MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #4

[NCWatcher]

IMO - I think he took the saying ‘ignorance is bliss’ literally & ran with it. What else could he do unless he admitted that they were all taking drugs & I somehow doubt that he offered this information to the police - As far as I’ve read, he told police that he ‘thought’ all 3 x men had simply frozen to death in his backyard!

I don't believe that's what he is reported to have said. Do you have a link? All I can find are denials that he ever said that. And I don't recall LE ever saying he said that.
MOO

HIV scientist whose Kansas City Chiefs fans friends died goes to rehab

David Harrington, 37, Ricky Johnson, 38, and Clayton McGeeney, 36, were found dead in Jordan Willis' backyard in Kansas City, Missouri, on January 9. Willis vanished days later.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

This probably isn't what happened, but here's a thought: what if JW had no idea his friends were in the back garden, nor that people were trying to contact him. What if *JW* called the police to report the hammering on the door and the break-in, and was therefore expecting LE to turn up. What if he had no idea the bodies had been found, nor that the police had been called a second time by Clayton's girlfriend.

It's possible that only JW and LE would know he had already called them. The relatives of the three men wouldn't know that if nobody told them.

 

[Charlot123]

I don't know why I keep writing KS, i know this case is in Missouri and i know "city" isn't spelled with an "s".

Just for my own interest, I always assumed that KC was both in MO and KS, so one either has to look up what part of the city it is, or just use whatever state comes to mind, and it won’t be a mistake. Am I wrong?

 

[girlhasnoname]

It makes no sense at all to me why you would leave your 3 friends dead in the back yard For days. What possible advantage would that give JW? Especially compared to loading them up in one of the cars and taking it all to a remote area and abandoning them there to make it look like they had left to do drugs and died on the scene?

MOO

Agree, I don't think JW alone could not have moved 3 dead bodies (weight wise dead people are harder to move and these weren't small, frail men) outside by himself and propped one up in a chair. To me that makes no sense at all.

Maybe he ingested a smaller dose of fentanyl and was knocked out for 2 days, but survived because he stayed inside and did not freeze to death. Maybe JW didn't ingest any of the fentanyl laced drugs? IDK

I understand the poor families anger and hurt who lost a loved one, but I just don't think we know enough details yet to make it completely nefarious on JW's part.

He will live with the repercussions of this every day of live going forward regardless of whether it was accidental overdose that he knew nothing about or not. All of the individuals at the party made choices, these are grown men. Sometimes wrong decisions, especially involving drugs, often lead to fatal consequences.

I sincerely wish all the families peace and comfort during these horrendous times and hope they get the answers they need and deserve.

MOO

 

[Interested_But_Confused]

Livor mortis is one of the first things a knowledgeable police officer or trained pathologist would notice.

IMO, if there was even the slightest chance the three men had been moved after death, LE would never have said it wasn't a homicide investigation. I don't think there's any question whatsoever that they died where and in the exact same position they were found.

 

[Pyrite]

Where has it been proven as fact that JW knowingly left those three men dead in the backyard, or even that he knew that they were there? Speculation has been all over the place since this story broke, and not much has been proven as fact, except that these men had cocaine and lethal levels of fent in their systems, along with some weed and alcohol. Fent acts fast, will put you on your heinie and knock you out for some time, if not kill you. It is entirely possible that JW was out cold for all of that time due to the same drugs that his friends did, but he was inside and that may have saved him. Folks seem to want JW to be the person responsible for all of this, for whatever reason, when in reality he might just be the lucky one who survived that night.
IMO.

Just to be clear, IMO JW did not know his friends were dead in the backyard. Unless someone can come up with a believable reason for JW to leaves his friend dead in the backyard for 2 days, I can not believe he knew they were there.

 

[Leilei]

Just to be clear, IMO JW did not know his friends were dead in the backyard. Unless someone can come up with a believable reason for JW to leaves his friend dead in the backyard for 2 days, I can not believe he knew they were there.

I feel the same way.

 

[Howl]

I don't think there's any question whatsoever that they died where and in the exact same position they were found.

MOO: Yup!

Just to be clear, IMO JW did not know his friends were dead in the backyard. Unless someone can come up with a believable reason for JW to leaves his friend dead in the backyard for 2 days, I can not believe he knew they were there.

MOO: Double yup!

The following is speculation based on MOO:

A possible scenario for why the 3 friends went outside: JW is a successful scientist who is OK with alcohol consumption in his home (LEGAL!), but (let's say) draws a hard line -- no illegal drug use allowed inside his home because that could end his professional career. Perhaps the guys went outside because whatever they were consuming and/or the way they were consuming it was not allowed by JW inside his home...and were taken down by fentanyl poisoning.

I'm not without deep compassion for those struggling with devastating grief of this loss - widows, fatherless children, devastated parents, anguished friends. Crack cocaine epidemic, then meth, now fentanyl...so many lives destroyed.

 

[housewife]

IMO - Common sense, unless you believe 5 x separate men all bought their own drugs to the party?

Ah. We go to different parties, then.
My husband enjoys certain microbrews that his friends don't, so he will BYOB. Same with our friends who drink bourbon or whisky, they'll bring their own fancy bottles to our house because we don't have that on hand. I'm not investing in an expensive bottle because an occasional guest might like it.
People bring their own weed/vapes/cigarettes if they want to smoke.

Coke is expensive. And it's more stigmatized than weed. JMO I think the guests brought it to use themselves and only imbibed out of sight of JW, because he doesn't do coke.

 

[Cedars]

Where has it been proven as fact that JW knowingly left those three men dead in the backyard, or even that he knew that they were there? Speculation has been all over the place since this story broke, and not much has been proven as fact, except that these men had cocaine and lethal levels of fent in their systems, along with some weed and alcohol. Fent acts fast, will put you on your heinie and knock you out for some time, if not kill you. It is entirely possible that JW was out cold for all of that time due to the same drugs that his friends did, but he was inside and that may have saved him. Folks seem to want JW to be the person responsible for all of this, for whatever reason, when in reality he might just be the lucky one who survived that night.
IMO.

Your post reminded me of a place I used to work, where university math students and professors would have seminars. I could recognize them because some of them would walk around buried deep in thought, oblivious to the scenery, and to the other people around them. They were quite comical in trying to get coffee out of an empty coffee pot, or trying to use a photocopier, they were just lost in their own world.

Actually, many people are like this: I'd say to one roommate 'I wish that truck would move from across the street, it's blocking the road, and making so much noise' and she'd say 'what truck?'.

Or I'd be someplace with a friend and say 'Kittens!' and she'd be 'where?' when they were 3 feet in front of us (my cat radar is particularly finely attuned).

I think people are just different. We don't expect people to be outside our home, dead, so some may not anxiously scan out the window, wondering about whose vehicle is parked there, or going into the backyard, looking in case there are bodies.

JMO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

I don't know why I keep writing KS, i know this case is in Missouri and i know "city" isn't spelled with an "s".

I keep doing the same. If you figure out why, lmk. lol

 

[December]

Livor mortis is one of the first things a knowledgeable police officer or trained pathologist would notice.

IMO, if there was even the slightest chance the three men had been moved after death, LE would never have said it wasn't a homicide investigation. I don't think there's any question whatsoever that they died where and in the exact same position they were found.

Yes, i think IF they were ever moved it was very early or only very slightly. However, i am not making an argument that they were moved. I just think that's all that would have been possible without showing up as "these guys were definitely moved". The window of time is only 20-30 minutes.

so, imagine what is possible within that time frame. These guys were not petite flowers. They were, as far as we know, all wearing winter clothes except one didn't have his coat. Men's clothes aren't light.

 

[December]

I keep doing the same. If you figure out why, lmk. lol

I'm glad it's not just me. I mean, i cannot explain it.

 

[December]

Just to be clear, IMO JW did not know his friends were dead in the backyard. Unless someone can come up with a believable reason for JW to leaves his friend dead in the backyard for 2 days, I can not believe he knew they were there.

We don't know what he knew or didn't know, or what his state of mind was. As in, he might not have been okay. He is in rehab right now.

However, i kind of think if he knew, the most likely thing he would do would be to call the police. Because there's no getting away from this situation. Most people, i think, would call the police. Since he's smart, he might call a lawyer first. But, ultimately, that would have probably been the best move in this extremely bad situation.

I just think the idea that he could get them into a car, get them to another location, and let everyone think they died there is literally impossible. He is smart enough to know that is impossible. Plus, doing that is a crime. So, whatever else, he wouldn't have tried that.

Just as he is smart enough to know that running away only makes people look guilty. And one would have to go somewhere with no extradition treaty with the U.S., but that only protects one from LE, so... This is why he would not do that.

This is just refuting "well why didn't he" speculation that is in this thread. That's all.

Jmo

 

[al66pine]

Kansas City, KS. Kansas City, MO.

I don't know why I keep writing KS, i know this case is in Missouri and i know "city" isn't spelled with an "s".

Just for my own interest, I always assumed that KC was both in MO and KS, so one either has to look up what part of the city it is, or just use whatever state comes to mind, and it won’t be a mistake. Am I wrong?

@December @Charlot123
And @GoBuckeyes
Confusion about KC is perfectly understandable. There's KC KS. Across the state line is KC MO.* Two separate cities in two different states.

Potentially adding to confusion in crim cases: (the city of) Kansas City, MO. lies in four different counties.
Altho most of KC MO lies in Jackson County MO, portions of city of KC MO spill into Clay, Platte, and Cass counties.

Members of KC MO (city) Police Dept.** responded to the call at JW's house and made stmts to the public, but the Platte County (not Jackson County) Prosecutor*** has been in contact w victims' families

And possible prosecution?
Platte County Prosecutor MAY prosecute crim charges, if any, stemming from these events. Waaay too early to predict what or when imo.
OTOH, the prosecutor of one of the other counties MAY prosecute other related offenses, if any ( e.g., sales, distribution, or possession of illegal drugs), which may have occurred in OTHER parts of KC MO. Again, too early.
ETA: Of course, assuming there were illegal drug sales, distribution, or possession of the drugs detected in the bodies of the deceased, those acts may not have occurred in KC MO. Coulda been in another county or across the state line in KS, or who knows where.
imo
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* "Kansas City, Missouri (KC or KCMO) is the largest city in the U.S. state of Missouri by population and area. Most of the city lies within Jackson County, with portions spilling into Clay, Platte, and Cass counties. It is the central city of the Kansas City metropolitan area, which straddles the Missouri–Kansas state line and has a population of 2,392,035."

Kansas City, Missouri - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

** Home | Kansas City, Missouri Police Department
*** Prosecutor — Platte County

 

[branmuffin]

Everyone freaked out because we were initially supposed to believe they had some beers then could not figure out how to get out of a backyard and thus, froze to death. Meanwhile, the police seemed to be saying "nothing to see here".

On the first thread there are people wondering if maybe they were locked out of the house due to automatic locks, and I remember saying that they worked in construction; they would have climbed out. Even back then, we suspected there had to be a good reason they didn't do something to save themselves from freezing.

Jmo, i know official reports aren't back yet... But it looks like they didn't get out of the backyard because they were deceased. That puts things in a different light.

I know that the unusual circumstances of this case made it difficult to know maybe the sequence of events (which may yet be unknown), but the way this case was communicated to the public caused a lot of speculation that might not have occurred otherwise.

Plus, their families were pretty upset (understandably), and yes they wanted answers. Saying immediately that it's not a homicide is not really an answer. Because it immediately leads to the question "well, what is it then"?

I am not making the case for it to be any particular thing. But, I like reassurances that it is being looked into thoroughly. They might learn something here that will save someone else's life.

I have a theory about what happened here. I think certain aspects of the night that have been hypothesized here are correct: that the group, including AWL and possibly JW, all consumed alcohol and a combination of drugs, including cocaine, weed, etc. Everyone was inebriated and smoking weed and snorting coke. They'd been at JWs house for hours and hours, at least since 7pm.

There's a discrepancy over the time when AWL left, when JW fell asleep and when the three deceased left. As many people have suggested, the 3 deceased decided to do a hit before leaving to go home to kind of straighten themselves out and that's the moment they all died within very short order. I don't know how many chairs were outside but let's assume all three were sitting down ready to go.

The next part of my theory refers to a report I submitted in a previous post regarding how drugs are metabolized in people depending on their body weight. A study had been done to suggest that when prescribing drugs it should be based on lean body weight not overall body weight and that those individuals with more adipose tissue eg, obesity, react to drugs much more quickly rather than their leaner counterparts. If that theory is correct then out of all those 3, DH would have succumbed much quicker than his buddies, perhaps dying seconds after ingesting the drug. The other two, CM and RJ may have already stood up and walked a few paces to whichever entrance they were taking their leave and then dropped in their tracks.

I also think LE investigation will be weeding through the two opposing statements of JW and AWL. JW has given several fuzzy statements in regards to when the three left, which door they left through and when he saw them last, etc. And AWL who has emphatically stated all three were alive when he left. Therein lies the problem. Three dead, their bodies frozen, with tox screens that suggest multiples of illegal substances, JW, the host, who volunteered to let LE search his home without a warrant, be interviewed without an attorney present and has not only acknowledged his addictions but checked into rehab and AWL who had three days to fine tune his alibi, saying SFA for a couple of days then coming forward with a criminal attorney in tow. IMO

 

[branmuffin]

I don't believe JW knew about the cocaine/fentanyl because if he did know, the three other men wouldn't have any reason to go into the back yard. They would have ingested the drugs in the house and walked out the front door to their vehicles parked across the street.

JMO

I love the smell of logic in the morning.

 

[DFWNF]

JW may not have wanted anyone snorting coke in his home, and I don't find that odd. But I do find snorting outside in the winter with the cold, snow, wind etc odd.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

IMO - I think he took the saying ‘ignorance is bliss’ literally & ran with it. What else could he do unless he admitted that they were all taking drugs & I somehow doubt that he offered this information to the police - As far as I’ve read, he told police that he ‘thought’ all 3 x men had simply frozen to death in his backyard!

He could have had a dissociative episode. Maybe brought on by the trauma of seeing his dead friends on the porch and he just mentally checked out. ?

 

[Elley Mae]

JW may not have wanted anyone snorting coke in his home, and I don't find that odd. But I do find snorting outside in the winter with the cold, snow, wind etc odd.

Yeah that would be hard to snort a line outside with wind unless you had a bullet to snort from.
What I mean by bullet is a small glass container that screws on to a top with a hole and on the side is a knob that controls if the glass container is open to allow a ‘hit’ to enter the top and turn knob back and take the hit, wind proof.

Haven’t seen one in years.

Jmo