MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

[LambChop]

Aren't Tasers usually used when there are at least two officers. Would not make sense for one officer to use one when he has no backup if he should miss. If anyone knows for sure could you post the answer to that? Thanks in advance.

 

[CHERIE.T]

gngr,


Thanks for the snapshots of OW. Very interesting.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Elley Mae posted this---
http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...390_story.html

Experts on police shootings say the investigation, including the grand jury deliberations, will focus on whether Wilson had a reasonable perception of being threatened with bodily harm. The experts say it does not matter how many bullets Wilson fired. Police are trained to shoot at the center of mass and stop the threat.

Some very impt info that hasn't been mentioned by MSN much...typical.

 

[cady]

Jumping off your post...

I'm beginning to believe that those who find little or no justification for a police shooting, regardless of the law, and regardless of the circumstances involved--which BTW are the components to determine a justifiable shooting--are really stating they'd rather not have LEO armed at all :dunno:

Even crazy guy with knife is being debated.

Not trying to be snarky, but IF the the statement from PC B is accurate, the fact that MB was unarmed, and not in close proximity to OW still = a justifiable shooting, not the other way around.

If we want to argue that we don't have all the evidence yet to support the statement the police chief put out there, then that's a worthy discussion.

JMO eace:

JMO I Cannot speak for others, nor can others speak for me. I just want to know if the killing was justified by law, according to actual facts, or not. There are circumstances where killing is justified, I agree with that. And if the facts and circumstances do not meet justification, in a COURT OF LAW, then I expect the defendant to be dealt with fairly and equally. That's all. JMO

 

[Sonya610]

and of course if they frequent that store the clerks would know them. The clerks at the UGas in my 'hood know me on site (after 3 yrs)

He didn't assault a clerk, that was the owner (though the owner doesn't want that stated).

Notice here was NO bullet proof glass up at that store, there will be in the future. This has changed Ferguson forever.

 

[Kimster]

:modstop:

We don't post addresses on here - we LINK to MSM articles that post addresses, if any are necessary to be made public.

 

[bettybaby00]

Okay, I have some questions. One concerns the robbery at the store. Did the store owner know MB? How far was the store from where MB lived? If the owner knew MB why wasn't MB afraid the crime would be reported??? And why was there no concern with DJ, who really did not want to get on the wrong side of LE, with complying with what the officer asked them to do?

*My impression from MSM is they were approx. 1/4 mile from store, and "almost @ their destination"
*its possible clerk recognized MB, IRRC he had been living in the neighborhood for approx. 8 months
*maybe he wasn't worried about the shop clerk reporting him b/c this wasn't the first time; & maybe store clerk decided he wasn't going to let him walk out this time without saying something; or maybe MB was under the influence, and didn't consider the above :dunno:
*I'm not exactly sure what your last question is, but I'll take a shot ...according to Brady statement, DJ was not next to MB at the window, and seems to have not run away in the same manner as MB. For me, I've gotta conclude he wasn't looking to hassle with police. :dunno:

JMO

 

[liloleme]

JMO I Cannot speak for others, nor can others speak for me. I just want to know if the killing was justified by law, according to actual facts, or not. There are circumstances where killing is justified, I agree with that. And if the facts and circumstances do not meet justification, in a COURT OF LAW, then I expect the defendant to be dealt with fairly and equally. That's all. JMO

I'm curious.. no one has answered this for me.. what would be a circumstance where killing would be justified?

 

[DebinGA]

He didn't seem to have any problem to use his imposing size with a store clerk.

MB seemed totally "nonchalant" ... relaxed and unconcerned ... not like a first-time offender.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

well, IMHO MB was not "murdered/executed" by LE -- I guess it's semantics

No, one is fact the other is opinion. The man was not strangled. he was shoved. FACT.

I don't think that MB was murdered either but he was killed by an officer and so there needs to be just cause. I just don't see the whole case yet.

 

[bettybaby00]

JMO I Cannot speak for others, nor can others speak for me. I just want to know if the killing was justified by law, according to actual facts, or not. There are circumstances where killing is justified, I agree with that. And if the facts and circumstances do not meet justification, in a COURT OF LAW, then I expect the defendant to be dealt with fairly and equally. That's all. JMO

Yup....No argument from me.

 

[tlcya]

He didn't seem to have any problem to use his imposing size with a store clerk.

I agree, and when I get a chance I will see when that article was published. Before or after the store video illustrating MB mandhandling (shoving-hard) the owner and then returning to thrust his body and face toward the man in a threatening manner. Because yes, everyone has bad days, but the MB that has been portrayed as a gentle giant does not align with what is seen in that video.

Now granted everyone has a bad day now and then and can act out of character, but whether physical intimidation and disregard for law, order, and authority was his normal practice, it sure seem to have been his practice on that day.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

JMO I Cannot speak for others, nor can others speak for me. I just want to know if the killing was justified by law, according to actual facts, or not. There are circumstances where killing is justified, I agree with that. And if the facts and circumstances do not meet justification, in a COURT OF LAW, then I expect the defendant to be dealt with fairly and equally. That's all. JMO

I agree. There is so much here but without knowing all the facts and details and evidence it is hard to come to a conclusion at this point in truth.

 

[LambChop]

What is the definition of assault:

In common law, assault is the act of creating apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact with a person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault

 

[DebinGA]

Oh my, thank you so much for linking that. Y'all were right. That was one hot mess. I still don't know what I just watched?? Those attorneys and their responses were unusual to say the least.

Attorney James Williams, colleague of DJ attorney Bosley, said to Judge Jennine (sp):

"There's been a lot of misinformation - a lot of attempts to distract from the truth. The truth here is that these two unarmed young men were running down the street away from a police officer when he chased them and gunned them down. He didn't try to apprehend them without using deadly force."

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm curious.. no one has answered this for me.. what would be a circumstance where killing would be justified?

For me? One in which the shooting falls under and into the guidelines of a good shooting when all the facts are in. I believe the shooting of the man with the knife was a correct shooting. This one I am still on the fence.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Frydaddy, great post.

You mentioned a few so called eye witness reports to the actual incident between MB and OW.
Did you watch one of the first released cell vids made after MB died?
I heard at least 3 imo different voices say --omitting the f's and mf's and paraphrasing:
The cop stood over him and shot him. :scared:
The cop shot and he (MB) didn't do nothin. :notgood:
The cop shot him in the back over and over.

People who were not eye witnesses made stuff up as they stood there.
Sickening imo.

 

[cady]

If there is any truth and decency left in this country, there won't be. However, if you take a look around at the Ukraine, Gaza, Syria, Fukushima, ebola, and a few others, I wouldn't bet on it. I believe Ferguson was possibly a lucky tragedy, to take our eyes off the way our planet and inhabitants (animal and human) are being destroyed. What I see is black and white being set at each others' throats.

:cow:

JMO Really? I see stubborn ingrained ideologies as the horror of humankind. JMO

 

[bettybaby00]

Attorney James Williams, colleague of DJ attorney Bosley, said to Judge Jennine (sp):

"There's been a lot of misinformation - a lot of attempts to distract from the truth. The truth here is that these two unarmed young men were running down the street away from a police officer when he chased them and gunned them down. He didn't try to apprehend them without using deadly force."

There's some major misinformation right there IMO.

 

[aa9511]

One thing I completely don't understand is that after OW shot MB, and MB and Dorian were running away....why did he shoot him more?

I don't think even those who don't think OW did a single thing wrong will be able to answer that.

Why couldn't he have called for backup? Is it common practice in police work that if an unarmed man is running away from police, they have to shoot him down in order to arrest him?

I am thinking that probably the protocol is to call for backup, but I'm not really sure. I do know that it cannot possibly be correct protocol to shoot people for the purpose of arresting them.

This is where, in either version (Dorian or OW), there is no justification. IMO.

Wouldn't it be convenient for OW to claim that MB was charging at him and that's why he shot him more times? Because, IF it's the case that MB was running away from him, then he (OW) really does not have an answer for that.

JMO.

I do think both OW (through the caller) and Dorian are changing things in favor of both of them. Right now I don't wholly believe either of their stories.