MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #3

[sunshineray]

If there’s actual evidence and not just a grieving cousin talking crap, I’d agree with you. Some of the family members just sound like they’re mad that JW didn’t die too. Unless it can be proven that JW drugged them against their will, I don’t think he should be charged for murder/manslaughter. I’m sorry for them and their families. But IMO (and with the facts I’ve read so far) all 4 men made a choice.

I don't think they're mad he didn't die too. If this archival information is accurate, it would sure explain the family and friend's mindset. JMO

 

[Rigatoni999]

BBM. I'm getting very tired of the baseless accusations against JW. We still don't know why JW checked into rehab. I doubt he used drugs and believe he may be what is termed a "functional alcoholic."
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JMO

Baseless? Doubt he used drugs? "The Chemist"? Who didn't come to the door? With 3 dead bodies on his property, friends of his? Who checked into rehab?

 

[Centaurus]

Robbery, jealousy, and vengeance are the three motives responsible for nearly all murders, according to Dr. George Burgeas Magrath

Robbery - money
Jealousy - relationship
Vengeance - revenge

3 guys going to the Super Bowl means that they would have access to
$30k at an minimum > Money

Just trying to establish a motive for 3 guys ending up dead after a football game.....

LE have been quoted numerous times saying this is not a homicide investigation.

 

[Neopetsprincess]

I read this completely differently. If it turns out JW did manufacture drugs, all 4 took them together, 3 of them died quickly, JW was passed out for 2 days still in the house, friends and family are looking for their kin, and he doesn't come to the door until LE arrive, then I completely disagree that JW gets off scott free. He is liable for their deaths, intent or not. He would have concocted felony-posession, highly illegal drugs, they died on his (renter's) property with him still there, etc. I believe there are numerous laws he broke, and LE, grand juries, family of victims will be very interested in seeing this through.

Does Missouri have a grand jury? That’s so interesting. I mean all of this would depend on the statutes in that state/city. In my city we don’t charge for personal possession of drugs anymore. That just wouldn’t be a case here, but they could try to bring a civil suit against him.

 

[Rigatoni999]

LE have been quoted numerous times saying this is not a homicide investigation.

I watched Banfield, an interview with the mother of one victim and an interview with the cousin of one of the victims last night, so not sure who said it, but one of them did: LE is looking into replacing or adding another group of investigators, as the first group did not do things they might should have. Like look into possible crimes committed, collect the backpack of one of the vicims which was left in the house with the victim's wallet, driver's license, cell phone, turn down families' requests to identify the bodies, telling them "they only do that in the movies", etc., etc.

 

[sunshineray]

Does Missouri have a grand jury? That’s so interesting. I mean all of this would depend on the statutes in that state/city. In my city we don’t charge for personal possession of drugs anymore. That just wouldn’t be a case here, but they could try to bring a civil suit against him.

I suppose also though, if a person not only supplied the drugs but manufactured them and in doing so made it, in error, lethal, could that be a charge of manslaughter? Any legal minds follow that can comment?

 

[Neopetsprincess]

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I suppose also though, if a person not only supplied the drugs but manufactured them and in doing so made it, in error, lethal, could that be a charge of manslaughter? Any legal minds follow that can comment?

I’m a law student, but this is just my personal opinion - if they had any evidence he was manufacturing drugs in his home they wouldn’t have ruled out a homicide so soon. Manufacturing drugs would be a crime here, but there’s other factors they would have to prove to make that jump to manslaughter.

 

[sunshineray]

I watched Banfield, an interview with the mother of one victim and an interview with the cousin of one of the victims last night, so not sure who said it, but one of them did: LE is looking into replacing or adding another group of investigators, as the first group did not do things they might should have. Like look into possible crimes committed, collect the backpack of one of the vicims which was left in the house with the victim's wallet, driver's license, cell phone, turn down families' requests to identify the bodies, telling them "they only do that in the movies", etc., etc.

They wouldn't let the families identify the bodies? I bet the new investigators are looking to break open the phones.

Edit by me: Wrong information

 

[sunshineray]

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I’m a law student, but this is just my personal opinion - if they had any evidence he was manufacturing drugs in his home they wouldn’t have ruled out a homicide so soon. Manufacturing drugs would be a crime here, but there’s other factors they would have to prove to make that jump to manslaughter.

There was a long period he was alone in the house before the fiancee broke in. Between when a victim texted someone and the fiancee breaking into the house. And I'm still wondering about if someone came over and picked up his dogs that 5th man says were there that night but JW says were at his father's house.

Kansas City Timeline: Final Hours of 3 Found Dead at Classmate's Home

Friends and family are not happy with what they say is a lack of information and want to know how Jordan Willis could not have seen the bodies in his backyard, and why he has not spoken with them about what happened the night.

www.insideedition.com

 

[NCWatcher]

I read this completely differently. If it turns out JW did manufacture drugs, all 4 took them together, 3 of them died quickly, JW was passed out for 2 days still in the house, friends and family are looking for their kin, and he doesn't come to the door until LE arrive, then I completely disagree that JW gets off scott free. He is liable for their deaths, intent or not. He would have concocted felony-posession, highly illegal drugs, they died on his (renter's) property with him still there, etc. I believe there are numerous laws he broke, and LE, grand juries, family of victims will be very interested in seeing this through.

Liability, if it's there, is not necessarily the same thing as criminal responsibility. Sounds more like a civil suit, an approach at least some family members may already be considering. But if JW did have a drug lab in the house, I'm not sure he would have been so willing to let LE in nor do I think it's likely LE would have overlooked drugs or a lab under those circumstances. I also don't think the announcement it wasn't homicide would have come so soon although I realize LE can make false announcements.

While we do need to know more, I personally don't find the idea credible JW would solve problems for people by creating a special drug to fix the person's particular problem. At least that seems to be the claim the cousin of one of the dead men is making. Apparently according to the cousin, JW even did that in high school. I agree JW is very smart but high school? And the cousin knows JW hasn't stopped making those special drugs even though he moved away and managed to earn science degrees including a Ph.D? Yet after spending over half his life creating and manufacturing drugs he suddenly screws up and creates a "bad batch?" That could happen but it seems unlikely to me. I'm also not sure if he was making up designer drugs, possession of them would be a felony. Might not even be illegal at all. That's the problem with designer drugs.
MOO

 

[Soulmagent]

Or... all four passed out but one was nice and warm inside on the couch, and the other three froze to death out on the patio.

Right ,so maybe when he fell asleep ,the others stole the stash went outside to refresh and as these habbits tend to be hard to regulate , they outdid eachother and themselves?

 

[sunshineray]

Liability, if it's there, is not necessarily the same thing as criminal responsibility. Sounds more like a civil suit, an approach at least some family members may already be considering. But if JW did have a drug lab in the house, I'm not sure he would have been so willing to let LE in nor do I think it's likely LE would have overlooked drugs or a lab under those circumstances. I also don't think the announcement it wasn't homicide would have come so soon although I realize LE can make false announcements.

While we do need to know more, I personally don't find the idea credible JW would solve problems for people by creating a special drug to fix the person's particular problem. At least that seems to be the claim the cousin of one of the dead men is making. Apparently according to the cousin, JW even did that in high school. I agree JW is very smart but high school? And the cousin knows JW hasn't stopped making those special drugs even though he moved away and managed to earn science degrees including a Ph.D? Yet after spending over half his life creating and manufacturing drugs he suddenly screws up and creates a "bad batch?" That could happen but it seems unlikely to me. I'm also not sure if he was making up designer drugs, possession of them would be a felony. Might not even be illegal at all. That's the problem with designer drugs.
MOO

I think he might have meant that in a more generic way as in I'm so tired or I need to relax or I need to concentrate because I have to binge study or I just want a nice buzz. It's totally possible to me, as we had a simular guy in town that homemade/concocted certain things in my youth...going way back. Just my thoughts.

 

[sunshineray]

Right ,so maybe when he fell asleep ,the others stole the stash went outside to refresh and as these habbits tend to be hard to regulate , they outdid eachother and themselves?

Also possible, but Idk if I'd call it stealing to partake in a little more of what was freely shared because one guy fell asleep. JMO

 

[Soulmagent]

Also possible, but Idk if I'd call it stealing to partake in a little more of what was freely shared because one guy fell asleep. JMO

Interesting, However if I agreeed to drive you somewhere and fell asleep ,would you next take my car? Just questions. Purposely because does a gray area make a person a seriously screwed up murderer?

 

[NCWatcher]

I think he might have meant that in a more generic way as in I'm so tired or I need to relax or I need to concentrate because I have to binge study or I just want a nice buzz. It's totally possible to me, as we had a simular guy in town that homemade/concocted certain things in my youth...going way back. Just my thoughts.

That's not the way I heard it but I did have trouble understanding the cousin's speech in general. Not sure why but to my ear he wasn't speaking very clearly.

People who manufacture drugs do sometimes make multiple types of drug at a time although specialization is more common and more profitable. But I'm not sure I buy that JW was doing that in high school. We can't sleuth him but if we could I'm not sure his early history would support that he was a high school chemistry genius.
MOO

 

[IDK]

Pure speculation here— the family of the victims may misunderstand JW’s work and have a deep mistrust of anything related to vaccines?
So they believe his highly successful research is actually “mixing up designer drugs” when in fact he’s creating vaccines against HIV?

 

[SMK777]

 

[MeAndYouOutThere]

not necessarily
him staying in the house or already being passed out may have saved his life

Your guess is as good as mine at this point

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

I apologise if I've missed this detail. Were any of the doors (specifically back doors) locked?

Because I can picture a scenario where the men were so drunk--or drugged--that they were hallucinating, imagining dogs that weren't there or people leaving the house when they hadn't left at all. If JW imagined his friends leaving by the front door and then unwittingly locked the back doors whilst they were still outside...

If the doors were unlocked that idea is obviously wrong, but the hallucinating part of it might still be correct.

 

[303gmf]

It almost seemed like he was slurring his words a bit, or maybe just a lazy tongue?

Looked like a wad of chew in his lower lip affected his speech to me.
A bit puffed out looking below lower lip
Used to know one who liked Copenhagen snuff stuff and it parked right there between spits, ikky