MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #2

[Interested_But_Confused]

Very interesting work!
I am not very spatial but I'm having trouble picturing the orientation of the toilet room to the laundry based on the realty company pics and your drawing. Also in the attached toilet room photo I think you can see the door in the mirror. It looks like it opens in and the door by the stairs opens out (based on the hinges. Also if it opened in the side of the door seen in the toilet photo would be brown.) I think the narrow door by the stairs next to the front door could be a coat closet. Those used to be pretty common.

Tastes differ but I can't imagine designing a house with 1) the laundry on the front of the house and 2) a half bath that close to the front door. But that's just taste I guess.

The door next to the stairs isn't the door I think leads to the toilet. The door I think leads to the toilet is the open door in this image. If I'm correct, the toilet is *under* the main stairs:

 

[10ofRods]

I'm blown away by you guys putting together the house in the way you did. It's an unfamiliar lay-out in my world (starting with basements, but including many other elements).

What we don't know is where the Big Screen TV was (or, if like some younger people, there were three TV's in various places - the joy of the KC win that night was huge - I believe it sent them to the playoffs and didn't we read that JW bought all four men tickets to the playoffs?)

They were likely so excited that night.

All JMO.

 

[Ginnybean2001]

Good point.

Graphic post :


Does anyone know if the coroner could determine a time of death based on the temp. of the bodies on the innermost parts like the heart, etc. ?
Omo.

cant find an answer to that, but did find ....if the body feels cold and stiff, death occurred 8 to 36 hours earlier

 

[NCWatcher]

The door next to the stairs isn't the door I think leads to the toilet. The door I think leads to the toilet is the open door in this image. If I'm correct, the toilet is *under* the main stairs:

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Ah, ok. That makes a bit more sense. I still find it odd the windowed laundry is on the front of the house (wonder how the dryer is vented?) but I don't see that size window in any other picture. So could be!

 

[MyBelle]

The door next to the stairs isn't the door I think leads to the toilet. The door I think leads to the toilet is the open door in this image. If I'm correct, the toilet is *under* the main stairs:

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That makes sense because I think the closed door is into the garage because the photo of the garages shows the fireplace chimney right next to them.

 

[Elley Mae]

Ah, ok. That makes a bit more sense. I still find it odd the windowed laundry is on the front of the house (wonder how the dryer is vented?) but I don't see that size window in any other picture. So could be!

The picture of the front door you can see the vent on the wall on the right.
Saw it early and thought it odd.

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

I'm blown away by you guys putting together the house in the way you did. It's an unfamiliar lay-out in my world (starting with basements, but including many other elements).

What we don't know is where the Big Screen TV was (or, if like some younger people, there were three TV's in various places - the joy of the KC win that night was huge - I believe it sent them to the playoffs and didn't we read that JW bought all four men tickets to the playoffs?)

They were likely so excited that night.

All JMO.

Although the layout I drew isn't to scale, what it shows is how separated the back of the house is from the lounge and stairs. If they were partying in the "entertainment" room, but JW spent most of his time in the lounge and upstairs, he wouldn't have seen anything going on back there.

 

[MorningDove]

That makes sense because I think the closed door is into the garage because the photo of the garages shows the fireplace chimney right next to them.

I agree and it appears to have a deadbolt on it and the rug there for coming in from garage makes sense. I believe the basement stairs could be directly across from that door under the stairs that go up.
So the GF possibly came up from basement in that area and directly into the Entertainment room.

 

[NCWatcher]

The picture of the front door you can see the vent on the wall on the right.
Saw it early and thought it odd.

Thanks! I now see it. But still think it's odd!

 

[MyBelle]

I agree and it appears to have a deadbolt on it and the rug there for coming in from garage makes sense. I believe the basement stairs could be directly across from that door under the stairs that go up.
So the GF possibly came up from basement in that area and directly into the Entertainment room.

BBM. That makes perfect sense. Our basement stairs are directly under the stairs to our second floor. I think the 3rd door is into the bathroom and then the laundry room. The door that swings out in the entryway by the front door is a coat closet.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Thanks! I now see it. But still think it's odd!

It's very possible that when that home was built, the laundry was in the basement and that area on the front of the house was part of the garage for lawnmowers, snowblowers, etc. Because of plumbing for the 1/2 bath on the main level, it would be a way to move the laundry to the entertainment room level.

JMO

 

[GeorgiaRai]

A couple thoughts dropped randomly.

1. Both of my adult sons have worked nights their entire adult lives. They work late shifts then play video/online games to unwind, and go to bed in the morning. If I need to reach them, I know to call/text before 7 a.m. or after 2 p.m.! They do the majority of their cooking / eating / dishwashing when it's dark out, and unless something was flashing or banging in their yards, I doubt they'd ever notice. (I'm not nocturnal but I keep my blinds closed 98% of the time - I open them if there's a good rainstorm to watch! - and have little-to-no interest in the goings-on in my neighborhood.)

2. The windows in the KC house are lovely but I can't imagine having them uncovered in the cold winter months. Brrrrr! Surely they have tightly-closing blinds (at least for night time)?! Growing up in Illinois, we had sheers layered under heavy, lined curtains on all windows and the sliding glass door (yes, I'm old!)

 

[al66pine]

A Window Well Visible in Interior Pic?

... usually you can at least see the well where the window is located. I can't see anything. I've looked at every picture I can find and I'm seeing nothing outside the house that even resembles a basement window or a window well...

Pic at https://www.redfin.com/MO/Kansas-City/5208-NW-83rd-Ter-64151/home/106395715
appears imo there may be a window well providing light for the small high basement window.
What I believe is the window well's horizontally corrugated metal is visible next to flag hung on wall.
In looking at pic last week, I thought the window well was on same wall as air cond. unit, which is visible in exterior pix.
Standing on street, looking at house, the wall is on left side of house.

Trying to secure entry by pretzelling myself down thru that window well would not be my first choice. But then again, I have no breaking & entering experience, and my bones are likely a bit creakier than fiancee's. jmo

 

[LadyL]

True.
But I also feel the lawyer he hired, has not represented him very well !
The families are in tremendous pain.
I'll try not to judge them.
Omo.

he's in pain too and doesn't deserve to be treated the way he has been

 

[LadyL]

On January 16, a week after these Kansas City men were found, the bodies of four men were found at a Palmdale CA home - TWO OF THEM IN THE BACKYARD .

Jeffrey Roth, 34, Ronald Roth, 62, Thomas Ramsey, 35, and Paul Harris, 37.

As I've said a million times in my life and I will say a million more, I don't know why some news stories are practically ignored while others catch fire.

I know a little about Websleuths policies, but not enough to know why this site hasn't made a post about the case. Hope it's OK I post this link since it kinda sorta relates?

Four men found dead at Palmdale home ID'd

PALMDALE - Authorities have identified the four men who were found dead at a Palmdale home on Jan. 16.They were Jeffrey Roth, 34, Ronald Roth, 62, Thomas Ramsey, 35, and Paul Harris, 37, according to the Los Angeles County Department of Medical Examiner.The men were discovered around 4:30 p.

theavtimes.com

members post threads
so you are welcome to read up on how and post this case if a search doesn't turn one up

 

[LadyL]

Perhaps I've misunderstood the above post but the link provided for robokiller says the user can block calls from numbers not in the user's address book. So the statement made above that it does not block "normal numbers" or "random numbers" is not necessarily true. The user can set it up to do that in addition to blocking known spam numbers.

It's also the case IF the way the attorney described the way robokiller works is not exactly accurate, it could be HE misunderstood what JW told him, especially if the attorney is unfamiliar with the product. And, in fact, it's possible the attorney not understanding statements made by JW has contributed to some other issues of confusion. Most people expressing an opinion seem to be certain JW has changed his story and maybe he has. But the attorney may not be a good listener or an accurate reporter. Unfortunately some attorneys are not. Regardless, it is the case that robokiller can block unknown numbers NOT previously identified as spam. The robokiller site says it also blocks texts. MOO

also the lawyer has said he's been misquoted by the press

 

[Ginnybean2001]

This image does show what looks like a basement egress window, but what's puzzling me is that I can't see any sign of it on the outside of the house:

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maybe that window is at the side of the house...rather then the front and back, We have 3 basement windows...and all are on the sides of our house

 

[jjleroche]

I'm blown away by you guys putting together the house in the way you did. It's an unfamiliar lay-out in my world (starting with basements, but including many other elements).

What we don't know is where the Big Screen TV was (or, if like some younger people, there were three TV's in various places - the joy of the KC win that night was huge - I believe it sent them to the playoffs and didn't we read that JW bought all four men tickets to the playoffs?)

They were likely so excited that night.

All JMO.

Thanks 10ofRods for providing that context. Living here in Australia, I didn't have a clue that the Chiefs winning that game was an enormously big deal.

Being given tickets to the playoffs by JW would have been the icing on the cake, I imagine.

It's such a very sad situation, to think that amid all the likely excitement, they were just hours away from passing. JMO

 

[Ginnybean2001]

Completely agree, but usually you can at least see the well where the window is located. I can't see anything. I've looked at every picture I can find and I'm seeing nothing outside the house that even resembles a basement window or a window well.

My username is proving accurate again. Très confused!

we live in a four level and have three basement windows...all on the side of our house. Those basement windows are maybe a foot or less in height,,very tiny.....and though they have a lock...those windows do not slide open

 

[branmuffin]

In more recent pictures, posted here recently, there are blinds on all these windows and they appear to be drawn.

No way of knowing if they were always drawn, sometimes drawn, closed or open on January 8-9 or not. However, JW maintains that he did not see his friends in the backyard.

The picture that shows the sunroom/breakfast nook with the cigarette butts on the ground outside has the blinds partially closed and raised up from the floor about two feet. Maybe JW pulls up the blinds so excited dogs don't get entangled in them if they see some critter outside.

Partially closed blinds can have two purposes depending on which way you close them. If you close them so the horizontal slats slant downward toward the window you can see out but someone outside can't see in. The opposite is true if the slats are angled downward toward the home's interior.