MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024

[SMK777]

Even under the influence, I wonder why all three would willingly remain outside in freezing temperatures if they had access to the house for warmth.

That’s why it’s indicative of unconsciousness.

 

[cocomod]

According to studies over the years, while alcohol may seem like the perfect cold-weather beverage because it creates a sensation of warmth, it actually decreases core body temperature — regardless of the temperature outside — and increases the risk of hypothermia.

Alcohol and cold - PubMed

Alcohol is a dominant cause of death in urban hypothermia. Drinking alcohol gives a pleasant feeling of warmth. However, experimental studies on humans during relatively short exposure to moderate cold have given inconsistent results concerning heat balance. Longer exposure to colder...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[al66pine]

Did Host Tell LE - Friends Froze to Death?

Then the host’s statement to police that they may have frozen to death...

snipped for focus @SMK777 Respectfully asking.
Can you or someone provide link & quote that host told LE - friends froze to death? Please. I've missed it.

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Did host tell Mother of deceased what he told LE? Seems doubtful imo.
If host did not tell her, how/where did Mother get info about what host told LE?
Did LE tell Mother what host told LE? Also seems doubtful imo.

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MSM reports. Briefly, my paraphrasing.
Fox4kc Jan 12 story w Jan 15 update:
Host who answered door for LE later TOLD HIS FAMILY that friends froze to death.
Attributes this to Marquez, mother of Harrington, deceased man.
Does not say host told LE that friends froze.

Inside Edition's Jan 15 story, linking Fox4kc but CHANGES, saying host TOLD LE that friends froze. Huh, what?

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MSM. Not so briefly w QUOTES attributing info to Marquez the Mother of Harrington, one of the three deceased men.

Fox4kc.com Jan 12 story w Jan 15 update:
" "The man who lives there, according to Marquez, was home and answered the door for police. He later told his family that his friends simply froze to death." HOST TOLD HIS FAMILY.

Family furious with lack of answers after 3 men found dead in KC’s Northland

Days after three bodies were found behind a home in Kansas City’s Northland, family of one victim say they’re furious with the lack of answers.

fox4kc.com

Inside Edition, Jan.15:
"on FOX4, the mother of 37-year-old David Harrington....
"The man who lives there, according to Marquez, was home and answered the door for police. He later told his family that his friends simply froze to death." HOST TOLD LE.

Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead Outside Kansas City Home

Two friends of the men who spoke with Inside Edition Digital say Ricky Johnson, David Harrington and Clayton McGeeney had all gone to the house on Sunday to watch the Kansas City Chiefs game, and no one had heard from them since that time.

www.insideedition.com

 

[SMK777]

According to studies over the years, while alcohol may seem like the perfect cold-weather beverage because it creates a sensation of warmth, it actually decreases core body temperature — regardless of the temperature outside — and increases the risk of hypothermia.

Alcohol and cold - PubMed

Alcohol is a dominant cause of death in urban hypothermia. Drinking alcohol gives a pleasant feeling of warmth. However, experimental studies on humans during relatively short exposure to moderate cold have given inconsistent results concerning heat balance. Longer exposure to colder...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thanks for this information! So in cold weather outdoors it would be the worst of all possible worlds:

The sensation that you were warm, while fatal hypothermia was setting in.
Could be they did nothing more than drink outside, but why outside? One or more of them wanting to chain smoke as discussed upthread?

 

[SMK777]

snipped for focus @SMK777 Respectfully asking.
Can you or someone provide link & quote that host told LE - friends froze to death? Please. I've missed it.

The mother of David Harrington, Jennifer Marquez, told Fox 4 that the person living in the home allegedly told police that his friends froze to death.

“I’m furious. Everybody is furious,” said Marquez. “Nobody believes this story. None of his friends, none of the families, none of us believe.”

Inside Editon Digital reached out to the person living in the home multiple times but he did not respond to requests for comment.

Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead Outside Kansas City Home

Two friends of the men who spoke with Inside Edition Digital say Ricky Johnson, David Harrington and Clayton McGeeney had all gone to the house on Sunday to watch the Kansas City Chiefs game, and no one had heard from them since that time.

www.insideedition.com

 

[ch_13]

Thanks for this information! So in cold weather outdoors it would be the worst of all possible worlds:

The sensation that you were warm, while fatal hypothermia was setting in.
Could be they did nothing more than drink outside, but why outside? One or more of them wanting to chain smoke as discussed upthread?

I'm sure this is true, but I have to question how pronounced the effect really is. If alcohol really made one that much more likely to succumb to hypothermia why don't we have an epidemic of dead snowmobilers, ice fishermen, football spectators, etc?

In fact, you could make a similar argument about the dangers of drinking during a summer heatwave.

People can and do drink in all weather conditions. To have three people drop dead simultaneously only because they were drinking outdoors in the cold just seems too unlikely to me.

 

[SMK777]

I'm sure this is true, but I have to question how pronounced the effect really is. If alcohol really made one that much more likely to succumb to hypothermia why don't we have an epidemic of dead snowmobilers, ice fishermen, football spectators, etc?

In fact, you could make a similar argument about the dangers of drinking during a summer heatwave.

People can and do drink in all weather conditions. To have three people drop dead simultaneously only because they were drinking outdoors in the cold just seems too unlikely to me.

Yes, I agree: The fact that 3 healthy men in their 30s all died in temperatures that were not abnormally low and while right outside their host’s residence does seem very extreme.

To the point where you begin to think of fentanyl or some kind of foul play that was not immediately apparent.

 

[GMS]

Yes, I agree: The fact that 3 healthy men in their 30s all died in temperatures that were not abnormally low and while right outside their host’s residence does seem very extreme.

To the point where you begin to think of fentanyl or some kind of foul play that was not immediately apparent.

I agree, there was some initial confusion in this thread about the day of the game and the corresponding weather...the game they were watching was January 7th, and Kansas City reported a high of 40 degrees / low 32 degrees (fahrenheit). I'm curious if the men were discovered wearing jackets, like they planned to be outside; ie. a smoke break during the game or maybe they were preparing to leave.

 

[Chelly]

That’s why I and others had wondered if it might have been something like fentanyl which caused them to lose consciousness. Hypothermia would subsequently have progressed during the night with the host upstairs asleep and unaware of what was happening outside.

If he also partook, he was saved by being indoors. He may have been sick and disoriented for a couple of days after which could explain his lack of communication.

Yes, I agree with this theory. However, it is perplexing to me that all three men would loose consciousness at same time in freezing back yard. It seems at some point they would have been lucid enough to seek the warmth of indoors.
On the other hand, perhaps whatever they consumed made their senses unaware of the freezing temperatures and thus impaired them to seek warmth. I still can't help but wonder if they died indoors and were dragged outdoors after death. Just wondering and moo

 

[SMK777]

I still can't help but wonder if they died indoors and were dragged outdoors after death. Just wondering and moo

Snipped for focus.
I believe police detectives must surely be asking and exploring these questions as well. The death of 3 young people at the same time within a short time frame and so close to the house, and with family and friends in an uproar is not something that can be dismissed without thorough investigation.

 

[SMK777]

I agree, there was some initial confusion in this thread about the day of the game and the corresponding weather...the game they were watching was January 7th, and Kansas City reported a high of 40 degrees / low 32 degrees (fahrenheit). I'm curious if the men were discovered wearing jackets, like they planned to be outside; ie. a smoke break during the game or maybe they were preparing to leave.

Yes, I had said a low of 19 degrees but I see now that that was actually on Jan 9.

So it’s even less believable that all 3 would have simply succumbed to the elements at 32 degrees F.

Sometimes people get overheated in a house and go out for a smoke in the winter without a coat (I’ve done this myself). So it is a question if they had coats on, and car keys prepared to depart, or just out for a break and perhaps no coats at all.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Most people are surprised to learn that hypothermia deaths can occur with temperatures between 30 and 50 degrees.

Colorado Winter Weather Preparedness Week - Wind Chill Temperatures and Hypothermia

 

[iamshadow21]

Most people are surprised to learn that hypothermia deaths can occur with temperatures between 30 and 50 degrees.

Colorado Winter Weather Preparedness Week - Wind Chill Temperatures and Hypothermia

I'm not. It happens regularly when people get lost hiking in the summer here in Australia and the sun goes down. And we never get snow where I am. Humans are incredibly fragile, and hypothermia happens whenever circumstances allow the core body temperature to drop only a few degrees. You don't need subzero temperatures for that.

EDIT: Example, the sad case of Esther Wallace. Found Deceased - Esther Wallace, 47, Missing, near Orange, NSW, 30th November 2022

MOO

 

[Frostysucker]

The mother of David Harrington, Jennifer Marquez, told Fox 4 that the person living in the home allegedly told police that his friends froze to death.

“I’m furious. Everybody is furious,” said Marquez. “Nobody believes this story. None of his friends, none of the families, none of us believe.”

Inside Editon Digital reached out to the person living in the home multiple times but he did not respond to requests for comment.

Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead Outside Kansas City Home

Two friends of the men who spoke with Inside Edition Digital say Ricky Johnson, David Harrington and Clayton McGeeney had all gone to the house on Sunday to watch the Kansas City Chiefs game, and no one had heard from them since that time.

www.insideedition.com

Interesting

 

[musicaljoke]

Most people are surprised to learn that hypothermia deaths can occur with temperatures between 30 and 50 degrees.

Colorado Winter Weather Preparedness Week - Wind Chill Temperatures and Hypothermia

I don't think most of us disbelieve that the men could have frozen to death. The bigger question is, what happened that caused them to be unable to protect their own lives?

 

[SMK777]

I don't think most of us disbelieve that the men could have frozen to death. The bigger question is, what happened that caused them to be unable to protect their own lives?

That’s why the toxicology report will be essential. It was said in the media that the medical examiner is expected to rule on cause of death within a week.

I don’t see how that could be done without at least a preliminary toxicology report, even though people are saying that it takes weeks or months?

 

[iamnotagolem]

I don't think most of us disbelieve that the men could have frozen to death. The bigger question is, what happened that caused them to be unable to protect their own lives?

I was just providing reference to data about hypothermia in case anyone was interested. There was discussion about questioning if it was cold enough to freeze to death.

 

[SMK777]

I was just providing reference to data about hypothermia in case anyone was interested. There was discussion about questioning if it was cold enough to freeze to death.

Yes, I was surprised to hear that hypothermia can occur at such relatively high temperatures. What’s still perplexing about these 3 mens’ deaths is that they were right outside the house.

 

[branmuffin]

There

Even if the photos showed a table and chairs, how likely would it be that they would want to remain outside in 19 degree weather, UNLESS as I stated in my other post, they were cigarette smokers. That actually does motivate people to stand outdoors a long time in the cold.

Hard core smokers will still huddle outside having a smoke in frigid temperatures. If there's chairs they might sit down and huddle too. If there was some kind of fire pit they may have stayed out even longer. They may not have wanted to go out for a smoke but the tenant may have told them he rented the house verifying he was a non smoker. Who knows.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Articles have mentioned that the three deceased men (obviously) didn't show up for work on Monday or Tuesday of that week. And that, partly, is what led to family & other friends & coworkers becoming concerned about where they were.

Did the surviving person show up for work on Monday &/or Tuesday, even if working virtually? If so, I would be curious about his demeanor those days during any work interactions or communications he would have had. Imo.

Great question!