MO - Grief and protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown

[SStarr33]

Would there would be blood on his shirt if he was shot in the back?

 

[K_Z]

Actually, iirc he said he ran home first and then came back. He said he needed to throw up. :thinking:

Poor thing. :thinking:

I'm sure he needed to change his clothes, too. Empty his pockets, etc.

 

[Simply Caustic]

Wow, where do you live that things are like this? Are the suburb so much worse than they seem?!

I grew up in the inner city at the HEIGHT of gang violence, and it never seemed even close to the exaggerated picture you have painted.

Fact is, crime is down. You can easily find the statistics via google. <mod snip>


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I live in Chicago. Oceanblueeyes gave an accurate description, IMO: It's a war zone.

 

[EGirl]

He was only fighting with MB. At this point does he even know that that this is positively the same guy who robbed the store? Or is it a maybe identification.

He knows no gun was used in the robbery and assault.
And if it is MB that assaulted and stole then he deserved to be arrested, Something was not right though.

My issue is the amount of bullets and the way MB was shot. That still is officer error if he was shot running away or after he put his hands up.

Umm, I'd say no he doesn't know for sure. So, how would he know if he's armed or not? :thinking:

 

[Sonya610]

He knew that it was reported as a strong arm robbery. No weapon.

That does NOT mean the suspect didn't have a weapon, just that he didn't need it to intimidate the tiny little c-store owner.

 

[K_Z]

Would there would be blood on his shirt if he was shot in the back?

No way to tell from just a distance pic of the victim on the ground. When we know the caliber of weapon, type of ammunition, distance of shot, entrance wounds, gravity of blood drips, etc there will be more to the story. There could be an entrance wound/s with no exit wound/s. Impossible to tell from a distance picture. Generally police carry substantial weapons and ammo. With things like hollow points, the entrance wound will generally be much smaller than the exit wound. The round tumbles and ricochets within tissue and bone.

 

[Gardenlady]

I live in Chicago. Oceanblueeyes gave an accurate description, IMO: It's a war zone.

Does OBE live in inner city Chicago?

Secondly - there are outliers, but violent crime statistics nationally are down. The country is not a war zone.


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

That does NOT mean the suspect didn't have a weapon, just that he didn't need it to intimidate the tiny little c-store owner.

True. What I am curious is about how this all went down when the officer approached the suspects. That is what matters to me at this point.

I have an issue with suspects being shot in the back and while surrendering. So that is what I need to get to at this point.

 

[K_Z]

That does NOT mean the suspect didn't have a weapon, just that he didn't need it to intimidate the tiny little c-store owner.

It's also possible that his companion had a weapon.

If I was MB's mother, I would be FURIOUS with Dorian Johnson. Livid.

 

[Peliman]

I also got a sneaking feeling the reason why the QS was burned was to destroy evidence (like the pictures)

I don't think QS will be rebuilding a new store in it's place. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Wow, where do you live that things are like this? Are the suburb so much worse than they seem?!

I grew up in the inner city at the HEIGHT of gang violence, and it never seemed even close to the exaggerated picture you have painted.

Fact is, crime is down. You can easily find the statistics via google. <mod snip>


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Thank goodness it doesn't happen in my area but since I have been a member of MBs for over 20 years now I read constantly. I watch the news, read online, and don't live my life in a cave. Everyone knows the things I have listed is happening all across the country. Look at how many shootings Chicago has had in just one weekend?

We live in a very violent society with violent crime happening everyday to innocent law abiding people. Try convincing the mother of a child who was killed as they slept in their own home by a drive by shooter that crime isn't a big deal and is declining. Stats don't mean diddly squat when it comes to the victims who have suffered such violence. Victims aren't statistical numbers........they are human beings.

There are still over 14K+ people murdered in our country even with the decline. And that does not include the rapes, armed robberies, attempted murders, nor life long injuries victims have received from their perpetrators.

Our country has nothing to brag about when it comes to violent crimes.

IMO

 

[SStarr33]

This reminds me of what happened after the Trayvon Martin shooting. You'd think the media would learn.

 

[katydid23]

And yes Michael brown matches the description but I want a real positive ID.

Today it seems they just posted this to smear the victim.

For Me? I don't care if he stole cigars and candy. I don't even care if he punched the clerk, that does not give the right for a cop to shoot an unarmed person in the street. Once Michael was away from the car he was not a risk. There was no reason to shoot him dead in the street.

So for me, Even if he was the perp, Even if he robbed and punched the clerk, The cop still was in the wrong.

I would like to know where the friend is in the video. Do they show Dorian in there with him???

I want to see the video. ALL OF IT.

Edited because I see the new pics.

The way I see it, if the witness lied about this, then what else is he lying about?

He said they weren't doing nothing but jaywalking. And the cop told them to 'get out of the effin street.' Looks like that was a lie.

And if MB would punch a clerk in an attempted robbery, how do we know he wouldn't punch a cop too? Especially if the cop had probable cause to stop them.

 

[Gardenlady]

Those who are fine with the cops executing folks who have neither been tried nor charged - will you feel differently when they are doing the same thing to white suspects? Use of excessive force has been going on for YEARS against people, especially men, of color. Thanks to recordings, it gets more attention now.

But excessive force happens against whites too. And it will happen more and more because people turned their heads and said they're okay with it when it was mostly just black guys on the receiving end.

My prediction: when an unarmed white person is executed by police, we will suddenly hear much more about how police have too much power, they're out of control, we have rights in this country, etc.


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[SilkySifaka]

How exactly did he know this? Because he didn't pull one out yet? I don't know any cop that would assume that.

you can't just go shooting people because you think they MAY be armed. These pics haven't changed a thing. It was still an unarmed teen, shot in the back while fleeing. It doesn't matter what he was doing before the cops even came across him

 

[popsicle]

The way I see it, if the witness lied about this, then what else is he lying about?

He said they weren't doing nothing but jaywalking. And the cop told them to 'get out of the effin street.' Looks like that was a lie.

And if MB would punch a clerk in an attempted robbery, how do we know he wouldn't punch a cop too? Especially if the cop had probable cause to stop them.

Pages ago I posted a quote from his grandmother, she drove past him just before the shooting on her way home from the store. She said he was "running" down the street.

 

[Simply Caustic]

Does OBE live in inner city Chicago?

Secondly - there are outliers, but violent crime statistics nationally are down. The country is not a war zone.

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Well, since you asked where she lived - where it was like that - and since I agree wholeheartedly with her post, I decided to chime in, and explain where it IS, in fact, like that.

Here. Although I'm sure there are plenty of other places, as well.

Statistics are valuable, but, to form opinions based solely upon stats would be unfortunate, IMO. Statistics aren't favorable to African-Americans in Chicago, insofar as being the perp - and victim- of violent crime. Doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of other murderers, rapists, and thieves of every color.

Just because the crime rate may be going down, does not invalidate the feelings of oceanblueeyes, and that's my point. It's not about the stats, it's about our personal viewpoints and experiences...at least, here at WS, it is. JMO

 

[Gardenlady]

Thank goodness it doesn't happen in my area but since I have been a member of MBs for over 20 years now I read constantly. I watch the news, read online, and don't live my life in a cave. Everyone knows the things I have listed is happening all across the country. Look at how many shootings Chicago has had in just one weekend?

We live in a very violent society with violent crime happening everyday to innocent law abiding people. Try convincing the mother of a child who was killed as they slept in their own home by a drive by shooter that crime isn't a big deal and is declining. Stats don't mean diddly squat when it comes to the victims who have suffered such violence. Victims aren't statistical numbers........they are human beings.

There are still over 14K+ people murdered in our country even with the decline. And that does not include the rapes, armed robberies, attempted murders, nor life long injuries victims have received from their perpetrators.

Our country has nothing to brag about when it comes to violent crimes.

IMO

<mod snip> I have lived it and seen people buried too young.

But when you surround yourself only with news and talk of crime and criminals, you come away with a picture that is not entirely accurate.

No, this country is far too violent, I agree. What's funny though is that same toxic masculinity that fuels much violent crime is the same toxic masculinity that fuels violent acts by LE who swagger about in their military gear and like to intimidate just regular folks by rolling up in their tanks. Same attitude, different stratas of society, but it's all okay if they have a badge to justify their thuggery.


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[K_Z]

I find it quite interesting that the scanner chatter about the robbery was, um, rather ignored by media coverage. As well as the retaliatory burning of the other QT, the spray painted message, etc.

I agree. I heard early on in this situation that there had been a convenience store robbery close by, and the officer was responding.

 

[Simply Caustic]

The way I see it, if the witness lied about this, then what else is he lying about?

He said they weren't doing nothing but jaywalking. And the cop told them to 'get out of the effin street.' Looks like that was a lie.

And if MB would punch a clerk in an attempted robbery, how do we know he wouldn't punch a cop too? Especially if the cop had probable cause to stop them.

BBM, respectfully.

This, this, a thousand times, this. Once a lie is told, every further piece of information gleaned from that individual should be inspected carefully, JMO.