MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #3

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Pretty dumb plan by the cartels, since so many of their "addicted" customers are either dead or didn't know they consumed fentanyl and won't be asking for it in their next drug purchase. If they're cocaine users, they'll want coke (and according to the theory you're stating, they will get fentanyl with their coke, unknown to them).

At what point do these new opiate addicts realize they want fentanyl (cheaper than coke) instead of cocaine? Do they then make separate orders for fentanyl?

One major source of fentanyl in the US is and has been criminal pharmacy owners:


That's just one bust.

Of course most of the pills are coming up from Mexico, but it's my understanding that the cartels specialize in making pills that look like popular medicines like adderal and xanax (both of them sold without prescription by street drug dealers) and these are actually made using fentanyl.


So, the common vector for a fentanyl overdose (given the huge volume of fake Rx pills seized by the DEA and other agencies) is buying fake xanax or fake adderal. Is it possible that the three men in Kansas City thought they were taking something else? Xanax, perhaps, after a long day partying?
Six out of 10 of these fake Rx pills contain a lethal dose of fentanyl according to the DEA. I don't see how killing the end consumer results in more addicts for fentanyl.

I suppose the local dealers must know what they're really selling, if in fact heroin users are switching to fentanyl (disguised as something else when sold). Maybe that's the potential market. Drug dealers aren't known for their honesty and scruples, so I guess some of them off-load their surplus fake pills to unsuspecting people who think they are getting xanax or adderal.

i started this post thinking about cocaine laced with fentanyl. It exists:


It just doesn't make sense to me. Maybe I need to learn to think like a drug addict or a drug dealer. Do people actually know that they've been given coke and fentanyl in one powder? (Like a speedball?) Do they then request that from their dealers? In which case, your cartel theory makes sense - people want both products in one product and must surely be addicted to both?

There must be so many new users over time that the death of a significant fraction doesn't cause a drop in demand. Totally bizarre to think about. So scary.
That stat must represent a significant sample bias- if 6 or 7 out of 10 pills contained a lethal dose as an average most drug buyers would be dead...
 
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That stat must represent a significant sample bias- if 6 or 7 out of 10 pills contained a lethal dose as an average most drug buyers would be dead...

Potentially lethal dose. I assume it would be a person complete unhabituated to opiates. That's why I'm asking or maybe assuming that most people buying fentanyl know they are buying fentanyl and have some former experience with opiates.

From the article I linked (DEA):

More than half of the fentanyl-laced fake prescription pills being trafficked in communities across the country now contain a potentially deadly dose of fentanyl. This marks a dramatic increase – from four out of ten to six out of ten – in the number of pills that can kill,” said Administrator Anne Milgram. “These pills are being mass-produced by the Sinaloa Cartel and the Jalisco Cartel in Mexico. Never take a pill that wasn’t prescribed directly to you. Never take a pill from a friend. Never take a pill bought on social media. Just one pill is dangerous and one pill can kill.

Six out of 10 pills can kill. Interestingly, the pictures they post of xanax are the scored xanax bars - which many people would try to make into four doses, thereby lowering their chances of taking a fatal dose. The adderall isn't scored, though it is a capsule that can be opened and snorted (which is what most illicit adderall users do or so I've been told by LEO's).

Perhaps many of these pill buyers try to stretch the use of their drug over a few doses - although why anyone seeking an adderall high would be okay with the fentanyl effect, I do not know. This is the part that really puzzles me.
 
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I'm trying to piece together April's break in. I'm assuming she broke in this window from the basement. I've looked at photos of the house and couldn't locate this window. I'm assuming it's located behind the halfwall on the left hand side of the house.

I'm also assuming the door to the right of the stairs leads to the basement since there is a coat closet right next to that door.

So she would have had to go up the stairs, through the hallway and go either through the kitchen to the dining area OR through the front living room and into the dining room where she would have had a full view of the patio.

That's a lot of house she covered in that break in for JW to not hear, yet be awake enough to hear police shortly thereafter.

I'm not sure what I'm trying to get at expect trying make sense of Aprils actions which seem to be glossed over.

Here is a link to photos of the house:


https://www.apartments.com/5208-nw-83rd-ter-kansas-city-mo/h1qf8m2/

5208 NW 83rd Ter, Kansas City, MO 64151 - MLS #2302138 | BEX Realty
I don't believe any of these friends intentionally meant to harm one another. I think someone got ahold of some laced coke or something. A tragedy still, but not murder IMO. Plus, love your pupper. :)

JMO
 
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Oh good grief!
Unless JW was a sociopath or psychotic, there would have to be something for him to gain by intentionally killing his friends.
Usually crimes are committed for money, power or love. Or furious jealousy.

I do believe JW was on drugs and may have been the provider, but I personally, my own opinion, cannot see what he would have gained by intentionally killing his three buddies.
And we still don’t know if the provider was JW, Weamer-Lee, or purchased and brought by one of the three who died.

JMO
 
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A lethal dose of fentanyl (2 mg) and penny.
 
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I guess I can kind of understand why family members are grasping at whatever straws they can find to blame JW, even though 100,000 families experience the same grief every year. What I don’t understand is why some of these news organizations feed into this kind of stuff.

They report on fentanyl overdoses every day. They know how common it is. Why run with crazy conspiracy theories?
 
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Oh good grief!
As Emily Saul said succinctly in her footage in The Vow Season Two, "We're known for our headlines."

There's nothing in the article that hasn't been in other articles so far, so you can skip it. It's literal clickbait.

MOO
 
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I guess I can kind of understand why family members are grasping at whatever straws they can find to blame JW, even though 100,000 families experience the same grief every year. What I don’t understand is why some of these news organizations feed into this kind of stuff.

They report on fentanyl overdoses every day. They know how common it is. Why run with crazy conspiracy theories?
As we see on Websleuths, there is a market when other info runs out.
 
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As we see on Websleuths, there is a market when other info runs out.
They can’t let go of the tabloid sensationalism I guess.

Way too many news outlets indulged the whole, “JW murdered them because they saw something they shouldn’t have” claim.

I suppose some people considered 3 deaths suspect if they haven’t been paying attention to the opioid epidemic. News outlets don’t have that excuse.

Once the toxicology report came back though, common sense should have kicked in.
 
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Jim McGeeney said that Willis moved out of the rental, which is reportedly owned by his parents, the day after the bodies were found. His beloved rescue pit bulls, Daisy and Sadie, may have been with his parents all the time.

Is this article saying that the house JW lived in is owned by JW's parents?
ETA: I wonder if it's his childhood home.
I feel badly for all of the family members, as well as JW's parents having to process everything that's happened. This could happen to anyone. MOO.
 
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Jim McGeeney said that Willis moved out of the rental, which is reportedly owned by his parents, the day after the bodies were found. His beloved rescue pit bulls, Daisy and Sadie, may have been with his parents all the time.

Is this article saying that the house JW lived in is owned by JW's parents?
Yes, didn’t know that.
 
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They can’t let go of the tabloid sensationalism I guess.

Way too many news outlets indulged the whole, “JW murdered them because they saw something they shouldn’t have” claim.

I suppose some people considered 3 deaths suspect if they haven’t been paying attention to the opioid epidemic. News outlets don’t have that excuse.

Once the toxicology report came back though, common sense should have kicked in.
Agreed
 
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I guess I can kind of understand why family members are grasping at whatever straws they can find to blame JW, even though 100,000 families experience the same grief every year. What I don’t understand is why some of these news organizations feed into this kind of stuff.

They report on fentanyl overdoses every day. They know how common it is. Why run with crazy conspiracy theories?
Money money money. Both the families and the media. Families have had collection fundraising set up and have done quite well although I think it will start to dry up now that people know it was the deceased own poor decisions that caused their demise. The media makes money by eyeballs so need the drama and sensation.
 
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60 beers between 5 people is 12 each. The game started at 3:25, and they were supposedly still alive at midnight. That's nearly 9 hours. If someone drinks even somewhat regularly, they aren't likely showing signs of intoxication from 1.3 beers and hour.
I thought the 3 arrived at JW’s after the game. And then the 4th person a bit later.
 
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Families have had collection fundraising set up and have done quite well although I think it will start to dry up now that people know it was the deceased own poor decisions that caused their demise.
Snipped for emphasis.
Yes, I’m thinking of the GoFundMe put up for the 3 daughters of the single dad. There’s got to be some disappointment or anger over a parent willfully taking such a risk. It’s still tragic, but there is responsibility factoring in as well.
 
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There’s got to be some disappointment or anger over a parent willfully taking such a risk. It’s still tragic, but there is responsibility factoring in as well.
Willful or ignorant? That's my question. I think some people must not read or watch the news, or perhaps in this case the peer pressure effect - don't bring down the party, dude, don't be a spoil sport...

JMO
 
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