MO - Grief and protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown

[JeannaT]

Now police are ORDERING camera crews to Shut off the cameras!

Cameras often only encourage other loky-loos, tweets, etc. to act out.

 

[JeannaT]

The people who are live streaming this situation are exacerbating the problem IMO.

Thanks wasn't enough. Can everyone please look away, and go about their daily lives and ignore the people who want to be in the spotlight here? What would happen if media trucks pulled away right now and those who want their mugs on the news were ignored?

 

[Gardenlady]

This is an opportunity for Al Sharpton. He needs to be out there encouraging people to return to their homes. He needs to lead. With LE in riot gear, protestors need to prop their signs up and head in. Show the LE, media, and watching world that there is no need for riot gear, tear gas, extra.

But alas, those intelligent protestors are already home, all that is left are the thugs who want a confrontation, who want to destroy and rob. And the media. Jmo

I know some white folks love to trot out Al Sharpton and usually Jesse Jackson as some sort of boogeyman, or spokesman who should do X, Y or Z, or not be doing A, B or C, but people need to understand that neither of these guys either represent the black community as a whole, speak for the black community, or are even just respected or listened to as leaders by the black community lol. Its frankly demeaning to keep trotting out Sharpton as some sort of rallying point or voice of representation or leadership. I mean, do people do the same for ANYONE in regards to the white community?? Of course not - because no one person represents white people, speaks for white people, or is universally supported, respected, or followed by white people. Why does anyone think black people would do so for any one person??!

If Sharpton is a figure of import for anyone, it seems to be the media, and the WHITE community, who have sort of adopted him as a representational black man to focus their ire on.


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[BayouBelle_LA]

FBI warns of ‘New Black Panther Party’ leader inciting violence in Ferguson - http://wtvr.com/2014/08/13/fbi-warn...inciting-violence-in-ferguson/comment-page-1/

They are posting updates from Ferguson under the tag: Live Battle Report - http://www.newblackpanther.com/

 

[Gardenlady]

Thanks wasn't enough. Can everyone please look away, and go about their daily lives and ignore the people who want to be in the spotlight here? What would happen if media trucks pulled away right now and those who want their mugs on the news were ignored?

If media leave, if cameras are turned off, then no proof of injustice is ever recorded. There are some who will NEVER believe that LE can be corrupt, racist, and brutal. These people need proof to see with their own eyes so that they can no longer deny it.

Cameras level the field, like it or not.


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[Tawny]

While I abhor today's media with every fiber of my being, I'm not comfortable with governing forces demanding cameras be shut off.

 

[popsicle]

I know some white folks love to trot out Al Sharpton and usually Jesse Jackson as some sort of boogeyman, or spokesman who should do X, Y or Z, or not be doing A, B or C, but people need to understand that neither of these guys either represent the black community as a whole, speak for the black community, or are even just respected or listened to as leaders by the black community lol. Its frankly demeaning to keep trotting out Sharpton as some sort of rallying point or voice of representation or leadership. I mean, do people do the same for ANYONE in regards to the white community?? Of course not - because no one person represents white people, speaks for white people, or is universally supported, respected, or followed by white people. Why does anyone think black people would do so for any one person??!

If Sharpton is a figure of import for anyone, it seems to be the media, and the WHITE community, who have sort of adopted him as a representational black man to focus their ire on.


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Perhaps because he is there speaking along with Crump?

 

[Gardenlady]

He might be there, but why does anyone look to him to do something? He's not king of the black community. He shows up because he has something to say, and white media know that he gets attention from white viewers. To expect him to act, or speak, or lead is insulting. Again, no one looks to one person to speak for or to white America, do they?


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[sorrell skye]

I think they are worrying about the cameras escalating the violence. People will do crazy things for the benefit of the cameras.

I agree - some people will act out if a camera is on them.

But I can't help but feel that the officers who ordered the media to shut off their cameras may not want their own actions to be caught on camera.

LE has no authority whatsoever to suppress the media who are covering this story, even if they have a misguided noble agenda and believe that the cameras may be contributing to the escalation.

The media has every right to film what's going on. A picture paints a thousand words, more so than a print story. When an officer of the law orders the media to stop filming, it's more than likely that officer is either doing something or is about to do something that will invite deserved scrutiny, IMO.

 

[octobermoon]

In Ferguson, Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery gives account of his arrest

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e25c0e-2359-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

 

[SStarr33]

In Ferguson, Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery gives account of his arrest

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e25c0e-2359-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

that is outrageous.

 

[katydid23]

He might be there, but why does anyone look to him to do something? He's not king of the black community. He shows up because he has something to say, and white media know that he gets attention from white viewers. To expect him to act, or speak, or lead is insulting. Again, no one looks to one person to speak for or to white America, do they?


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Sharpton has his own show on MSNBC. Sounds like he is a recognized spokesman to me.

 

[octobermoon]

that is outrageous.

It is. Watch the video of part of it.

@WesleyLowery before they arrest him. Video: http://www.washingtonpost.com/postt...fc5720-2354-11e4-8b10-7db129976abb_video.html …

 

[katydid23]

I agree - some people will act out if a camera is on them.

But I can't help but feel that the officers who ordered the media to shut off their cameras may not want their own actions to be caught on camera.

LE has no authority whatsoever to suppress the media who are covering this story, even if they have a misguided noble agenda and believe that the cameras may be contributing to the escalation.

The media has every right to film what's going on. A picture paints a thousand words, more so than a print story. When an officer of the law orders the media to stop filming, it's more than likely that officer is either doing something or is about to do something that will invite deserved scrutiny, IMO.

I agree with your sentiments/ Just saying that it is a damned if u do, damned if u don't situation now. Lots of people are ramping up for the cameras and it will get uglier and uglier from here on out.

 

[popsicle]

He might be there, but why does anyone look to him to do something? He's not king of the black community. He shows up because he has something to say, and white media know that he gets attention from white viewers. To expect him to act, or speak, or lead is insulting. Again, no one looks to one person to speak for or to white America, do they?


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White media?

 

[popsicle]

Sharpton has his own show on MSNBC. Sounds like he is a recognized spokesman to me.

He is otherwise he wouldn't always be a spokesperson at these gatherings. jmo

 

[octobermoon]

The arrested the alderman who was filming too.

Michael Skolnik ‏@MichaelSkolnik
.@TefPoe reporting that the man who has given us the best coverage from #Ferguson, @AntonioFrench has been arrested pic.twitter.com/1kDFbcvA4L

https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik


His last tweet with video was 2 hours ago.

video at link- Antonio French @AntonioFrench · 2h
Happening now in #Ferguson https://vine.co/v/MYd6VBZVB0p

 

[Montjoy]

It seems to me that this discussion should really be in two threads; one to discuss this young man's death; and two, to discuss the 'riots', etc., in the aftermath. Does anyone else here agree?

 

[K_Z]

I think they are worrying about the cameras escalating the violence. People will do crazy things for the benefit of the cameras.

I agree. IMO, there is not a single person currently standing there in the streets in Ferguson at 11 pm, on the heels of all this civil unrest, chaos, violence, looting, and burning, that is there to "peacefully protest", or express "grief".

The ones on the streets right now, IMO, are baiting and antagonizing LE AND media, and inciting riots. This has little to nothing to do with what happened between the officer and the shooting of MB, IMO. Just an opportunity for a riot, express some "social anger", get on the news, and maybe some fun burning and looting for kicks. IMO. These are people who choose to incite violence, for their own personal satisfaction, IMO. They have no idea what peaceful protest is, or how to do it effectively,IMO.

Just nothing about this type of crowd "behavior" is about peaceful protest. I know peaceful, lawful protest when I see it, and this isn't it. LE is responding very appropriately, IMO, to supervise, monitor, and be ready to quell imminent riots and violence. There needs to be a strict curfew, designated protest areas and times set up, and a strong police presence. That is the ONLY thing that will curtail this kind of behavior. IMO.

These "protestors" on the street baiting and antagonizing LE at 11pm need to go home, IMO. Period. More people will be hurt or killed, and it won't be the fault of the police, IMO. Sickening behavior, IMO. Sickening that it is being "dignified" by commentators as if looting and rioting and baiting LE is somehow a reasonable response to Anything.

If I lived there, or within 5 miles, I'd pack up my family and leave until it all settled down.

 

[liljim]

a 4th witness describes Michael Brown as not trying to get into the vehicle but as trying to get away from the vehicle, shot fired from inside vehicle, Michael runs away and is shot in the back, turns with hands up and is shot repeatedly until dead.

but surely all these witnesses cant be trusted...

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...tchell-eyewitness-to-shooting-part-1.cnn.html

its so interesting to now compare peoples reactions to this case as compared with say cameron redus' case, in that case you had proof that the shooting victim had committed a crime and was being engaged for that reason, you had audio that had been reviewed and showed the officer issuing something like 50+ commands to the person that were ignored, you had two witnesses that said they saw the person fighting against and getting the better of the officer - and people defended cameron redus' through all of it, no this officers work history must prove he is a hothead, his neighbor from years ago didnt like him! he had no right to stop this man! the man was unarmed why would ever have to shoot him, all the poor kid did was fight with him for almost 6 minutes!

i wonder what ever could be different in these two cases... hmmmm i dont know, probably just one of those things...