MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

[Trident]

This happened near me. I am still shocked!
Officer was serving a warrant, knocked Chris Roupe said who is it? He got no answer, opened the door and she shot him point blank in the chest. He was 17. No Bill 2nd time around.
She thought he had a guy, it was a Wii controller.
imo OW will not be charged.
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/2014/07/16/euharlee-police-shooting-beth-gatny/12753503/
Original story
http://opnateye.com/?p=1001
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What does the bolded part mean?

 

[Linda7NJ]

What does the bolded part mean?

Thought it was a gun...and it was a controller from a video game


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[tlcya]

Did Mike Brown play football for his school?


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I believe I read he played basketball but have read nothing indicating he played football. I do not have the link handy but the basketball playing is in media thread posted by my in an article that described MB life. That article went on to say that his coach wanted him to use his imposing size on the court but it was something MB was not comfortable with. Don't shoot the messenger, just relaying what I recall about the article.

 

[sorrell skye]

On the topic of why didn't Officer Wilson "just try" a TASER:

TASERS launch two electrodes affixed with barbs. According to several law enforcement commentators that have given interviews on cable news channels these past weeks, both barbs must attach to the clothing of the subject in order for the current to flow. If one of the barbs fails to attach, nothing happens. Another disadvantage to using a TASER is that you only get one shot, and then you have to reload the gas cartridge that deploys the electrodes.

So let's suppose that Officer Wilson's version is factual, and let's put ourselves in his shoes for a moment: a 6'4" 292 lb. man has just punched you in the face and struggled with you to try to gain possession of your firearm. You are alone without anyone else to back you up or offer protection against this very real threat.

If that man runs away from you, but then turns around and begins advancing upon you again, are you going to have enough time to take out your TASER, discharge it, hope that both barbs attach to the subject's clothing, and hope that the electrical current disables him before he reaches you? If the TASER fails, are you going to have enough time to then draw your firearm in order to protect yourself before the subject reaches you?

Or, are you going to fire your gun (the same gun that the 6'4" 292 lb. man had only seconds before tried to wrestle from you), believing that if you don't shoot him, you may more than likely end up dead, shot & killed with your own firearm?

If Officer Wilson's version is factual, and if his version is corroborated by the alleged 11-12 witnesses (not to mention the unknown witness heard on Black Canseco's video), the proposal of "trying" a TASER first in the face of an imminent threat is not feasible, nor is it proper police protocol, IMO.

There is a time and a place to deploy a TASER. In my view, this was not one of them.

 

[krimekat]

IMO MB was not "falling", the wounds he received in his right arm were just that, non immediately life threatening wounds which means the injuries could not begin to stop a 300 lb 6'4" violent individual.

I believe MB was coming at Off. Wilson with his head down so he could tackle/plow him down and take control of the gun, or more likely strangle/beat him to death. There is a reason football players crouch over when they want to tackle an opponent, and I believe that is exactly what MB did.

and according to his profile, he played football sometime during attending HS

 

[tlcya]

Here's Judge Jeanine with Dorian's attorneys Bosley and Williams:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKBfPePO6dM

Oh my, thank you so much for linking that. Y'all were right. That was one hot mess. I still don't know what I just watched?? Those attorneys and their responses were unusual to say the least.

 

[DebinGA]

What does the bolded part mean?

Wii game controller, like for a PlayStation

 

[krimekat]

Lawd let this go to trial pronto LOL a bit much for my brain. Its going to explode on here...lmao

never will be a trial IMHO

 

[jjenny]

I believe I read he played basketball but have read nothing indicating he played football. I do not have the link handy but the basketball playing is in media thread posted by my in an article that described MB life. That article went on to say that his coach wanted him to use his imposing size on the court but it was something MB was not comfortable with. Don't shoot the messenger, just relaying what I recall about the article.

He didn't seem to have any problem to use his imposing size with a store clerk.

 

[liloleme]

Lawd let this go to trial pronto LOL a bit much for my brain. Its going to explode on here...lmao

You're seriously hoping for a trial?

I'm hoping the GJ has sense enough to not waste tax payers money to go to trial. It's clear who's guilty here.

 

[Trident]

I doubt there will be a trial.


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If there is any truth and decency left in this country, there won't be. However, if you take a look around at the Ukraine, Gaza, Syria, Fukushima, ebola, and a few others, I wouldn't bet on it. I believe Ferguson was possibly a lucky tragedy, to take our eyes off the way our planet and inhabitants (animal and human) are being destroyed. What I see is black and white being set at each others' throats.

:cow:

 

[liloleme]

Oh my, thank you so much for linking that. Y'all were right. That was one hot mess. I still don't know what I just watched?? Those attorneys and their responses were unusual to say the least.

Well, when you lie, and you're caught in your lies.. it gets a bit uncomfortable (but entertaining, nonetheless..LOL)

 

[bettybaby00]

Oh my, thank you so much for linking that. Y'all were right. That was one hot mess. I still don't know what I just watched?? Those attorneys and their responses were unusual to say the least.

Crazy right!

 

[tlcya]

On the topic of why didn't Officer Wilson "just try" a TASER:

TASERS launch two electrodes affixed with barbs. According to several law enforcement commentators that have given interviews on cable news channels these past weeks, both barbs must attach to the clothing of the subject in order for the current to flow. If one of the barbs fails to attach, nothing happens. Another disadvantage to using a TASER is that you only get one shot, and then you have to reload the gas cartridge that deploys the electrodes.

So let's suppose that Officer Wilson's version is factual, and let's put ourselves in his shoes for a moment: a 6'4" 292 lb. man has just punched you in the face and struggled with you to try to gain possession of your firearm. You are alone without anyone else to back you up or offer protection against this very real threat.

If that man runs away from you, but then turns around and begins advancing upon you again, are you going to have enough time to take out your TASER, discharge it, hope that both barbs attach to the subject's clothing, and hope that the electrical current disables him before he reaches you? If the TASER fails, are you going to have enough time to then draw your firearm in order to protect yourself before the subject reaches you?

Or, are you going to fire your gun (the same gun that the 6'4" 292 lb. man had only seconds before tried to wrestle from you), believing that if you don't shoot him, you may more than likely end up dead, shot & killed with your own firearm?

If Officer Wilson's version is factual, and if his version is corroborated by the alleged 11-12 witnesses (not to mention the unknown witness heard on Black Canseco's video), the proposal of "trying" a TASER first in the face of an imminent threat is not feasible, nor is it proper police protocol, IMO.

There is a time and a place to deploy a TASER. In my view, this was not one of them.

Some have suggested that perhaps OW should have used his taser during the "tussle" in the car. I have tried and tried to find info on whether it is recommended or cautioned against or covered in any way by either manufacturers or police policy or training to use a taser from within your vehicle during close combat situation.

Did any of those commentators you watched touch on that at all? TIA

 

[al66pine]

Originally Posted by Elley Mae . I had not watched it till now....... The police were TOTALLY justified in the actions of eliminating the threat. jmo Apparently Kajieme Powell wanted to die that day.jmo

So if a mentally ill man wants to commit "suicide by cop" should the police just comply, in your estimation? Even if the man is not threatening them/lunging at them etc.?

If PersonA w knife in hand is within ~20 ft of PersonB, typically A can stab or slash B within ~3 sec.
So, I've read, quoting from LE training materials, and IIRC from FBI training for other LE.
In the vid I saw, it appeared, imo, Powell was less than 20' ft from LE.
I could be wrong.

 

[sorrell skye]

Some have suggested that perhaps OW should have used his taser during the "tussle" in the car. I have tried and tried to find info on whether it is recommended or cautioned against or covered in any way by either manufacturers or police policy or training to use a taser from within your vehicle during close combat situation.

Did any of those commentators you watched touch on that at all? TIA

No, they didn't.

My understanding is that a TASER is typically used in situations when the subject is 15-20' away and when the subject is stationary and unarmed.

 

[DebinGA]

[SIZE=+1]Law enforcement officer's use of force in making an arrest. [/SIZE] 563.046. 1. A law enforcement officer need not retreat or desist from efforts to effect the arrest, or from efforts to prevent the escape from custody, of a person he reasonably believes to have committed an offense because of resistance or threatened resistance of the arrestee. In addition to the use of physical force authorized under other sections of this chapter, he is, subject to the provisions of subsections 2 and 3, justified in the use of such physical force as he reasonably believes is immediately necessary to effect the arrest or to prevent the escape from custody.
2. The use of any physical force in making an arrest is not justified under this section unless the arrest is lawful or the law enforcement officer reasonably believes the arrest is lawful.
3. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force only
(1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or
(2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested
(a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or
(b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or
(c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.
4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section.

 

[liloleme]

Some have suggested that perhaps OW should have used his taser during the "tussle" in the car. I have tried and tried to find info on whether it is recommended or cautioned against or covered in any way by either manufacturers or police policy or training to use a taser from within your vehicle during close combat situation.

Did any of those commentators you watched touch on that at all? TIA

Doesn't matter what the manufacturer says. The manufacturer doesn't make the law. OW could have shot him in the "tussle" in the car. That's the law. And using a taser would have been against every logical, thinking, sane thought.

 

[tlcya]

No, they didn't.

My understanding is that a TASER is typically used in situations when the subject is 15-20' away and when the subject is stationary and unarmed.

Thanks. that was my understanding too but was wondering if it had been specifically addressed because there are those who feel that was the action that the officer should have taken.

 

[jjenny]

Doesn't matter what the manufacturer says. The manufacturer doesn't make the law. OW could have shot him in the "tussle" in the car. That's the law. And against every logical, thinking, sane thought.

Manufacturer doesn't make the law, but it makes a taser. So it knows how that taser should or shouldn't be used.
If you use it wrongly, you can end up tasing yourself.