MO - Grief and protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown

[JeannaT]

Martial law isn't pretty, and the arrests of the media will be sorted out later.

*remembers Jessica Savich kicking a cop in the shins in my hometown airport during a hijacking story*

 

[wendiesan]

A woman last night was shot but not murdered, just attempted murder. Do you want to wait until it's real murder?

Is there a link that connects this to the protests? Or, is there a link that connects this to the riots?

 

[al66pine]

there is a riot squad member in full battle gear on top of an armored vehicle wielding a mounted sniper rifle and pointing it at unarmed peaceful civilians breaking no laws in daylight in america.
incredible.
edit - by the way, none of what i just wrote is hyperbole, or exaggeration, or influenced by any of the somewhat inflated commentary on that stream, it is an exact description of what is happening in ferguson.

"...rifle and pointing it at unarmed..."

Respectfully, if yours is a factual description of the livstream, pls. advise how you determined the civilians there are unarmed. (no snarc)

Did LE do a stop-and-frisk or a pat down on everyone entering area, w fenced, secured perimeter?
Was a metal detector used?

In watching for 15 min, all I have seen is, from this camera, civilians have not displayed firearms or other weapons,
not able to determine that they are in fact unarmed. Maybe all are unarmed; maybe some are armed. IDK.

Not saying LE is right or wrong, just saying I'm seeing a few dozen civilians thru only one camera,
not the hundreds that Fox reporter Betsy Bruce said were in the next block and closeby.
For that matter, I don't know if her report is factual; for all I know she could be making it up.
Maybe this one camera is showing all the ppl on foot, on the streets, in a 5 block area.

Sometimes I assume things as facts when there's no basis for doing so.

 

[Yoda]

I'm watching the live feed (fox) and it's a disgrace. There are people posing for photos and smiling. SMH. Media is about 40% of the people in the shot.

 

[liljim]

I watched that crowd approach the LE vehicle and then refuse to back up and then the crowd grew. Reasonable? I think not. jmo

you seem to have misunderstood what i wrote, let me make it really clear for you - the end part where i say "seems completely reasonable" refers to the words just prior to it. the words right before it are "they (the police) put out the message all day that gathering would not be allowed at night" and the fact that they have been pushing the crowd into a smaller and smaller area all day, making it appear larger as you pointed out.

maybe if i rearrange the words and incorporate your context it will become clear;

the crowd seems to be getting bigger, it is because the police are corralling the people into a smaller and smaller area, i find this action by the police completely reasonable because the crowd and mood will change at night and because they warned people all day that gathering would not be allowed after nightfall.

let me know if you need any further clarification.

 

[vulture]

Hold on I'll get you one: http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08...n-apparent-drive-by-shooting-during-protests/

 

[vulture]

It's kind of interesting that the Post-Dispatch doesn't have that story. Doesn't fit the narrative they've chosen?

 

[JeannaT]

Is there a link that connects this to the protests? Or, is there a link that connects this to the riots?

What I heard, it was a drive by shot in the head, she's expected to recover, completely unrelated to the protests. Just random thuggery.

 

[JeannaT]

This is about to explode. Jmo

It feels like that, but I think with LE preparation and readiness, it won't.

 

[SStarr33]

Anybody else having trouble with the feeds?

 

[popsicle]

you seem to have misunderstood what i wrote, let me make it really clear for you - the end part where i say "seems completely reasonable" refers to the words just prior to it. the words right before it are "they (the police) put out the message all day that gathering would not be allowed at night" and the fact that they have been pushing the crowd into a smaller and smaller area all day, making it appear larger as you pointed out.

maybe if i rearrange the words and incorporate your context it will become clear;

the crowd seems to be getting bigger, it is because the police are corralling the people into a smaller and smaller area, i find this action by the police completely reasonable because the crowd and mood will change at night and because they warned people all day that gathering would not be allowed after nightfall.

let me know if you need any further clarification.

Your snarkiness is not needed.

I saw the people swarm in front of the vehicle, it had nothing to do with the amount of space.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Personally, I would never argue or protest against LE or our military......nope. Not today. Nope. And besides, who really has the time to go protest when most of us are trying to hold down a couple of jobs just to pay the bills.



And seriously, every culture/race has been wronged, murdered, been victimized throughout our history here. There's case after case of crimes we could go through. But it does no good for individuals or groups to focus on that hatred or anger (or to look for it) because it snowballs and just causes more anger. What did resentment ever do for a productive person........nothing!


You can't cherrypick an incident as a mode to dispel hatred or anger. You should never paint anyone into a saint as a vehicle to unleash a much bigger turmoil or hidden agenda. You can't partake in a protest so that you can loot for merchandise or to let off steam.
It's common sense. It's called civility.

And you know what, life isn't always fair. I'm just trying to create a bit of beauty and peace while I'm here.

My .02

 

[popsicle]

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[ilovewings]

obviously a great solution for controlling crime in crime ridden neighborhoods would be to patrol those neighborhoods in armored vehicles and have armored riot squad units pointing their loaded assault rifles and sniper rifles at anyone on the streets, painting them with red laser dots, restricting their travel... who is on board? its effective right? those areas have a significant history of being unsafe. what could be wrong with that?

I have always believed they need the national guard in the inner cities but of course that will never happen

 

[oceanblueeyes]

they absolutely were, not sure how you missed it, assault rifles aimed right in peoples faces, sniper rifles laser sights on people. not maybe, not questionable. maybe you didnt see it, i dont know what to tell you.

In situations like this where a riot could erupt at anytime the police use rubber bullets and that is only if the rioters start charging forward toward them or start fires and lootings again.

IMO

 

[al66pine]

Martial law isn't pretty, and the arrests of the media will be sorted out later.
*remembers Jessica Savich kicking a cop in the shins in my hometown airport during a hijacking story*

O/T
Googling, I found a site, w 6-8 entries recounting story of the above 1972 hijacking JeannaT refers to.
http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/10756-another-story-for-bo/
An interesting read.

Quite a chain of events:
-highjackers pitted against stewardesses (as they were then known), flight crew, and
-local PD and a Texas County sheriff, figuratively speaking, bonking heads w the FBI, and
-some media folks scuffling w each other for the story.

A relatively happy ending for everyone except the highjackers.

 

[vulture]

What I heard, it was a drive by shot in the head, she's expected to recover, completely unrelated to the protests. Just random thuggery.

If you're the one shot does it matter why? It was on Chambers Road - you might not know where that is, but I do. It's right in the heart of Ferguson. One of my best friends lives a few blocks from there. One of my bosses and a family friend lives about a mile from there. My Dad and brother live about three miles from there. My cousin's husband is a cop in one of the other cities in North County. I'm going to be starting a class on the campus a few hundred yards from there in a couple of weeks. It lets out at 10 pm and I take Chambers Road toward the highway to home. I don't want large groups of people getting the idea that they can do whatever they want and they don't have to listen to the police.

 

[popsicle]

How can they be expected to be taken seriously with the crap they are spewing..some of them. Someone threw a bottle.

 

[popsicle]

Gas has been fired now.

He said police are shooting.

http://www.ustream.tv/RealAlexJones

 

[JeannaT]

If you're the one shot does it matter why? It was on Chambers Road - you might not know where that is, but I do. It's right in the heart of Ferguson. One of my best friends lives a few blocks from there. One of my bosses and a family friend lives about a mile from there. My Dad and brother live about three miles from there. My cousin's husband is a cop in one of the other cities in North County. I'm going to be starting a class on the campus a few hundred yards from there in a couple of weeks. It lets out at 10 pm and I take Chambers Road toward the highway to home. I don't want large groups of people getting the idea that they can do whatever they want and they don't have to listen to the police.

I know little about St. Louis except for having an acquaintance who runs a dog rescue and from his stories, it sounds like a third world country there. So no, I don't know the conditions or neighborhoods surrounding this lawless unrest that's happening now. I wish everyone well who lives in that area.