MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

[ScarlettScarpetta]

By his own admission, they wouldn't get off the street.
Read his actual statements.

I did, and again, I don't see as this has to do with anything. Jaywalking at most. write a ticket and move on.

I will wait to compare both accounts but for me, I see issues with how this started and what is being reported.

 

[TheDuchess]

I have a question - why were they walking down the middle of the road to begin with? I google mapped it and that road is a 2 way main drag through the neighborhood with a yellow line down the center. It isn't just a regular street. It has a lot of apartment complexes, so I would imagine there would be fairly regular traffic through there. Even on google maps, all of the people that were captured on there are walking on the sidewalk, so walking down the center of that street doesn't seem like a regular thing. I for one, cannot stand when kids or anyone are walking down the street and refuse to move out of my way, as if daring me to hit them or something. (Kids do it in my neighborhood sometimes and then give you daggers for simply wanting to pass them.) It seems like they were doing the "this is my street and you will just have to go around me" type of thing. I mean who cares if his grandmas house is only a block away? the street is for cars and there are sidewalks there! Sounds to me like they were trying to prove a point and looking for trouble. And then to specifically tell the officer - NO - we will get out of the street when we are ready to. WOW...just WOW!!! So, in my opinion, when the facts come out we will find that these 2 men robbed a store, walked down a busy street and refused to move, then provoked a confrontation which culminated in...well...we all know the rest.

 

[jmcgladr]

Uhhh...the statements regarding taking the officer's gun involved the attack in the CAR!

Logic.

We were discussing the period of time when MB was fatally shot. He was not grabbing for OW's gun at that time. He couldn't have been. He would need to be right beside him to grab his gun. Whether or not he grabbed OW's gun in the car is both speculation and a separate point. MB was not fatally shot at that time.

 

[katydid23]

That sounds like surmising. The officer moved along so he must have been satisfied with result of the conversation.. He moved away and then heard the BOLO.. And then stopped again. Most likely he had to back his car up to get back to them...

He moved along because he assumed they would step out of the street. He gave them an order and kept going, then saw in his mirror that they were refusing. jmo

eta: they were blocking traffic. Do u really think he would have been satisfied hearing the teens say we will be gone after a block?

 

[bettybaby00]

He said they would soon be out of the street. Also DW pulled away, So it must not have been any issue right there. He kept moving on. So there was nothing in the way they acted that caused him concern at that point.

They were asked to get out of the street. I doubt OW said, "get out of the street when it's most convenient for you."

IMO saying, "well we're almost at our destination" is, in and of it self, an act of defiance. Yes, OW does come back to them, possibly he heard the BOLO, or maybe he came back b/c his directive was ignored. (I've personally seen cops do this) cop gives someone a directive and moves off, but will then check that his directive was complied with. Either way, the situation clearly escalated soon after, so I don't exactly get what you're saying.

 

[jjenny]

I did, and again, I don't see as this has to do with anything. Jaywalking at most. write a ticket and move on.

I will wait to compare both accounts but for me, I see issues with how this started and what is being reported.

Alleged robbery doesn't have to do with anything, walking in the middle of the street doesn't have to do with anything.
What does have to do with anything?

 

[Sonya610]

Read his actual statements, not paraphrasing. Soon be off the street meant when they got to their destination, not when police officer told them to get off the street.

I believe Darien actually stated "It was not but a minute to our destination"

:drumroll:

 

[tfog]

I found this video on youtube when I searched "police response time." The first part shows response time for a guy with a knife in close quarters. The second part talks about police response time outside and shows about an officer drawing his weapon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igSoJHEdUo
The next thing we'll be hearing is--if DW was in his SUV (truck)--then why didn't he drive away? IMO.

 

[Lovejac]

What are the 2 chest wounds shown on the coroner's picture? I suppose it is true that our definitions might differ, would "upper torso " work better?

They were re-entry wounds

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

And? When police officer hears a BOLO, he shouldn't apprehend the suspect? What are you arguing here? I don't even get it.

That is not what we are discussing. We were discussing the original incident. First time they had an interaction. Of course an officer responds to a BOLO but I still don't have a clear cut vision on if this was a good shoot or not. At this point, I don't see it as a good shooting. I see problems with a lot of the facts and evidence so far.

 

[Elley Mae]

That line right there, Shows me DW Being less like an officer and more like someone who was offended, and it bothers me. I don't know if that was true or not. And you are surmising..

He left, Pulled away. He was good and moving on. Only stops and seems like backs up after hearing BOLO.

And the problem with that is?

 

[LambChop]

It was posted fairly recently, in the last few pages (not by me) - do I need to repost it?

If you insist on having a poster answer you and you posted it recently there should be no problem reposting it for discussion.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

He moved along because he assumed they would step out of the street. He gave them an order and kept going, then saw in his mirror that they were refusing. jmo

eta: they were blocking traffic. Do u really think he would have been satisfied hearing the teens say we will be gone after a block?

That is not what the chief said. HE said that he only stopped again after hearing the bolo. That it had nothing to do with them being in the street.

 

[krimekat]

What are the 2 chest wounds shown on the coroner's picture? I suppose it is true that our definitions might differ, would "upper torso " work better?

from what I gather on the visuals that have been provided:

re-entry above his nipple
re-entry in his neck
eye shot
head shot

nope, not "shot in the chest" or the back IMHO

Oh, and no "emptied clip"

 

[jmcgladr]

They were re-entry wounds

Ah OK, thanks for clarifying.

 

[aa9511]

The conclusion also seems to have been made that MB is completely innocent. It's an odd phenomenon, folks can speculate about info and evidence favorable to MB based ONLY on very flimsy witness accounts, but anything favorable to DW is discredited, minimized, or claimed to be false information.

First, there has to be evidence of facial injury. We have that, Balmer's statement. Unless you think the chief of a totally different dept. lied in public, risking his rep if he made it up. So, intellectually, saying we don't know if there is a facial injury is disengenuous.

Then, it's context of facial injury. Any supposition that the face injury was from a punch and there are cat calls that people have concluded DW is innocent and hoping for evidence to support. Any supposition it was from the car door bouncing back is believed as gospel, even as the witnesses have been more or less discredited and shown as liars.

There is far more information to suppose Wilson was justified than excessive in force at this time. As far as legal matters before the GJ, yes, we should wait. As far as matters here for discussion, I fail to see why some insist on the snarky comments that people have concluded Wilson is innocent and folks are hoping for evidence to prove it. So far, every piece of information has been more favorable to DW than Mike Brown, save for the very shaky witnesses who can't pass my smell test, much less a veteran investigator or trial lawyer.

I have no dog in this fight, if Wilson is guilty, string him up. But if he's not, let's not convict him to gain retribution for social injustices that are totally unrelated. One question to ponder...if the cop was just looking to bust a cap in someone, why the gentle giant and not Dorian? Why the guy who stole the smokes, flashed gang signs, and was much tougher to tangle with? Seems to me Dorian was the much easier mark and the primary negotiator according to DJ himself. So, why Mike?

I think I was completely valid in my reply to posts which clearly stated that the poster(s) hoped that such-and-such evidence favorable to OW would be found. That was the clear tone of the posts.

Yes, I agree that it goes both ways. You can call me or others out on that. Why can't those supporting Officer Wilson also admit to this like I am? Instead, there is denial denial denial. So yes, the moderation should go both ways. It's not fair, IMO, to ask one side to "back down," while not asking the other. Isn't that just recipe for disaster?

I have stated before that I think both OW and MB were disrespectful to each other from the beginning. BOTH. I believe my stance is more moderate and fair than those who are claiming that OW is totally innocent.

Some are denying that OW said anything or did anything disrespectful to MB. I disagree. I think he said and/or did something which set MB off, that is my own personal opinion. Yes, MB should NOT have reacted. But after all, we are human and that is sometimes harder to do than say.

I also think MB took the officer's power and authority for granted, and was disrespectful by not just frickin' moving out of the sidewalk.

JMO.

 

[krimekat]

Not that I saw. He said that he told the officer they were moving on, that the officer pulled away then stopped.

and why would anyone believe DJ?

based on his past interactions with LE not to mention his differing interviews with the <modsnip> Stream Media

 

[Sonya610]

He moved along because he assumed they would step out of the street. He gave them an order and kept going, then saw in his mirror that they were refusing. jmo

Sorry but small correction. He gave them a verbal warning instead of citing them for obstructing traffic.

Walking in the middle of the street and obstructing traffic is a misdemeanor offense, yet the officer did not cite them.

Officer Wilson was being nice!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

They were asked to get out of the street. I doubt OW said, "get out of the street when it's most convenient for you."

IMO saying, "well we're almost at our destination" is, in and of it self, an act of defiance. Yes, OW does come back to them, possibly he heard the BOLO, or maybe he came back b/c his directive was ignored. (I've personally seen cops do this) cop gives someone a directive and moves off, but will then check that his directive was complied with. Either way, the situation clearly escalated soon after, so I don't exactly get what you're saying.

Maybe he just said, "Hey guys can you get out of the street " and kept on moving?

Maybe it was not the incident that DJ made it to make this officer look angry or aggressive.

 

[DebinGA]

That's no reason to not even TRY the taser, IMO! It sounds like the officer in the case you described acted properly. MB did not have a gun, edged weapon or anything else pointed at OW.

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A ratings bonanza awaits NG if she'd reenact the car "altercation" with Vinnie Politan playing DW and Daryl Parks playing Big Mike.