MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

[jjenny]

Not that I saw. He said that he told the officer they were moving on, that the officer pulled away then stopped.

They had a block to go therefore they weren't going to get on the sidewalk from his own testimony.

 

[krimekat]

well that sounds great. It worked in Mayberry. But gangs make that very difficult. It is hard to arrest gang members and then go home to the same little neighborhood and send your kids to school there if there are criminals there also that want you dead.

yeah, Gangs! the new "father figure" IMHO most kids living in north county/north StL are in some type of gang; that's a fact!

check out why Normandy School District is unaccredited -- as well as why police forces/school districts are enveloped by the County or other municipalities; StL is a strange bird IMHO

 

[katydid23]

Not that I saw. He said that he told the officer they were moving on, that the officer pulled away then stopped.

Yes, moving on IN THE STREET, refusing to get on sidewalk.

Cop pulled away, saw they were still walking in middle of street, blocking traffic, and then perhaps heard BOLO...

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-michael-brown-dueling-narratives/

Officer Darren Wilson, who is white, told the young men either "Get the f*** on the sidewalk" or "Get the f*** out of the street," according to Johnson's accounts to CNN and other news outlets.
The young men replied that they were "not but a minute away from our destination, and we would shortly be out of the street," Johnson told CNN.
The officer drove away but stopped and backed up, almost hitting the pair, Johnson said. He said he wasn't sure what prompted the officer to return. Johnson told MSNBC the officer said something to the effect of "What'd you say?"

DJ said that the officer pulled away.

 

[LambChop]

What are the 2 chest wounds shown on the coroner's picture? I suppose it is true that our definitions might differ, would "upper torso " work better?

It is okay to ask the question but you need to provide a link to the coroner's picture so that the poster you want to respond can have a point of reference. Thanks, Lambchop

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

They had a block to go therefore they weren't going to get on the sidewalk from his own testimony.

He said they would soon be out of the street. Also DW pulled away, So it must not have been any issue right there. He kept moving on. So there was nothing in the way they acted that caused him concern at that point.

 

[cady]

Pushing it away because the cop pulled it out because MB WAS PUNCHING HIM IN THE FACE?

Obviously the gun was out. At what point it came out in the altercation at the SUV is unknown to us. Whether or not MB grabbed at it, pushed it or touched it is not known to us at this time. Whether or not DW was punched is not known at this time. Proof is in forensics. At this time, most of the facts of this event are not established. We can only speculate. Which is exactly what we are all doing. I have no idea what forensics reports will reveal. If GJ finds no true bill, the DA said that all reports will be available to the public. Maybe we will learn something then. JMO

 

[katydid23]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-michael-brown-dueling-narratives/

Officer Darren Wilson, who is white, told the young men either "Get the f*** on the sidewalk" or "Get the f*** out of the street," according to Johnson's accounts to CNN and other news outlets.
The young men replied that they were "not but a minute away from our destination, and we would shortly be out of the street," Johnson told CNN.
The officer drove away but stopped and backed up, almost hitting the pair, Johnson said. He said he wasn't sure what prompted the officer to return. Johnson told MSNBC the officer said something to the effect of "What'd you say?"

DJ said that the officer pulled away.

Thats right. He said he pulled away, but that they refused his directive to get out of the street. So right from JUMP, they were defying him.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Yes, moving on IN THE STREET, refusing to get on sidewalk.

Cop pulled away, saw they were still walking in middle of street, blocking traffic, and then perhaps heard BOLO...

That sounds like surmising. The officer moved along so he must have been satisfied with result of the conversation.. He moved away and then heard the BOLO.. And then stopped again. Most likely he had to back his car up to get back to them...

 

[krimekat]

That is not a celebration. That is pain and frustration. Yes there are a few horrible people there, and those were mainly from out of town there to make trouble. Yes there are always trouble makers but that does not mean that was the majority of the people.
It was not a celebration.

This would not have been any kind of issue IMO if the police had handled this correctly from the beginning. Been forth coming with information and treated the people better. I think the police made it worse in the way they handled it.

please !!! Hair extensions & rims/wheels/tires & cellular phones/tablets & booze, etc. I see a big "white flight" from that area in the next year! They'll move to St Charles County

I praise FPD how they TRIED to enforce laws the 1st days & I praise StL County how they tried to quell the looting but both took a step back when MSP came in (and hugged everyone) & then the MO/IL Nat'l Guard. There are not THAT many stores along W Florissant Ave to loot Thank Gawd it didn't hit downtown Ferguson which is pretty cool

There is ZERO excuse IMHO to steal !!!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Thats right. He said he pulled away, but that they refused his directive to get out of the street. So right from JUMP, they were defying him.

Sorry, If he left, then he was not too concerned about what they were doing. I don't see anywhere where they refused. If they did he would not have pulled away.
And again, That is not a crime punishable by death.

Jaywalking is not anything more than a citation and moving on. You don't get arrested for jaywalking.

 

[jmcgladr]

It is okay to ask the question but you need to provide a link to the coroner's picture so that the poster you want to respond can have a point of reference. Thanks, Lambchop

It was posted fairly recently, in the last few pages (not by me) - do I need to repost it?

 

[katydid23]

He said they would soon be out of the street. Also DW pulled away, So it must not have been any issue right there. He kept moving on. So there was nothing in the way they acted that caused him concern at that point.

No, because when he backed up he reportedly said ' What'd you say?" So probably he thought the boys were going to step to the sidewalk, but as he pulled away he saw they werent and probably heard them saying NO, we are staying here...

 

[Sonya610]

OK, if MB was quite some distance away from OW when he was fatally shot, how could he be trying to take OW's gun away? Extendable arms? It's not speculation, it's logic.

Uhhh...the statements regarding taking the officer's gun involved the attack in the CAR!

Logic.

 

[jjenny]

He said they would soon be out of the street. Also DW pulled away, So it must not have been any issue right there. He kept moving on. So there was nothing in the way they acted that caused him concern at that point.

Read his actual statements, not paraphrasing. Soon be off the street meant when they got to their destination, not when police officer told them to get off the street.

 

[Lovejac]

It would show they struggled over the gun. This entire incident, from start to finish, happened in 50 seconds. I think this officer was blindsided.

That still blows my mind.

The whole thing happened in just 50 seconds

 

[katydid23]

Sorry, If he left, then he was not too concerned about what they were doing. I don't see anywhere where they refused. If they did he would not have pulled away.
And again, That is not a crime punishable by death.

Jaywalking is not anything more than a citation and moving on. You don't get arrested for jaywalking.

I am not sure how you can say they they didnt refuse. As you have said, Dorian said NO, we are a block away, we will be out of street soon. THAT IS REFUSING THE DIRECTIVE TO GET OUT OF THE STREET.

 

[jjenny]

Sorry, If he left, then he was not too concerned about what they were doing. I don't see anywhere where they refused. If they did he would not have pulled away.
And again, That is not a crime punishable by death.

Jaywalking is not anything more than a citation and moving on. You don't get arrested for jaywalking.

By his own admission, they wouldn't get off the street.
Read his actual statements.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

No, because when he backed up he reportedly said ' What'd you say?" So probably he thought the boys were going to step to the sidewalk, but as he pulled away he saw they werent and probably heard them saying NO, we are staying here...

That line right there, Shows me DW Being less like an officer and more like someone who was offended, and it bothers me. I don't know if that was true or not. And you are surmising..

He left, Pulled away. He was good and moving on. Only stops and seems like backs up after hearing BOLO.

 

[jjenny]

That line right there, Shows me DW Being less like an officer and more like someone who was offended, and it bothers me. I don't know if that was true or not. And you are surmising..

He left, Pulled away. He was good and moving on. Only stops and seems like backs up after hearing BOLO.

And? When police officer hears a BOLO, he shouldn't apprehend the suspect? What are you arguing here? I don't even get it.