MO - Grand Jury Proceedings in the shooting case of teen Michael Brown

[Dana]

Is the site being weird for anyone else, or is it my internet?

LOL nope, not your internet, mine's doing the same thing. WS must be updating or something

 

[al66pine]

http://fergusonevents.org/wp/events/shut-it-down-sleepfulprotest-for-ferguson/
"ShutIt Down #SleepfulProtest for #Ferguson
FergusonPolice Department Date(s) - 10/11/2014 - 10/12/2014 11:00 PM -6:00 AM
Join your neighbors & Justice for Mike Brown alliesas they engage in a bit of creative direct action in andaround the Ferguson Police Station.
Bring asleeping bag, flashlight & your favorite midnight snacks to stand up topolice brutality in community.
LegalObservers, Bed Time Story Tellers & Livestreamers are needed in addition to those who wish toengage in the protest." BBM
The protestors already
---have been practicing 'creative direct actions' and
---have more 'story tellers' than they need
(but that'sjmo).

Seriously,sleeping bag, flashlight, are they planning a sleep-in? Or what?
Where? At or acrossfrom FPD?

 

[Klood-N]

@KMOXKilleen retweet
#Ferguson #MikeBrown did this: The race between GOP candidate Stream and #McCullough defender @SteveStenger is a tie cbsloc.al/10jds6G
6:46am - 30 Sep 14

POLL: Race for County Executive Seat is a Statistical Tie
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/09/29/poll-race-for-county-executive-seat-is-a-statistical-tie/

 

[CuriousGuy]

IMO the media's sensationalism of this case has been a trigger for the anti-LE types.

Now the narrative seems to be even if Mike Mike robbed a store and assaulted an officer the police are still oppressive and can't be trusted.

 

[Klood-N]

http://fergusonevents.org/wp/events/shut-it-down-sleepfulprotest-for-ferguson/
"ShutIt Down #SleepfulProtest for #Ferguson
FergusonPolice Department Date(s) - 10/11/2014 - 10/12/2014 11:00 PM -6:00 AM
Join your neighbors & Justice for Mike Brown alliesas they engage in a bit of creative direct action in andaround the Ferguson Police Station.
Bring asleeping bag, flashlight & your favorite midnight snacks to stand up topolice brutality in community.
LegalObservers, Bed Time Story Tellers & Livestreamers are needed in addition to those who wish toengage in the protest." BBM
The protestors already
---have been practicing 'creative direct actions' and
---have more 'story tellers' than they need
(but that'sjmo).

Seriously,sleeping bag, flashlight, are they planning a sleep-in? Or what?
Where? At or acrossfrom FPD?

This what I was thinking. Where are you planning to sleep? On the road? On private property? Is this a neighborhood it'd be safe to sleep in the middle of with your stuff on the best of days?

 

[CuriousGuy]

@KMOXKilleen retweet
#Ferguson #MikeBrown did this: The race between GOP candidate Stream and #McCullough defender @SteveStenger is a tie cbsloc.al/10jds6G
6:46am - 30 Sep 14

POLL: Race for County Executive Seat is a Statistical Tie
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/09/29/poll-race-for-county-executive-seat-is-a-statistical-tie/

I bet it never crossed his mind what a social engineer he would become while he strong armed that store owner.

 

[popsicle]

Tef Poe/FootKlan ‏@TefPoe 11m11 minutes ago
Cops shot in the air Lastnight tried to blame us clearly they did this intentionally they didn't even pursue a suspect

Rebelutionary Z retweeted
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Search4Swag ‏@search4swag 10h10 hours ago
Recap.Took the street , held the street, kept the street. Retrieved the one and only hostage, in a timely manner. VICTORY
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[bettybaby00]

I think being in the middle of the road is part of their protest because that is where MB and DJ were when they were stopped by Officer Wilson. However, using a minor child at 1am in the morning when they have school the next day (home schooled or not) standing in the middle of a main road where some cars are flying by is wrong. Given the fact that a gun was fired and the children were not removed but were kept there as protection against the police is way more than wrong. jmo

Hmmm. Are they moving toward human shield ideology?

SMH

 

[Klood-N]

Masri, 27, is open about his traffic-ticket problem and says he has been arrested approximately 40 times for moving violations -- mostly for driving without a license. It all started back when he was nineteen and got into a car accident without insurance. He was ordered to pay $50,000 in damages, but he couldn't come up with the money. As a result, his license was suspended for fifteen years.

"They left my car on the side of the road, and everything got stolen: my clothes, my iPad, my equipment, everything got stolen. Gone," he says.

Bassem Masri, a St. Louis native who works as a distribution manager by day and an activist journalist by night, is suspicious about the arrest
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/da...ts_equipment_robbed_while_sitting_in_jail.php

The car he's not supposed to be driving. Shouldn't he be upset with the thief? I feel for the person(s) he hit while driving with no insurance. Those are large damages. They probably need him to pay his debt. It's this rules shouldn't exist/don't apply to me mindset we see in so much of the protestors' actions, IMO.

 

[MyBelle]

This what I was thinking. Where are you planning to sleep? On the road? On private property? Is this a neighborhood it'd be safe to sleep in the middle of with your stuff on the best of days?

I think they'll be on public property. It's not a bad idea. Many years ago, prior to air conditioning, it was safe to sleep outdoors during heatwaves. People without porches went to city parks. Getting to know your neighbors creates a safer atmosphere for everybody. That's the kind of "peaceful protest" that everyone would rather see.

JMO

 

[CHERIE.T]

Here's another report about last night's protest.


Law enforcement from Ferguson, St. Louis County, and the Missouri State Highway Patrol were in the area keeping an eye on things. Capt. Ron Johnson with the MSHP was also in the area talking with protesters and answering questions.
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/09/30/ferguson-police-department-protests/16467377/

It's weird that death chants translate into "peaceful" in MSM reporting on Ferguson.

How can MSN even report such nonsense and get away with it?

 

[LambChop]

I think they'll be on public property. It's not a bad idea. Many years ago, prior to air conditioning, it was safe to sleep outdoors during heatwaves. People without porches went to city parks. Getting to know your neighbors creates a safer atmosphere for everybody. That's the kind of "peaceful protest" that everyone would rather see.

JMO

It is against the health department regulations so I doubt they will be permitted to do that. jmo

 

[Klood-N]

This will be handy: http://fergusonevents.org/wp/

Tonight is
ST. LOUIS COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING #STLCCM
#STL County Council Chambers
41 South Central Ave - Clayton

Date(s) - 09/30/2014
6:00 PM - 7:00 PM

 

[Lovejac]

What do y'all think about the complaints regarding the $135/hour fees for sunshine requests? There's lot of anger over this right now.

I think we all would agree that disclosure and transparency are desirable here, so there's definitely validity to the arguments that waiver of fees is in the public interest. OTOH, Ferguson is spending beaucoup bucks on police overtime and other costs associated with this situation, and they're granting amnesty and cancelling traffic fines wholesale, and their property tax revenue is most likely on a sharply downward trajectory, so it's not like they have tons of extra money sitting around.

As to the fee itself. The headlines that they're charging 10 times a city worker's salary is just melodrama. They've quoted AP an hourly rate of $135/hour, which is ten times the hourly wage of the lowest-paid entry-level worker in the city clerk's office. So I discount the headline, but I do look at the $135/hour charge.

$135 seems high, on its face. Then I look at what's included in that.

Missouri statutes set the per-page copying fee at 10 cents per page.
Fees for duplicating time (someone to run the copier) are "not to exceed the average hourly rate of pay for clerical staff of the public governmental body."
Research time required for fulfilling records requests may be charged at the actual cost of research time.
Source: http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C600-699/6100000026.HTM

Obviously, the bulk of the $135/hour would have to be research time. That would include skilled IT people to fashion and conduct the searches to pull the relevant emails & other requested documents from databases, as well as lawyers & other professionals to review the documents, determine what's relevant to the request, determine what should be exempted from the request, and determine which part(s) need to be redacted. There would probably need to be time spent reviewing state law and case law in determining exemptions and redactions. When you get lawyers involved -- and they have to get lawyers involved -- "actual costs" can easily skyrocket.

So, I end up undecided whether $135 is unreasonable. A Google search doesn't enlighten me as to what average sunshine request fees are or how often fees are waived. What do y'all think?

I'd like to know as well. When I see all the headlines I envision a person standing at a copier and hitting the copy button over and over and over and being paid $135 per hour to do that :giggle:

Which is exactly what they want me to.

 

[Trident]

"This is a blog by an anonymous police officer taking part in the response to the riots in Ferguson, MO. If you’re new, I suggest you start with the entry Dissonance."

If you google "Dissonant Winston Smith" you can read this officer's entries beginning with his Aug. 15 "Dissonance" piece, which is an eye-opening revelation of the danger officers faced in the early days. Other entries, every one focused only on the Ferguson saga, cover Aug. 16 until now. It's extremely well-written and fair imo.

Wow! Thank you for this. I've read several sections, and I gotta tell you all, this gives me a whole new perspective on what went on in Ferguson. It was much worse than "I" thought.

I believe this is a must read.

 

[Klood-N]

It is against the health department regulations so I doubt they will be permitted to do that. jmo

On the events main page I just posted, they list the location as:
Shut It Down #SleepfulProtest for #Ferguson
Ferguson Police Department, Ferguson MO

Pretty sure there's no room for that, either.

 

[bettybaby00]

Masri, 27, is open about his traffic-ticket problem and says he has been arrested approximately 40 times for moving violations -- mostly for driving without a license. It all started back when he was nineteen and got into a car accident without insurance. He was ordered to pay $50,000 in damages, but he couldn't come up with the money. As a result, his license was suspended for fifteen years.

"They left my car on the side of the road, and everything got stolen: my clothes, my iPad, my equipment, everything got stolen. Gone," he says.

Bassem Masri, a St. Louis native who works as a distribution manager by day and an activist journalist by night, is suspicious about the arrest
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/da...ts_equipment_robbed_while_sitting_in_jail.php

The car he's not supposed to be driving. Shouldn't he be upset with the thief? I feel for the person(s) he hit while driving with no insurance. Those are large damages. They probably need him to pay his debt. It's this rules shouldn't exist/don't apply to me mindset we see in so much of the protestors' actions, IMO.

"He's open about his traffic ticket problem..... Arrested 40 times? That's more than a problem. SMH what happens when there's another accident? It's probably very safe to assume he doesn't have insurance...and what's so suspicious about his arrest?

My brother went through a similar experience of loosing his license for unpaid tickets, and had it revoked until he could pay off the fines. It took years but he finally did it.

There's so much wrong with his comments. None of them want to take any responsibility for the position they find themselves in.

And I guess we could all claim to be "journalists" since we're all actively "reporting" about the events in Ferguson. :giggle:

 

[Klood-N]

Just noticed that Piaget Crenshaw, #michaelbrown shooting witness, removed her FB page. Video of burning of memorial gone.
@Lussenpop
Managing editor, Riverfront Times

 

[Klood-N]

Ed Magee, the spokesman for the St. Louis County prosecutor, told msnbc that the case was originally transferred to the grand jury on Sept. 6 and that it had nothing to do with Wilson’s failure to appear on Monday. Magee said that following the Brown shooting, all cases in which Wilson was a main witness had been placed on hold and that Brooks’ case somehow “slipped through the cracks” and wasn’t flagged at the time.

Magee said the prosecutor’s office decided shortly after the hearing to add the case to the hold pile

Magee said the move is part of the “normal process when there’s an investigation ongoing.”

In the report, Wilson wrote that he didn’t use his weapon and relied only on “hand control and the positioning of my body weight.”

Magee said prosecutors are still in the process of presenting evidence to the grand jury and that they are meeting several times a week. He said there should be no concern that the grand jury currently seated and hearing the Brown case will also be juggling other cases connected to Wilson or otherwise.

“The grand jury that is hearing the Brown-Wilson case, that’s the only thing they are hearing,” he said.
Long article:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/darren-wilson-hiding-other-criminal-cases-legal-limbo

 

[popsicle]

"He's open about his traffic ticket problem..... Arrested 40 times? That's more than a problem. SMH what happens when there's another accident? It's probably very safe to assume he doesn't have insurance...and what's so suspicious about his arrest?

My brother went through a similar experience of loosing his license for unpaid tickets, and had it revoked until he could pay off the fines. It took years but he finally did it.

There's so much wrong with his comments. None of them want to take any responsibility for the position they find themselves in.

And I guess we could all claim to be "journalists" since we're all actively "reporting" about the events in Ferguson. :giggle:

Wait, so it is wrong I have that listed as my occupation on my SM profiles? :lol: