen window.

I believe the two larger windows on the left of the bottom photo are possibly the living room, but there is a wall between the kitchen and that area as can be seen in the top photo, so not windows one would see out of while walking up/down the stairs.

 

[branmuffin]

This case has been on my mind for a bit now

Something else I’ve been thinking of, if it’s not fentanyl, is just how drinking and/or doing drugs and cold weather mix and can cause loss of life. Seems to be a correlation between overdose deaths and cold weather, 25% more deaths when it’s cold out. They believe it has something to do with the respiratory system. I also remember being warned all the time when I was a kid about drinking and going out in the cold because your body temp is actually lower even though you feel warm.

I think without any proof stating otherwise, it’s wrong to point fingers at JW. I feel bad for him right now honestly. When I worked from home during covid I wouldn’t leave my house or talk to people for weeks due to my severe depression. I’d sleep a lot and not really pay attention to anything. I don’t know if he has depression, but looking at what he said he did through my personal lens it seems like a very normal couple of days.

Cold weather increases the risk of fatal opioid overdoses, study finds

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weat...s-you-vulnerable-in-cold-weather-2/433881/amp

It also has something to do with being male. I can't tell you how many threads there are on WS where the four main ingredients of a dead or missing male are: alcohol, drugs, weather, water. That's a toxic mix. Always.

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

I'm curious as to when this photo was taken - where it comes from?

If post-tragedy, I not that there are at least two different types of smokes. Butts on the ground show both white cigarette filters and beige. If post-tragedy that indicates at least two different individuals out on the back deck for a smoke break.

I think it originally comes from this article:

Chiefs fan found frozen to death in backyard was discovered in unusual position, victim’s brother says

One of the Chiefs fans found dead in an HIV scientist’s backyard was positioned on a “lawn chair on the back porch” and was not lying flat, one of the victim’s brothers revealed.

nypost.com

The article doesn't specify when the image was taken, but it's labeled as an "LP Media" photo so it makes more sense for it to have been taken by a photojournalist post-tragedy.