MO - Grief and protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown

[liljim]

since it is going to be talked about we may as well get the facts straight - the rumor that is out there is that someone alleges he stole gum and ciggarillos from the QT.

totally unconfirmed, and as i said before it is not something that is alleged to be related to this contact with the police, for that and many other reasons it would not appear to be relevant to the discussion.

at this time.

 

[vulture]

Yes, some of us do know. Worse, we know those folks walking in the street could mean your car will be slowed down and possibly attacked.

They aren't walking in the middle of the road because they aren't aware that they may be hit by passing cars, they are walking in the road to INTIMIDATE and show their dominance around cars that may be trying to drive down that road.

And yes, I have seen that sort of thing, when I have seen it I have stopped the car and put it in reverse OR otherwise gotten out of there as fast as possible.

Yes, like gang grafitti and stuff like that, it's showing who owns the place.

 

[Yoda]

On his facebook, he has several photos where he is making different signs with his hands. I have no idea what they mean. He also has several photos with a new baby and other kids. Just a FYI

 

[liljim]

On his facebook, he has several photos where he is making different signs with his hands. I have no idea what they mean. He also has several photos with a new baby and other kids. Just a FYI

interesting, how is that relevant to the situation or discussion?

edit - this sounds accusatory, i did not mean it that way, i mean it honestly.

 

[popsicle]

I get that. I hope I didn't convey the idea that the rumors were that he held them up at gun point. If anything, I always understood the rumors to be that he more or less shoplifted.

Actually it was in one of the articles I posted but now they have deleted many of the things in the article, as usual.

 

[Yoda]

interesting, how is that relevant to the situation or discussion?

We have discussed gang signs, photos media is using, and individual interpretation of photos. These discussions led me to think of his fb photos and how an individual, and or media, activist, pr team, could mold MB into what they want him to represent/be. Meanwhile he is a combination of all his photos and much, much more. Jmo

He was a high school graduate, a son, grandson, friend. He might have been in a gang, shoplifted, did drugs. He might have volunteered with youth, been a Boy Scout, or just a friendly guy. He was a young, unarmed man shot by a police officer. If he was any of the above he would still deserve an investigation into his death. Again jmo

 

[liljim]

We have discussed gang signs, photos media is using, and individual interpretation of photos. These discussions led me to think of his fb photos and how an individual, and or media, activist, pr team, could mold MB into what they want him to represent/be. Meanwhile he is a combination of all his photos and much, much more. Jmo

tried to edit before you replied, yes i agree.

 

[reedus23]

Actually it was in one of the articles I posted but now they have deleted many of the things in the article, as usual.

Frustrating when they do that. Couldn't do that in the day and age of print media.

FWIW and with a huge grain of salt because they've thrown bad info out before, but Anonymous is supposed to be releasing audio from the radio communications on the day of the shooting.

 

[reedus23]

We have discussed gang signs, photos media is using, and individual interpretation of photos. These discussions led me to think of his fb photos and how an individual, and or media, activist, pr team, could mold MB into what they want him to represent/be. Meanwhile he is a combination of all his photos and much, much more. Jmo

He was a high school graduate, a son, grandson, friend. He might have been in a gang, shoplifted, did drugs. He might have volunteered with youth, been a Boy Scout, or just a friendly guy. He was a young, unarmed man shot by a police officer. If he was any of the above he would still deserve an investigation into his death. Again jmo

Well said.

 

[Sonya610]

For comparison, look at the officer closest to the camera. That is what legs and body look like when moving forward.

ETA: the young man is pushing OFF of his toes on his front leg, the officer is putting his weight on his heel (catching the momentum of forward movement).

Yes, and also note the "young man" is smiling. If someone is pointing a gun at your face would you SMILE as you backed off in fear of getting shot?

Well, you might if you KNEW they couldn't hurt you but you enjoyed teasing/threatening them.

 

[JeannaT]

I can't tell what happened here, yet, at this point, but if he truly did try to steal the officers gun I don't think that fully meets the definition of "unarmed". "Thusfar unsuccessful at stealing an officer's gun due to the officer preventing it through a physical confrontation" is not the same thing as innocent and unarmed. The picture of an innocent college freshman walking down the road to grandma's house and then getting shot for basically nothing isn't the picture that's developing in this story, IMHO.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

August 13, 2014

By Mike Caccioppoli

“Get the **** on the sidewalk.” That is how it all started. Not, “Please move onto the sidewalk” or “How about you kids walk on the sidewalk” but “Get the **** on the sidewalk.” And they want respect. The police that is. Would you respect that?

So another person, another black man was killed by a police officer. This time it was because he was walking on the street and not on the sidewalk. The last time a police officer yelled at someone for walking on the street it was probably 1950. But in 1950 a police officer wouldn’t be caught cursing at someone. What happened? They used to go out of their way to be polite even if the person they were dealing with wasn’t. They would use phrases such as “please, thank you sir, thank you ma’am.” They would do what they could to de-escalate a situation if one were to arise.






http://americathenotsobeautiful.wordpress.com/2014/08/13/an-execution-in-ferguson/

It's all in the approach.

I had an incident with a NYPD officer. I was trying to park my vehicle while going in reverse another car snuck into the space going in front first. I blew my horn, this officer came aggressively to my car window, what the f are you blaring your horn. I immediately asked him to call his supervisor to the scene. How dare you approach me in that manner? Did you not see the other car take the spot I was reversing into? We went back and forth for a bit, I asked again for a supervisor and his badge number and name...he left my window mighty fast...

So, it is in the approach, I don't know what happened that LEO do not treat all people with respect. If they want respect they need to give it..

 

[Beaglemania]

I can't tell what happened here, yet, at this point, but if he truly did try to steal the officers gun I don't think that fully meets the definition of "unarmed". "Thusfar unsuccessful at stealing an officer's gun due to the officer preventing it through a physical confrontation" is not the same thing as innocent and unarmed. The picture of an innocent college freshman walking down the road to grandma's house and then getting shot for basically nothing isn't the picture that's developing in this story, IMHO.

BBM: I disagree.

 

[reedus23]

I can't tell what happened here, yet, at this point, but if he truly did try to steal the officers gun I don't think that fully meets the definition of "unarmed". "Thusfar unsuccessful at stealing an officer's gun due to the officer preventing it through a physical confrontation" is not the same thing as innocent and unarmed. The picture of an innocent college freshman walking down the road to grandma's house and then getting shot for basically nothing isn't the picture that's developing in this story, IMHO.

IMHO there are never going to be clear answers in this case. The police can't back off of their statement that he struggled for the gun. I would expect all of the eye witnesses won't back off of their version that there was no struggle for the gun. It will be a case of which side does each individual choose to believe.

 

[JeannaT]

IMHO there are never going to be clear answers in this case. The police can't back off of their statement that he struggled for the gun. I would expect all of the eye witnesses won't back off of their version that there was no struggle for the gun. It will be a case of which side does each individual choose to believe.

The quote I was reading this morning said a bystander (I believe an older black gentleman) said there was a physical confrontation with the officer within the car and Michael Brown was outside of the car, (then presumedly is when the gun went off inside the car) and then Michael Brown was backing away with his hands in the air when he was shot multiple times. I think that's how it's going to turn out, in the final analysis. The verbal confrontation telling the young men to get out of the roadway, then Michael Brown went for his gun, the gun went off, and in the rage of the incident the cop shot him several times even though at that very moment he was no longer wrestling for the gun. The friend who was walking with him indicated that there was no physical confrontation whatsoever, which I believe is a lie.

 

[liljim]

I can't tell what happened here, yet, at this point, but if he truly did try to steal the officers gun I don't think that fully meets the definition of "unarmed". "Thusfar unsuccessful at stealing an officer's gun due to the officer preventing it through a physical confrontation" is not the same thing as innocent and unarmed. The picture of an innocent college freshman walking down the road to grandma's house and then getting shot for basically nothing isn't the picture that's developing in this story, IMHO.

hmmm what is the picture that is "developing"? because the police have not released anything that discounts multiple witness statements other than the officers account.

if you could, i would like to hear the picture that you see developing. thanx.

 

[liljim]

The quote I was reading this morning said a bystander (I believe an older black gentleman) said there was a physical confrontation with the officer within the car and Michael Brown was outside of the car, (then presumedly is when the gun went off inside the car) and then Michael Brown was backing away with his hands in the air when he was shot multiple times. I think that's how it's going to turn out, in the final analysis. The verbal confrontation telling the young men to get out of the roadway, then Michael Brown went for his gun, the gun went off, and in the rage of the incident the cop shot him several times even though at that very moment he was no longer wrestling for the gun. The friend who was walking with him indicated that there was no physical confrontation whatsoever, which I believe is a lie.

the friend has never said there was no physical confrontation, what he has said is;

the officer put his hands on michael thru the window.
michael aggressively tried to get free of the officer.
at no time did he see michael try to get the officers gun.
in short order the officers gun was out and he threatened to shoot and then actually shot seconds later.

other than the officers statements that we have heard so far do you have any single other thing to suggest there was a physical confrontation other than what witnesses have described?

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

It will be interesting to see the toxicology report on both the officer and Michael Brown.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

The quote I was reading this morning said a bystander (I believe an older black gentleman) said there was a physical confrontation with the officer within the car and Michael Brown was outside of the car, (then presumedly is when the gun went off inside the car) and then Michael Brown was backing away with his hands in the air when he was shot multiple times. I think that's how it's going to turn out, in the final analysis. The verbal confrontation telling the young men to get out of the roadway, then Michael Brown went for his gun, the gun went off, and in the rage of the incident the cop shot him several times even though at that very moment he was no longer wrestling for the gun. The friend who was walking with him indicated that there was no physical confrontation whatsoever, which I believe is a lie.

If the officer was in his vehicle, while MB and DJ were outside the vehicle, how would MB get to his gun..

The account from DJ is the officer aggressively flung his car door open and it flung back and hit the officer. The officer fires a shot from his vehicle. MB backs away, puts hands up in the air and the officer empties his gun into MB. The account is that MB is 35 feet from the vehicle. The officers account through the chief doesn't make sense...

I believe the officer through the Chief is not telling the truth..

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

It will be interesting to see the toxicology report on both the officer and Michael Brown.

I bet no tox was done on the officer..