MO - Grand Jury Proceedings in the shooting case of teen Michael Brown

[sonjay]

Open Mike Night.

:drumroll:

I see what you did there.

 

[Klood-N]

Livestream from #Ferguson soon.
@AnonCopWatch

California Group Gives Ferguson Residents Cameras To Monitor Police

Jacob Crawford is an organizer with “We Copwatch.” He’s staying in Ferguson helping train residents on how to effectively use their cameras. He says monitoring cops is an act of defense.

“The temperature is extremely volatile. The cops have just proved themselves to be such an illegitimate entity of the state,” he said. “People don’t have any choice but to think about how we take care of ourselves without these people.”
http://krcu.org/post/california-grou...monitor-police

 

[sonjay]

I was just thinking that exact same thing! They're having an awful lot of fun.

I don't begrudge people having fun. If they could just find a more suitable time and place, and without the vitriol & invective, that'd be great.

ETA: And minus the death chants.

 

[WVWoman]

It took me maybe 20 minutes of the screams and chants ,Then comparing to WS comments to figure out I can do without the live feed,just read in silence,Thanks for that !!

 

[Lovejac]

It took me maybe 20 minutes of the screams and chants ,Then comparing to WS comments to figure out I can do without the live feed,just read in silence,Thanks for that !!

I just shut mine down too, Trying to save some brain cells for tomorrow.

 

[Klood-N]

I am. Council meetings are interesting. Post if you can.

There's a string of them
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[bettybaby00]

Livestream from #Ferguson soon.
@AnonCopWatch

California Group Gives Ferguson Residents Cameras To Monitor Police

Jacob Crawford is an organizer with “We Copwatch.” He’s staying in Ferguson helping train residents on how to effectively use their cameras. He says monitoring cops is an act of defense.

“The temperature is extremely volatile. The cops have just proved themselves to be such an illegitimate entity of the state,” he said. “People don’t have any choice but to think about how we take care of ourselves without these people.”
http://krcu.org/post/california-grou...monitor-police

Wow SMH

 

[Klood-N]

I've seen protestors tweet they fight because lives are precious; explain the wishes for Wilson's body and dead LE then.

 

[ontheclock]

I've seen protestors tweet they fight because lives are precious; explain the wishes for Wilson's body and dead LE then.

Sigh.

 

[Klood-N]

Live From #Ferguson PD' live on @Ustream. Come watch and chat! - ustre.am/1ho6j (9:26pm)
https://twitter.com/AnonCopWatch/status/517138382804484097

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/anon-...&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20140930193223

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

Sounds like Wal Mart on black Friday

lmao


Write bite of the day.

 

[Dana]

Good grief, how old is that baby playing on the drum, 3 maybe 4? Why is he there on the side of the street and not in bed??

 

[LambChop]

This thread will be shut down for the night at 11:00 DST.

 

[bettybaby00]

:seeya: we're awake :lol:

Good grief, how old is that baby playing on the drum, 3 maybe 4? Why is he there on the side of the street and not in bed??

I really don't understand why young kids are being exposed to this kind of atmosphere? It's beyond dangerous.

If you can't afford/have a babysitter then you don't go out. PERIOD

 

[dandy]

glad to hear that last nite's town meetings went well & was productive - just wish some of the protestors attended with their "listening ears on" cause one of their questions really stuck in my head.

iirc she asked - if it was you or me that shot an unarmed teenager, we'd be arrested & in jail right now - why isn't dw arrested (paraphrased).

i wonder if that's a common sentiment among the protestors - and it'd really help if the facts were explained about the laws/procedures for l/e shootings.

there's another article i read this a.m. that was better than this one - think it was public radio - let me see if i can find it again.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_82adcc1c-ab30-589e-8b95-1bb5232d2f0b.html

edit - yup, here it is

“A couple of folks said they want to get a round table to have some protest leaders, city leaders and other residents to come together and start having some conversations,” she said.

Some people made efforts to start a discussion directly after the meeting.

http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/ferguson-residents-embrace-dialogue-town-hall-meetings

 

[LambChop]

I think the belief has always been that if you will openly attack and/or kill a police officer, you would be willing to kill anyone. So if you try to get a police officer's gun you will probably use it on them or anyone else in the area. That is probably what was in Officer Wilson's mind at the time he shot Michael Brown. jmo

 

[Frydaddy]

It's all about perception. And the way LE acted before Johnson got on scene certainly feeds into a perception of oppression. As in, we will beat you into submission. We will do things to you that are against your will. CAN LE do that? I suppose but I also suppose that if FPD or County was in charge of the calls being made at the moment, they didn't help themselves with the DOJ. SHOULD LE do that? MOO is that it shows their incompetence in how to handle this situation.

As to who is puffing their chests...obviously all sides. But that is a given. It still doesn't change questioning how LE reacted to the situation and what the most effective approach is/would be.

As for doing it on my streets, do whatever. I have multiple routes I can go to get to wherever I need to go. The difference with me is that if I saw that it was my neighbor that fired off shots in the air, I'd call LE to let them know.

The only thing worse than an inaccurate or misplaced perception is a ground swell of support for an inaccurate or misplaced perception. Validating someone’s excuses only adds fuel to an already combustible fire. With all due respect, I don’t see oppression here, I see a ton of exploitation. I don’t see people being beaten into submission or having their rights violated, I see people using rhetoric to excuse their lack of intelligence and inability to control their emotions. I see leaders exploiting those limitations, and then I see people endorsing and supporting both the leaders and the followers. It does a complete disservice to reward or applaud inappropriate behavior, yet that is now SOP in our country.

Johnson came on the scene to appease people, nothing more, nothing less. He tells them what they want to hear or softens the message when he has to tell them something they don’t. DOJ was brought in for the very same reasons. The kinder, more gentle Jackson, same. Proper procedure is not, nor was it ever, the problem…even where I agree with you that procedures must improve. The statements are out there in spades, Wilson’s scalp or else. Everything else is hyperbole.

There is pressure involved here, pressure many of the miscreants obviously do not know how to process or release. THAT is where leaders of protests and supporters of protestors can win. LE is perceived as the enemy because that is what children are taught, either in words or watching those in their circles being handcuffed for misdeeds. LE is perceived as negative authority because there is no negative authority at home. LE is perceived as the limiter in an otherwise limitless existence. Quite simply, there are no boundaries created in the nurture process, LE has the obligation to be that boundary. Johnson and the DOJ should be in grade schools teaching children that lesson, not attempting to extend the boundaries to what a few in the public demand. If I am wrong here, there’d be many more protestors in the streets. If there was truly oppression in Ferguson, half the community would be out there. I doubt recruitment and hired guns from other states would be necessary if Ferguson was this big sociological failure.

Make no mistake, I find merit in some of what you say in a moving forward type of discussion. As for the here and now with these small protest groups, the behavior will dictate the response. You want to hassle businesses and their patrons, clog the streets, drag kids into adult situations, that’s on you. So are the results.

 

[bettybaby00]

glad to hear that last nite's town meetings went well & was productive - just wish some of the protestors attended with their "listening ears on" cause one of their questions really stuck in my head.

iirc she asked - if it was you or me that shot an unarmed teenager, we'd be arrested & in jail right now - why isn't dw arrested (paraphrased).

i wonder if that's a common sentiment among the protestors - and it'd really help if the facts were explained about the laws/procedures for l/e shootings.

there's another article i read this a.m. that was better than this one - think it was public radio - let me see if i can find it again.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_82adcc1c-ab30-589e-8b95-1bb5232d2f0b.html

edit - yup, here it is

“A couple of folks said they want to get a round table to have some protest leaders, city leaders and other residents to come together and start having some conversations,” she said.

Some people made efforts to start a discussion directly after the meeting.

http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/ferguson-residents-embrace-dialogue-town-hall-meetings

I think the belief has always been that if you will openly attack and/or kill a police officer, you would be willing to kill anyone. So if you try to get a police officer's gun you will probably use it on them or anyone else in the area. That is probably what was in Officer Wilson's mind at the time he shot Michael Brown. jmo

Thanks for bringing over the question from the townhall. I didn't see too much coverage of what happened.

Although the question seems pretty straight forward, it's a little more grey then these guys understand.

I completely agree with LambChop's post...MBs actions sealed his fate as fleeing after assaulting OW made him a violent felon who posed a risk to everyone in the community. Coincidently FOX had a segment about LE--completely unrelated--where it was emphasized that "line of duty deaths for LE are up 16% in the last year."

The other major contributor to the residents confusion regarding this situation is that OW is not like "you or I," and thats a distinction that they need to become educated about.

 

[bettybaby00]

The only thing worse than an inaccurate or misplaced perception is a ground swell of support for an inaccurate or misplaced perception. Validating someone’s excuses only adds fuel to an already combustible fire. With all due respect, I don’t see oppression here, I see a ton of exploitation. I don’t see people being beaten into submission or having their rights violated, I see people using rhetoric to excuse their lack of intelligence and inability to control their emotions. I see leaders exploiting those limitations, and then I see people endorsing and supporting both the leaders and the followers. It does a complete disservice to reward or applaud inappropriate behavior, yet that is now SOP in our country.

Johnson came on the scene to appease people, nothing more, nothing less. He tells them what they want to hear or softens the message when he has to tell them something they don’t. DOJ was brought in for the very same reasons. The kinder, more gentle Jackson, same. Proper procedure is not, nor was it ever, the problem…even where I agree with you that procedures must improve. The statements are out there in spades, Wilson’s scalp or else. Everything else is hyperbole.

There is pressure involved here, pressure many of the miscreants obviously do not know how to process or release. THAT is where leaders of protests and supporters of protestors can win. LE is perceived as the enemy because that is what children are taught, either in words or watching those in their circles being handcuffed for misdeeds. LE is perceived as negative authority because there is no negative authority at home. LE is perceived as the limiter in an otherwise limitless existence. Quite simply, there are no boundaries created in the nurture process, LE has the obligation to be that boundary. Johnson and the DOJ should be in grade schools teaching children that lesson, not attempting to extend the boundaries to what a few in the public demand. If I am wrong here, there’d be many more protestors in the streets. If there was truly oppression in Ferguson, half the community would be out there. I doubt recruitment and hired guns from other states would be necessary if Ferguson was this big sociological failure.

Make no mistake, I find merit in some of what you say in a moving forward type of discussion. As for the here and now with these small protest groups, the behavior will dictate the response. You want to hassle businesses and their patrons, clog the streets, drag kids into adult situations, that’s on you. So are the results.

Thanks button not enough!!

 

[LambChop]

In many households today there is a mistrust of authority figures. What we saw last night at the pizza restaurant were police engaging in conversations with the protestors in a positive way. This was after a lot of heated back and forth between protestors and patrons of the restaurant. Just plain ordinary everyday people need to get together in their community, sit down and talk about how to improve their relationships in terms of the community coming together again. Keep the authorizes out of it. There must be many volunteer opportunities for people to work together. If they have time to protest they certainly have time to get involved in the needs of their neighborhoods. "Stitches for Snitches" should not be a banner for ruling how a neighborhood functions. Just my 2 cents.