MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #4

[rleigh123]

[...]Re "Their strategy has been effective." Is this referring to strategy of loved ones of the deceased? If so, repectfully, as @iridized posted - "We have no idea what the police were doing in regards to this."
LE may have left the starting gate at full speed as early as Tues. night the moment the bodies were found. Not saying they did, but possible.

If LE and/or Prosecutor state - strategy was effective - then I'll accept that stmt as a fact.

BTW, if it were my loved ones, I would want a full investigation too.

B&I by me.


I have exactly zero percent trust in LE in this case ever since the very early and ignorant statement by the Chief that it was "100% not being investigated as a homicide."

Shades of Northport FL LE.

(Please note, I'm not saying it's homicide. But it's wrong for any LE agency to approach a situation such as that one with that proclamation and belief. There hadn't even been tox results. Let's say it's F poisoning, and they trace it back, or it becomes part of a larger investigation. This could possibly result in a manslaughter trial, or even murder. And they had already decided that early on that JW was completely innocent?)

 

[rleigh123]

Oh they started the fundraising within days. Not for any benefit to the community but to pay for funerals and to support the children and families left behind.

I've been thinking of reasons as to why LE would say almost immediately that there was no crime committed. Reasons could be many, perhaps a pill bottle, baggie, or other was found under a body or in the pockets of one of the deceased and fingerprints were run on the item with only the deceased fingerprints being present.

My comment didn't have anything to do with that type of fundraising. I had attached the comment I was responding to - it was to the person who said they would feel better about families pushing to find out what happened if the families were fundraising for community drug prevention (or law change or some such.)

 

[mst]

“After the shocking loss of three of his close friends under extremely tragic circumstances, Jordan recognized that he had a problem with addiction,” the source said, without elaborating on the exact nature.

Did suburban Walter White poison his friends? Unraveling mystery of Kansas City Chiefs fans’ frozen fentanyl deaths

Did a brilliant HIV scientist really sleep for 48 hours as his friends overdosed and froze to death?

nypost.com

This makes me think that he definitely was more then a casual user and likely had some tolerance to fentanyl.

 

[LadyL]

I've overdosed more times than I can actually count.. I've woken up to IV's in my arms and EKG machines surrounded by paramedics. I turned my life around at 25 but I can say with 100% confidence that 48 straight hours of sleep is practically impossible JMO. (former addict).

13-16 hours of sleep after a long binge seems about right. However going into REM sleep for 48+ hours just "sounds nice".. If you throw in Fentanyl+Cocaine I can't see anyone sleeping 48hrs without dying from the effects. The deceased were given a lethal level of drugs, and the others apparently did not. Didn't two of them drive home?? This story is fascinating because there are 3 dead bodies in a guy's backyard and he couldn't answer a phone call, broken window, text message and facebook messages; BUT he answers the door for LE almost naked drinking wine. IF he was asleep for 48hrs I can't imagine someone waking up from a near death overdose with a wine glass in his underwear.

A lot of people said he might have heard the sirens, or aggressive LE knocks-- if he did, why would he answer half naked drinking a glass of wine??? I'm pretty sure anything said to LE (drunk) isn't admissible. Did JW intentionally go to the LE station knowing damn well anything he said under the influence can't be used against him?

because when cops are pounding on your door urgently, lots of people would answer as quickly as they can, regardless of what they're wearing or holding IMO been there done that can attest to it

and nowhere does it say there was wine in his glass but either way, I can see why he didn't put it down if he answered urgently and wasn't thinking about what was in his hand or if he was still under the influence, he might not have noticed

nothing has been released about two people driving home

I'm also looking for information about how she got in - I can't find anything that says she broke a window - do you have that source handy?

 

[MyBelle]

“After the shocking loss of three of his close friends under extremely tragic circumstances, Jordan recognized that he had a problem with addiction,” the source said, without elaborating on the exact nature.

Did suburban Walter White poison his friends? Unraveling mystery of Kansas City Chiefs fans’ frozen fentanyl deaths

Did a brilliant HIV scientist really sleep for 48 hours as his friends overdosed and froze to death?

nypost.com

This makes me think that he definitely was more then a casual user and likely had some tolerance to fentanyl.

Even if JW was more than "a casual user" of alcohol or weed, so far, we've seen no evidence JW was a casual user of any Illegal drugs such as cocaine and fentanyl.

JMO

 

[LadyL]

Lol, I can relate 100%. However, we didn't have our 3 friends dead bodies (and their vehicles parked) in our backyard's/front yards. We also didn't have LE and families of our friends blowing up every electronic device and breaking windows etc..

I'm guessing you also didn't have a fan on with earbuds in possibly sleeping upstairs
there's no evidence that LE 'blew up' any electronic device and there hasn't been more than one electronic device mentioned
the vehicles were parked on the street, not a front or back yard

 

[branmuffin]

“After the shocking loss of three of his close friends under extremely tragic circumstances, Jordan recognized that he had a problem with addiction,” the source said, without elaborating on the exact nature.

Did suburban Walter White poison his friends? Unraveling mystery of Kansas City Chiefs fans’ frozen fentanyl deaths

Did a brilliant HIV scientist really sleep for 48 hours as his friends overdosed and froze to death?

nypost.com

This makes me think that he definitely was more then a casual user and likely had some tolerance to fentanyl.

So much of that article is wrong. It's just sloppy journalism. AM didn't "pound fruitlessly" on the door for 10 minutes. No body has actually stated JW was sleeping for 48 hours, it's a timeline that's been bastardized by foggy memories, changing narrative and suspicious survivors. And when this type of tabloid journalism want to push a narrative they ask questions, a sneaky way to get around a defamation charge. They blur the image of the 5th attendee AWL but spread JW's image all over the place. Of the two survivors, AWLs admitted attendance that fateful night but days later and only after hiring a criminal attorney. Yet no one brings him up. To me it seems like the familiar have circled the wagons to keep the focus on JW, instead of the deceased and AWL.

 

[December]

The wine glass... I have read (in these threads) that it was empty and I have read it contained water. "Empty" was the first version that I saw.

ETA: i think the families were able to talk to AWL during the time they tried to find their loved ones.

 

[LadyL]

So much of that article is wrong. It's just sloppy journalism. AM didn't "pound fruitlessly" on the door for 10 minutes. No body has actually stated JW was sleeping for 48 hours, it's a timeline that's been bastardized by foggy memories, changing narrative and suspicious survivors. And when this type of tabloid journalism want to push a narrative they ask questions, a sneaky way to get around a defamation charge. They blur the image of the 5th attendee AWL but spread JW's image all over the place. Of the two survivors, AWLs admitted attendance that fateful night but days later and only after hiring a criminal attorney. Yet no one brings him up. To me it seems like the familiar have circled the wagons to keep the focus on JW, instead of the deceased and AWL.

I usually just ignore that source.

 

[al66pine]

LE & Public Statements.

B&I by me.
I have exactly zero percent trust in LE in this case ever since the very early and ignorant statement by the Chief that it was "100% not being investigated as a homicide."....

snipped for focus @rleigh123
Cannot disagree that some ppl may see the Chief's stmt as ignorant.
Seems silence on his part may have been a better stance at that point.
^imo^

However, generally speaking, in circumstances like this, LE may convey non-factual info to the public. And seems they may have. IDK.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Tony Kagay, the attorney for the family of McGeeney, says the toxicology report is “just the first step” in finding out what happened to the three men. Kagay prefaced his comments by saying he has not personally seen the report, which police have not officially released.

Kansas City Chiefs fan deaths: Case ‘ongoing death investigation’

The probe into the deaths of three Kansas City Chiefs fans discovered in their friend’s backyard “remains an ongoing death investigation.”

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[branmuffin]

Interesting article from the NYT regarding the construction company and overdose deaths.

Construction Industry Grapples With Its Top Killer: Drug Overdose

Construction workers are more likely to die of overdose than workers in any other occupation, forcing the industry to rethink its approach to safety.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Cedars]

I've been thinking of reasons as to why LE would say almost immediately that there was no crime committed. Reasons could be many, perhaps a pill bottle, baggie, or other was found under a body or in the pockets of one of the deceased and fingerprints were run on the item with only the deceased fingerprints being present.

I'm not sure what 'immediately' means in this context.

Presumably it means after the remains had been taken to the medical examiner for autopsy? That will happen within 24 hours, IMO.

IMO, LE don't draw conclusions prior to a physical autopsy.

IMO, the remains were well 'preserved' by the cold, so an autopsy would show:
- the individuals had died in the positions where they were found (issues of how fluid pools after death)
-there were no bruises, wounds, or marks of violence on the bodies
- there were physical signs of a potential drug overdose, mainly pulmonary and/or cerebral edema (water in the lungs or brain).
"Pulmonary edema was present in 96% of those who died of fentanyl alone and in 94% of those who died of opioids excluding fentanyl."

http://tinyurl.com/OpioidOverdoses

- there was no other cause of death visible from, eg, heart attack, stroke, etc.

People die of opioid overdose because they suffocate. It doesn't directly cause the heart to stop.

Then too, an experienced police officer has seen many crime scenes, and many overdose death scenes, and they know the difference. They're not like us amateurs, relying on media accounts, vivid imaginations, and more experience with fictional than with real cases.

JMO

 

[Cedars]

B&I by me.


I have exactly zero percent trust in LE in this case ever since the very early and ignorant statement by the Chief that it was "100% not being investigated as a homicide."

Shades of Northport FL LE.

(Please note, I'm not saying it's homicide. But it's wrong for any LE agency to approach a situation such as that one with that proclamation and belief. There hadn't even been tox results. Let's say it's F poisoning, and they trace it back, or it becomes part of a larger investigation. This could possibly result in a manslaughter trial, or even murder. And they had already decided that early on that JW was completely innocent?)

He was just stating the fact that the case had not been turned over to the homicide division, and they weren't involved at all.

Also, IMO, he was stating that fact to reassure ordinary people that this wasn't some kind of massacre on a quiet suburban street in KC.

IMO, he wasn't speaking to the true crime community.

And obviously, if things change, the strategy could change. He was speaking in the present tense, not in the future tense.

IMO, this story will disappoint a lot of true crime fans who were hoping for a juicy case.

JMO

 

[PrairieWind]

He was just stating the fact that the case had not been turned over to the homicide division, and they weren't involved at all.

Also, IMO, he was stating that fact to reassure ordinary people that this wasn't some kind of massacre on a quiet suburban street in KC.

IMO, he wasn't speaking to the true crime community.

And obviously, if things change, the strategy could change. He was speaking in the present tense, not in the future tense.

IMO, this story will disappoint a lot of true crime fans who were hoping for a juicy case.

JMO

I think might be a situation where the Chief just felt compelled to say something and did without being careful about his words. He should have said very little. I think this is going to be a homicide investigation of some sort.

Is it a "juicy" case? I'm not sure what that means. I think it may well be a very very important case that needs to stay in the news. Fentanyl is killing a staggering amount of people that don't need to die.

 

[December]

Good point that at first the police need to reassure people in the neighborhood that they themselves didn't have to worry (due to what happened here) for their own safety because I can see that, without context, a person might think it had been a home invasion. I guess they were saying that the house looked pretty normal (not ransacked).

 

[Cedars]

Is it a "juicy" case? I'm not sure what that means.

I was referring to it in the sense of true crime: no matter how often you squeeze, new details come out, lots of unanswered questions but leaks and rumours to speculate about , highly detailed to occupy interesting podcasts and videos etc.

I think it may well be a very very important case that needs to stay in the news. Fentanyl is killing a staggering amount of people that don't need to die.

I agree, fenty apparently killed 112,000, just last year in the US.

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/28/1220881380/overdose-fentanyl-drugs-addiction#:~:text=In%202023%20the%20overdose%20death,for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention.

Very few of those deaths has resulted in homocide charges of any kind.

Here's one recent case

2 suspected fentanyl dealers charged with murder after fatal overdose

Two people have been charged with murder for allegedly dealing the fentanyl that killed a 35-year-old man.

www.cbsnews.com

Here's another one Family Speaks Out About Dangers of Fentanyl Following Murder Charge

It's good to see, but not exactly being played in the news media as true crime.

ETA, if an investigation is done to track down the source of the drugs, that will likely be officers who work drug enforcement, rather than homicide.

JMO

 

[December]

I was just thinking, very likely JW was doing a quiet activity (sleeping, using his computer, reading...for example) before the police arrived. Presumably he had his ear buds in because he didn't hear AM calling his name.

So, the police arrive and tell him there are deceased people on his (rented) property. He might have wanted to be in the police car (to be clear, he wasn't arrested). Because, if he didn't know what was going on, how would he know he wasn't in danger? It's his house. He might have been, in that moment, understandably concerned and not wanting to be in that place.

This would be a motivation to want police to search it, to make sure no one is lurking about in there. No one really knew exactly what was going on at first except AM was missing her fiance and his friends, and she had found one of them dead plus their cars were outside. That's the most anyone knew. She didn't have any idea what was going on in the house either except the places she had searched. So, afawk, a person who had only been in the house for a few minutes had the most information in those early minutes when the police first arrived.

 

[10ofRods]

B&I by me.


I have exactly zero percent trust in LE in this case ever since the very early and ignorant statement by the Chief that it was "100% not being investigated as a homicide."

Shades of Northport FL LE.

(Please note, I'm not saying it's homicide. But it's wrong for any LE agency to approach a situation such as that one with that proclamation and belief. There hadn't even been tox results. Let's say it's F poisoning, and they trace it back, or it becomes part of a larger investigation. This could possibly result in a manslaughter trial, or even murder. And they had already decided that early on that JW was completely innocent?)

Disagree. There was no "proclamation." Investigations always proceed from "belief." What else would they proceed from?

How do you know they didn't have immediate, preliminary tox results? In a place where Fentanyl deaths were 850 in one year, the year or two before, of course they have tox results. LE has to have testing or they'd be subject to some deadly effects themselves.

"Possible" is not the domain of LE. They did not "decide." They know they are part of a system - where the decisions lie elsewhere (the Judicial process of making an arrest).

"No signs of homicide" has a meaning in LE (nation-wide). It's not a random use of words.

Saying something is wrong for all LE agencies, when there are widespread protocols, is really odd, to me.

 

[MyBelle]

I was referring to it in the sense of true crime: no matter how often you squeeze, new details come out, lots of unanswered questions but leaks and rumours to speculate about , highly detailed to occupy interesting podcasts and videos etc.


I agree, fenty apparently killed 112,000, just last year in the US.

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/28/1220881380/overdose-fentanyl-drugs-addiction#:~:text=In%202023%20the%20overdose%20death,for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention.

Very few of those deaths has resulted in homocide charges of any kind.

Here's one recent case

2 suspected fentanyl dealers charged with murder after fatal overdose

Two people have been charged with murder for allegedly dealing the fentanyl that killed a 35-year-old man.

www.cbsnews.com

Here's another one Family Speaks Out About Dangers of Fentanyl Following Murder Charge

It's good to see, but not exactly being played in the news media as true crime.

ETA, if an investigation is done to track down the source of the drugs, that will likely be officers who work drug enforcement, rather than homicide.

JMO

BBM. Kansas City does have such a drug task force and works with the DEA.

JMO

Kansas City 'BEST' task force

www.ice.gov