MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024

[ttcRider]

I don't think this is weather related. I live in Canada and we just went thru a week of -45 celsius with the windshield and people were still outside doing their jobs. You will have painful frost bite before you die. IMO

 

[Vern]

I don't think this is weather related. I live in Canada and we just went thru a week of -45 celsius with the windshield and people were still outside doing their jobs. You will have painful frost bite before you die. IMO

I live here too, but it's not like we don't have people freeze to death in warmer weather than we have been experiencing.

IMO, we'll learn that alcohol was a factor in these deaths ... perhaps the three head out onto the back deck for a quick smoke and the door auto-locks behind them. Home owner-renter has passed out and can't hear them beat on the door (if they did at all). Not dressed for 'working' outside in cold temperatures because it was 'just for a smoke', etc. Drunk people tend not to notice the cold like sober people.

Still doesn't explain lack of owner/renter noticing them despute the texts and calls and their cars being there. Perhap he was on a three-day bender given the wine glass and boxers greeting given to police; perhaps he's an alchie?

 

[acutename]

I wonder how well these three guys really knew their host. He sounds very strange.

JMO

just reading this thread today- host's detachment would make more sense to me if there were mobs of people at his house and he barely or did not know these three- if they were more like party crashers, but inebriation makes hypothermia faster, easier and not noticeable to the inebriated, IMO. This is reminding me of the dead man in the Boston suburbs and his girlfriend accused of hitting him with her car... no sober witnesses to explain anything IMO.

Alcohol poisoning - Symptoms and causes​

Mayo Clinic
https://www.mayoclinic.org › syc-20354386





Apr 29, 2023 — Hypothermia. The body temperature may drop so low that it leads to cardiac arrest. Unusual heartbeat. Alcohol poisoning can cause a heartbeat ...

Alcohol ingestion and temperature regulation during cold exposure​

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0953985994710998

 

[OddOneOut]

Don't football parties usually involve alcohol? Maybe, they had too much to drink and went outside thinking the cold air would make them more alert? Instead, they fell asleep or passed out and froze? And, the resident was either passed out inside or too drunk to notice?

 

[LordMo]

Don't football parties usually involve alcohol? Maybe, they had too much to drink and went outside thinking the cold air would make them more alert? Instead, they fell asleep or passed out and froze? And, the resident was either passed out inside or too drunk to notice?

this is, sadly, my initial thought.... BUT. If the reports of the host's activities and lack of response are true, it naturally raises questions.

 

[vls12345]

Article today (Tuesday):

3 men found dead outside Kansas City home after reportedly gathering to watch football game

The men, friends ages 36-38, were found dead the evening of Jan. 9 at a house in Northland, the Kansas City Police Department confirmed

www.usatoday.com

"The men, all between ages 36 and 38, were found dead the evening of Jan. 9 at a house in Northland, a northern suburb of Kansas City in Platte County, the Kansas City Police Department told USA TODAY."

On Tuesday, police said, officials from multiple agencies were working to determine how the men died."

and

"According to information from police Capt. Corey Carlisle, on the day they were discovered, the fiancé of one of the men visited the home to check on him, found a body on the back porch and called 911.

Officers responded to the scene at 9:51 p.m., police said, confirmed there was a dead body and upon further investigation, located two other dead bodies in the backyard.

There were no obvious signs of foul play "observed at or near the crime scene," according to police."

I don't know about you but, to me, 3 dead bodies in a backyard would be a sign of foul play. IMO. No wonder the families of these men are so upset.

 

[airportwoman]

Just FYI, I recently listened to an interview with a narcotics cop, who said nobody sells pure heroin anymore, it's all laced with fentanyl. For complicated reasons that are off-topic.

But I mention this as potentially relevant if these men were victims of the new reality.

JMO

On a related note, in pharmacy school we learned that the stereotypical "rock star found dead with a needle in his arm" is not an overdose, but more likely an anaphylactic reaction to something the dope was cut with. Overdoses don't kill instantly.

 

[airportwoman]

I would really like to know how each body was positioned, and in proximity to the other bodies, other than one on the back porch and two in the backyard.

Freezing to death is supposed to be less painful than other CODs…I’m not sure how any living person would know that, but I do hope each man felt little or no pain.

They get that information from people who nearly died from X, Y, or Z, and were revived.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

yep... they also wrote some not so nice things on his body, that im sure they were planning on all laughing about the next day. but because of what they did, the death looked suspicious so LE had to rule out foul play. im sure the friends were mortified when they realized.

IMO this kind of behavior is abusive. It's not funny "boys being boys" and shouldn't be tolerated.

In this case, I know people want to give the home resident/owner the benefit of the doubt, but isn't he still responsible at some point, regardless of what happened? The buck has got to stop with the party's host. And there's no way he didn't know by the next day that they were there, JMO.

 

[Charlot123]

Do people really think they can't overdose on drugs such as heroin and cocaine? Maybe the subconscious belief, "We are safe because we're together in a group" comes into play, though.

If this is what happened, isn't it interesting these three men all passed-away, but the resident of the home didn't? I'm glad he didn't, but what made the difference?
All IMO/JMO.

1) they don't know. That's the saddest part.
2) the amount of the active substance is not normed in street drugs. It was true for heroin, for fentanyl it seems to be worse. So they might have used something yesterday and did fine, but today it is a new batch on the street, and it is bad
3) people who have been clean and relapsed, and it is not difficult to do so in the context of staying with still-using friends, often make the mistake of starting with the same previous "habitual" dose. But since they've been clean, their tolerance has decreased. The effect is much worse.
4) combining one respiratory suppressant (opiate) with other respiratory suppressants such as alcohol (the list is long), can be deadly
5) I have heard of schoolkids who tried a new drug at a graduation party, maybe not their drug at all, just for the company, and once was enough. In a way, clean people have much lower tolerance, once may be enough.
6) with cocaine, the story is very different. It is not as deadly, but many early heart attacks and strokes in 40-year-old people, men more than women, are caused by habitual cocaine use. When they write about one famous singer who departed at the age of 40, "he was not drinking that day, not doing coke, it just happened," well, maybe previous 10 years of cocaine abuse did it.

I wouldn't be surprised that the owner of the house had higher tolerance, and plus, the guests could have felt comatose outside, fell asleep and hyperthermia contributed. Or, we don't know why they went outside. Your guess is as good as mine.

It takes a long time to get the result of the toxicology tests. But we shall probably know. The statistic is bad, so it makes no sense to conceal the fact that the victims might have used.

I am only surprised that Sublocade (injectable Suboxone) has not been used more in the community, as Suboxone can be easily stopped, if someone wants to relapse, and Sublocade one can't scratch out. It is expensive, but probably, cheaper on the community than the burden of opiate-related deaths.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I think higher functioning people might be surprised by the number of people in the US who go days, if not weeks, without opening their door in this day and age. I can see a scenario in which the homeowner wasn't aware there were three dead people in his yard, though it would invite other questions.

MOO.

 

[neesaki]

BINGO---that makes sense. Maybe they all OD'ed inside and the host of the watch party dragged them outside. wow

That’s what I’m thinking. Or, they just passed out, and he dragged them outside, because he didn’t want them in his house when he was ready to go to bed. Because maybe he’s just not quite with it…. drug addled brain , IDK.

 

[arielilane]

Curious what homeowner's electronics will reveal during the time that the three men left the house to when the three men were found outside of his home, and their cause of death.

Will footsteps be tracked for any movement during the time... if so, ought to be revealing.

Did the three men leave at the same time? Was time of death close proximity to each other? Would authorities be able to tell if either man attempted to assist another?

One of the men didn't make it off of the back porch, right?

Moo

 

[arielilane]

The men, all between ages 36 and 38, were found dead the evening of Jan. 9 at a house in Northland, a northern suburb of Kansas City in Platte County, the Kansas City Police Department told USA TODAY.

3 men found dead outside Kansas City home after reportedly gathering to watch football game

The men, friends ages 36-38, were found dead the evening of Jan. 9 at a house in Northland, the Kansas City Police Department confirmed

www.usatoday.com

1.16.2024

 

[ilovewings]

I think higher functioning people might be surprised by the number of people in the US who go days, if not weeks, without opening their door in this day and age. I can see a scenario in which the homeowner wasn't aware there were three dead people in his yard, though it would invite other questions.

MOO.

I am surprised --- when you say they don't open their door do you mean they don't leave their home for days or weeks or they don't open their door to strangers or anyone knocking on their door---

 

[lurkingwallflower]

I think higher functioning people might be surprised by the number of people in the US who go days, if not weeks, without opening their door in this day and age. I can see a scenario in which the homeowner wasn't aware there were three dead people in his yard, though it would invite other questions.

MOO.

Just to add an example to this - I have anxiety and before I got my puppy (to force me to get out of the house) I could happily stay in the house and not interact with anyone for weeks at a time. I work from home so didn't need to leave the house for anything other than food which I got delivered. There were times when I couldn't even remember when I last saw another human being in the flesh.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

The game was on SUNDAY, January 7.
Did no one go looking for them until TUESDAY January 9?
why?
not found until almost 10pm on TUESDAY - the game was SUNDAY. Did they lay there for over 48 hours with no one seeing them, no one looking for them? Surely if anyone had looked for them at this house, they would have been found, come on. Why the delay?

ETA: Have to look at the theory that the men were not dead on January 7 and there is lots more going on here. Also, were they 80 year old men, or if they were women, would we entertain the same theories that this is drug related?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I am surprised --- when you say they don't open their door do you mean they don't leave their home for days or weeks or they don't open their door to strangers or anyone knocking on their door---

Don't open their door at all. The pandemic and rise in crime and political strife has traumatized a not insignificant number of people who show up in my office. They often opt for phone call visits, not even video and certainly not in person. These days, when they can work from home, get groceries delivered and dropped at the front door, and don't have to come face-to-face with another human being, it's easy to stay behind the four walls of your home, for better or worse.

I'm not saying that's definitely what happened here. The homeowner obviously socialized with people he knew, hence the 3 men. But this is in response to the many people who think it's impossible for the dead bodies to be missed. It really isn't. If this was someone who worked from home, didn't socialize much, and didn't leave the house often, I can see it happening. Until we know more about the circumstances, I'm not ruling out that the homeowner legitimately didn't know.

JMO

 

[cocomod]

I think higher functioning people might be surprised by the number of people in the US who go days, if not weeks, without opening their door in this day and age. I can see a scenario in which the homeowner wasn't aware there were three dead people in his yard, though it would invite other questions.

MOO.

That doesn't answer why they didn't answer calls from concerned family members or even answer the door when the girlfriend went to the house to find out where her boyfriend was. She literally trespassed on his property to find her boyfriend dead.

 

[10ofRods]

I am surprised --- when you say they don't open their door do you mean they don't leave their home for days or weeks or they don't open their door to strangers or anyone knocking on their door---

In our case (and in the case of several of our neighbors) it's both. We *never* open the door to a stranger. All utilities give us thorough advance notice and we can call a number to set up contact-less entry into the backyard if needed (utilities come off a pole in our thoroughly fenced backyard - we just let them know we're leaving the gate open and we draw the curtains and ignore them). We do this for many reasons.

I haven't seen the elderly couple directly across the street for more than six months. No clue if they are still living there - all their cars and toys are still there (ATV's, e-cycles, 2 RV's - those things haven't moved for a couple of years now). I haven't seen the couple next door to us in months either, although someone did come to their house to detail a car, so I know they are sometimes home. None of us opens our doors to people we haven't invited to our house.

We leave our house about once a week (by car). This would be obvious because we park our cars outside (like most of the other neighbors). But the two elderly couples (older than me by 1-2 decades) keep their daily rides inside garage or visibility fenced carport.

I haven't seen the cars move at other neighbors' house directly in my window view for months, either and they have cars parked in their driveway ( as we do ) so they would have to move one of those cars to get anywhere by car - I presume they use the car that's in their driveway. OTOH there's a younger family also in view of my house, with a mini-van that I've seen move many times in the past few months.

I'm picturing this homeowner as potentially elderly and perhaps rarely goes to the back yard.

Is the backyard of this house fenced? Do we know?

IMO.