MO - Grand Jury Proceedings in the shooting case of teen Michael Brown

[Dana]

Note to protesters: You're not getting paid to protest but the cops are paid to be there and with OT

 

[formerjerseygirl]

I'd put money on it, if the cops just went about their business instead of trying to puff their chests, the people probably would have dispersed by now. They're just giving them a rallying cry and the more they try to intimidate the protesters the more they're making their case that it's an oppressive system.

With all due respect reedus when the cops stayed away that is when the looting ect happens.

 

[popsicle]

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Molly ‏@mollyrosestl 3m3 minutes ago
Some people say they're getting ready for tear gas. #Ferguson
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[katydid23]

Ron Johnson coming to try and reason with the peeps in the middle of the street...

 

[KEVINinTO]

Capt Johnson "I agree with some of the things you are saying"

 

[popsicle]

Rebelutionary Z ‏@Rebelutionary_Z 1m1 minute ago
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[Trident]

Give in, give in, give in. This suspending of laws is making me sick.

 

[popsicle]

Valerie Schremp Hahn ‏@valeriehahn 4m4 minutes ago
Captain Johnson speaks. He wants to let them protest, but safely. #ferguson


Jeremy Kohler ‏@jeremykohler 3m3 minutes ago
Ron Johnson just said on @bellaeiko feed that he didn't like what he was seeing and came to intervene. Said protests can continue.


Valerie Schremp Hahn ‏@valeriehahn 2m2 minutes ago
Johnson says highway patrol and county police will not enforce 5 second rule. He says he does not command #Ferguson police.

 

[Dana]

Nice talk Officer Johnson. The FPD ought to all walk away and ignore the whole lot of them.

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

If I were a Ferguson LEO I'd be sending my resume to the four corners of the US to get the hell out of Dodge ASAP. When your superiors cut your legs out from under you time and time again, all while you are standing exposed to gunfire, it's time to move on.

And I'm sure the citizens of Ferguson who are trying to sleep, get home from the late shift, get to work, let their babies sleep are sooooooo happy that Johnson has come in to take care of things. I mean, it's so nice and peaceful now, eh? Totaly disgusted.

 

[Trident]

So I guess they're going to be allowed to scream all night? Thanks to Johnson?

 

[LambChop]

I am shutting this thread down for the night. It will be open in the morning unless there is a MOD out there that wants it open.:countsheep:

 

[Lovejac]

Good morning! So if I'm reading correctly, Ron Johnson showed up and talked to the protesters and everything was okay? I can only find mention of one person, a clergy man being arrested and then released.

Also, just as I predicted someone made mention that it was peaceful until the cops showed up :giggle: I'm thankful I was listening to dispatch when residents were calling in complaining about people blocking traffic as they were trying to drive.

So to reiterate, the protesters WERE peaceful and they were singing and dancing and beating their drums while on the sidewalk and in the parking lot, that's why the cops didn't come out. Then, other taxpaying residents with the right to be able to safely drive on roads that they help pay for called the cops because the protesters decided to stand in the road and block traffic. So the cops responded to those calls, came out and asked the protesters to move out of the street and onto the sidewalk and some people are blaming them for that :facepalm: Figures

The delusional is strong.

 

[LambChop]

Capt. Johnson told the protestors that he was willing to meet with them to answer any questions they had and that he would meet with them anytime they wanted. He also pointed out that there were many people there last night from outside the community. Also some people brought older children and I believe that is why police backed down. This is on a school night at about 1pm in the morning.

 

[sonjay]

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residents were calling in complaining about people blocking traffic as they were trying to drive.

I think you summed it up very nicely.

The night that the 2 cops got shot/shot at, when all the police cars were peeling out from the PD and racing to the scene of the first shooting, I remember seeing someone comment -- I disremember whether I saw it on Twitter or in the chat with one of the live feeds, and I can't find it again -- but I remember seeing someone exclaim that they (the cops) almost ran over a child in the street while they were on their way to the scene of the shooting.

Well... Well... Yes, ma'am, that's a very good example of why you're supposed to stay out of the street. And particularly why you should keep your children out of the street. Especially at night, when visibility is much more limited anyway. Especially children, who dart about unpredictably and who should be home in bed anyway.

The people driving fast past the protesters without slowing down? Well. Yes, that's exactly what I'd do, if I had to drive by there while they were "peacefully protesting." Those drivers remember the farmer's market fiasco, and they know they could have major problems if they slow down and get surrounded by peaceful protesters.

What an upside-down world Ferguson has become.

 

[sonjay]

What do y'all think about the complaints regarding the $135/hour fees for sunshine requests? There's lot of anger over this right now.

I think we all would agree that disclosure and transparency are desirable here, so there's definitely validity to the arguments that waiver of fees is in the public interest. OTOH, Ferguson is spending beaucoup bucks on police overtime and other costs associated with this situation, and they're granting amnesty and cancelling traffic fines wholesale, and their property tax revenue is most likely on a sharply downward trajectory, so it's not like they have tons of extra money sitting around.

As to the fee itself. The headlines that they're charging 10 times a city worker's salary is just melodrama. They've quoted AP an hourly rate of $135/hour, which is ten times the hourly wage of the lowest-paid entry-level worker in the city clerk's office. So I discount the headline, but I do look at the $135/hour charge.

$135 seems high, on its face. Then I look at what's included in that.

Missouri statutes set the per-page copying fee at 10 cents per page.
Fees for duplicating time (someone to run the copier) are "not to exceed the average hourly rate of pay for clerical staff of the public governmental body."
Research time required for fulfilling records requests may be charged at the actual cost of research time.
Source: http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C600-699/6100000026.HTM

Obviously, the bulk of the $135/hour would have to be research time. That would include skilled IT people to fashion and conduct the searches to pull the relevant emails & other requested documents from databases, as well as lawyers & other professionals to review the documents, determine what's relevant to the request, determine what should be exempted from the request, and determine which part(s) need to be redacted. There would probably need to be time spent reviewing state law and case law in determining exemptions and redactions. When you get lawyers involved -- and they have to get lawyers involved -- "actual costs" can easily skyrocket.

So, I end up undecided whether $135 is unreasonable. A Google search doesn't enlighten me as to what average sunshine request fees are or how often fees are waived. What do y'all think?

 

[CHERIE.T]

I hope LE isn't fooling themselves about it not being connected to what all is going on..jmo. The threats being expressed online against LE appear very real and very extreme imo.

Those threats will likely be ignored.

 

[CHERIE.T]

hummmmmm

 

[CHERIE.T]

I think they like the cameras when they think it might catch even the tiniest infraction a LEO might make. But they don't want it filming THEM behaving badly.

Sounds like they want to control everything recorded /VIDEOED

but I don't think that is legal or fesible.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Rebelutionary Z ‏@Rebelutionary_Z 3m3 minutes ago
Drums and chanting- "Got my hands on my head, please don't shoot me dead."#Ferguson

One of my personal favorites..

oh my POPSICLE Im surprised you didnt get in trouble for saying that, lol.