MO - Grief and protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown

[K_Z]

No doubt. And he has lost all credibility.

And I guess we won't know if Dorian Johnson was armed, since he wasn't arrested at the scene.

 

[vulture]

When 84% of white people are killed by other white people, where is white folks' outrage and "concern" over white-on-white violence?!

I was pretty PO'd about the Jody Arias case, the Casey Anthony case, the Justin Ross Harris case, the Powell case, the Scott Peterson case, the Staci Peterson case, to name a few. There is outrage about white on white crime all over this site. I don't think people care about the color of the people involved, they care that someone was victimized.

 

[SStarr33]

BBM

WTH took the Ferguson PD sooo long to release these photos we are now seeing?

Maybe because the store was burned and it took some doing to get them?

 

[popsicle]

He knew he did not have a gun already. And it does not matter. He was RUNNING away when he was shot first according to witnesses. If he was shot in the back I am sorry, That is wrong.

How exactly did he know this? Because he didn't pull one out yet? I don't know any cop that would assume that.

 

[EGirl]

Maybe because the store was burned and it took some doing to get them?

Not the same store.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

And in turn I will ask you - so do you think police should shoot first just in case?

Wild West time, I guess.


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I do believe our country is becoming the wild wild west again. Good law abiding citizens are at war with the thugs and criminals that reek havoc here. Everyday we are seeing the lawless who are robbing businesses, murdering, and raping innocent people in home invasions, and gangs who now drive by in vehicles instead of riding horses.... who are mowing down innocent people/children down who are inside their own homes trying to survive the mayhem in their neighborhoods. We have shootouts in the streets between gang members just like we use to see in the wild west days with the lawless gunslingers.

It really is no different today than it was during the wild west when gangs came into homes, and raped and murdered innocent families just because they could. Or pilfered/looted businesses and homes and took what wasn't theirs to take simply because they could.

I now believe that MB did assault this officer and tried to take his gun away from him and in the struggle MB was grazed, imo and then tried to run from the police. He had to know the little guy at the convenience story had called the police when the officer stopped them, imo.

As far as the real truth why he fired several times that has not been fully told. YET!

IMO

 

[Sonya610]

This was not, as first reported by mother and others wanting to portray a lie, a sweet gentle young college freshman on the way to grandmother's house.

Shocking isn't it?

 

[Gardenlady]

I was pretty PO'd about the Jody Arias case, the Casey Anthony case, the Justin Ross Harris case, the Powell case, the Scott Peterson case, the Staci Peterson case, to name a few. There is outrage about white on white crime all over this site. I don't think people care about the color of the people involved, they care that someone was victimized.

My post was really more directed to some posters here and elsewhere who have said things like "why aren't they concerned about black on black crime?!".

It's a deflection tactic. I don't buy for a minute that white people are so concerned about black on black crime; and perhaps if they are they should be just as or more worried about white on white crime. Because the fact is that both black on black crime and white on white crime don't negate the problem of disproportionate force used against black men by police forces.


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[K_Z]

And in turn I will ask you - so do you think police should shoot first just in case?

Wild West time, I guess.


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When someone is identified as meeting the description of robbery AND ASSAULT suspect (from a robbery and assault only moments earlier), refuses to follow officer's instructions, assaults the officer inside of his police car, attempts to grab the officer's gun, then attempts to flee, well, yes, I do think that is justifiable force.

But that's just me. I believe the police are generally here to keep the peace and stop crime. And that means confronting those identified as the ones who have just committed a crime.

MB could have cooperated politely with the officer. Especially if he was innocent and had nothing to hide.

 

[Peliman]

I know you didn't say he was justified, but your question implied that the officer shot because he didn't know that MB was unarmed.

And so I ask, hypothetically, do you think police should just always shoot first, ask questions later?

Depends, an officer don't know until the person is detained and frisked for weapons. If the officer thought the suspect was reaching for a gun or other weapon he may believe his life was in danger. We don't know what orders the officer gave the suspect and whether he complied. Again, no determination can be made until ALL the facts are heard. Then we might be able to discuss what could have been done differently. So far it sounds like the officer had probable cause to stop and detain him. What really happened after that I'm not clear.

 

[popsicle]

And I guess we won't know if Dorian Johnson was armed, since he wasn't arrested at the scene.

Actually, iirc he said he ran home first and then came back. He said he needed to throw up. :thinking:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I think Dorian Johnson is going to be arrested and charged in the robbery as well.

What I don't understand is if this guy was involved and on video tape too, Why didn't they arrest him that very day?! He has been on the news many times. Go arrest him.
It almost seems as if the police were trying to make a mess of this on purpose.

 

[vulture]

I cannot believe how quickly the facts of this story has changed in just one morning. I have always felt there was way more to the story than had been told previously.

It doesn't necessarily mean the shooting was justified still because there is a lot to learn also, but I'm with you that I knew something was missing out of that story. Although my familiarity with the Ferguson police dates back to 15 years ago, I just couldn't understand how someone got executed for walking in the street only.

As someone who frequents Chambers Road, often at night, if someone, and I say IF someone robs a store and assaults a cop, do I want the cops to just let them go back into the neighborhood if they run? No not really.

After listening to local news this morning, and then the national news updates on the hour, the discrepancy between what's on the national news and what the local news says is disturbing. It makes me wonder what we really know about anything! This is unrelated to the first sentence in my post, just an observation!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

How exactly did he know this? Because he didn't pull one out yet? I don't know any cop that would assume that.

He knew that it was reported as a strong arm robbery. No weapon.

 

[Gardenlady]

I do believe our country is becoming the wild wild west again. Good law abiding citizens are at war with the thugs and criminals that reek havoc here. Everyday we are seeing the lawless who are robbing businesses, murdering, and raping innocent people in home invasions, and gangs who now drive by in vehicles instead of riding horses.... who are mowing down innocent people/children down who are inside their own homes trying to survive the mayhem in their neighborhoods. We have shootouts in the streets between gang members just like we use to see in the wild west days with the lawless gunslingers.

It really is no different today than it was during the wild west when gangs came into homes, and raped and murdered innocent families just because they could. Or pilfered/looted businesses and homes and took what wasn't theirs to take simply because they could.

I now believe that MB did assault this officer and tried to take his gun away from him and in the struggle MB was grazed, imo and then tried to run from the police. He had to know the little guy at the convenience story had called the police when the officer stopped them, imo.

As far as the real truth why he fired several times that has not been fully told. YET!

IMO

Wow, where do you live that things are like this? Are the suburb so much worse than they seem?!

I grew up in the inner city at the HEIGHT of gang violence, and it never seemed even close to the exaggerated picture you have painted.

Fact is, crime is down. You can easily find the statistics via google. <mod snip>


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[EGirl]

He knew that it was reported as a strong arm robbery. No weapon.

So? That makes it fact that neither was armed?

 

[Trident]

The problem is not the people.. The problem was the police dept. If they had released that DAY that there was a robbery and there was pics and video of the alleged suspect and that the officer responded to that first and then the incident took place that resulted in MB death, There would not have been any issues. Or at least not as many as now.

This police dept needs serious help.

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree. When I first heard about the death of Mr. Brown, it WAS in regards to a theft from a store. Later on, however, that completely disappeared and he became another angel, dead before his time, a victim of police gone wild. I actually began to doubt myself.

I don't know why LE didn't release these videos prior. Maybe for the same reason the original story disappeared.

Things ain't good when our country is run on lies and omissions, and I don't necessarily mean LE.

 

[Simply Caustic]

As I posted this morning - before the stills of the strong arm robbery, came to light - we don't have the facts, yet.

How can we say that the officer knowingly shot an unarmed man in the back as he was fleeing, with his hands over his head, in submission...before we have the facts? We simply don't know that, yet. It might be true, it might not. When it comes to castigating an officer of the law as a murderer, I err on the side of caution, and await more facts.

JMO

 

[Gardenlady]

It doesn't necessarily mean the shooting was justified still because there is a lot to learn also, but I'm with you that I knew something was missing out of that story. Although my familiarity with the Ferguson police dates back to 15 years ago, I just couldn't understand how someone got executed for walking in the street only.

As someone who frequents Chambers Road, often at night, if someone, and I say IF someone robs a store and assaults a cop, do I want the cops to just let them go back into the neighborhood if they run? No not really.

After listening to local news this morning, and then the national news updates on the hour, the discrepancy between what's on the national news and what the local news says is disturbing. It makes me wonder what we really know about anything! This is unrelated to the first sentence in my post, just an observation!

BBM -

So you are okay then with a suspect (not a convict, just someone who is a suspect) being killed, just to put your mind at ease?

What ever happened to charges, evidence, trials??

I guess some people are comfortable with letting cops play judge, jury and executioner??


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

So? That makes it fact that neither was armed?

He was only fighting with MB. At this point does he even know that that this is positively the same guy who robbed the store? Or is it a maybe identification.

He knows no gun was used in the robbery and assault.
And if it is MB that assaulted and stole then he deserved to be arrested, Something was not right though.

My issue is the amount of bullets and the way MB was shot. That still is officer error if he was shot running away or after he put his hands up.