MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

[gngr~snap]

I think MB was in the process of disarming OW when he ran. OW was trying to stop him and arrest him.
Did he really think he could just bounce? (leave the scene) and OW would let him go?

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[popsicle]

KrimeKat:

I read that there was supposed to be another rally to support Officer Wilson today. I think they will have another presser at 3PM (CST?). Have you heard anything about it?

ETA--I guess MSM can't be bothered with these rallies because they aren't violent or provocative enough. :facepalm:

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Officer Wilson supporters out again. Getting lots of honks of support from passerby.

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[krimekat]

KrimeKat:

I read that there was supposed to be another rally to support Officer Wilson today. I think they will have another presser at 3PM (CST?). Have you heard anything about it?

ETA--I guess MSM can't be bothered with these rallies because they aren't violent or provocative enough. :facepalm:

<modsnip> Stream Media was there yesterday but didn't bother showing up today -- which is fine & dandy 'cause we are just supporting LE & how they sacrifice their lives for ours . . .

We're going to be at Barney's again next weekend . . . we have jobs! We can't protest 24/7

NOTE: we're protesting way far away from Ferguson

 

[bettybaby00]

My Mother did. In OC md. She crossed costal hwy 9:30 at night and got hit, while my brother watched from the balcony. She suffered a banged up body and a bump on her head but other wise she was ok. She was in the wrong, yeah she went court and the boy (young adult) did not get charged. There are pedx crossing there and she elected to run across and got hit.

Yes, being in the street can often have horrible consequences, even if you are in a crosswalk.
These two weren't even attempting to cross the street, the were just walking in the middle of it, and intended to do so "until they arrived at their destination."

 

[DebinGA]

I think MB was in the process of disarming OW when he ran. OW was trying to stop him and arrest him.
Did he really think he could just bounce? (leave the scene) and OW would let him go?

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Usual reaction is either fight or flight, but MB chose fight-flight-fight. jmo

 

[bettybaby00]

I think MB was in the process of disarming OW when he ran. OW was trying to stop him and arrest him.
Did he really think he could just bounce? (leave the scene) and OW would let him go?

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It seems that way, and many believe b/c he was "fleeing" he no linger posed any threat. Which is not how the law works.

 

[Trident]

None. You? Didn't think that was necessary in order to post here.


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None. But, I asked the question because you said:

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. . . I am not a forensic examiner, but the pattern of gun shots, to me, matches the pattern that someone falling while being shot at repeatedly would have.


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If you've had no experience, how can you tell what the pattern is? Just sayin'

 

[krimekat]

He was not strangled.. He was shoved.
What we do know is that walking in the street was not so important to DW or there was nothing that happened in that first interaction that caused any concern for DW to stop and address it. So it had to be innocuous. I think that DJ made more of that to make it look like DW was aggressive from the beginning but that does not fit with even his account of DW moving on.

not what I saw on the video - that dude was scared of MB

 

[branwynbreeze]

I am finding it harder and harder to believe no one took a decent vid/pix of "murder" with all those cameras out there.

Yeah and they are laughing. They don't seem so upset that there is a dead man laying in the street. They care more about laughing and joking about LE. :facepalm:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

not what I saw on the video - that dude was scared of MB

He may have been scared but he was shoved out of the way. He was not strangled.

 

[Elley Mae]

He may have been scared but he was shoved out of the way. He was not strangled.

Why was he in the way?

 

[cady]

Oh wow, okay thanks. Can't say I didn't try.

:seeya:

If anyone is aware of any link to the various distances between DW and MB for the duration of the event please please please post! My understanding is that the GJ will view the official reports before they will be released for public consumption. If that is true, no one can make a factual statement about the distances in this forum, unless they can copy the documents to show us. JMO

 

[bettybaby00]

I'm sure it will be shown that MB didn't just "touch" the gun. That carries the connotation of an accidental, unintentional action.




Are you saying that in order for an officer to be JUSTIFIED in shooting a person, the suspect has to be *actively* taking away the officer's gun at the time they are shot? Surely not.

Jumping off your post...

I'm beginning to believe that those who find little or no justification for a police shooting, regardless of the law, and regardless of the circumstances involved--which BTW are the components to determine a justifiable shooting--are really stating they'd rather not have LEO armed at all :dunno:

Even crazy guy with knife is being debated.

Not trying to be snarky, but IF the the statement from PC B is accurate, the fact that MB was unarmed, and not in close proximity to OW still = a justifiable shooting, not the other way around.

If we want to argue that we don't have all the evidence yet to support the statement the police chief put out there, then that's a worthy discussion.

JMO eace:

 

[tlcya]

I have my own view on the pattern of wounds and what they indicate. I am no ME, medical professional or forensic examiner. Hasn't stopped me from coming to conclusions based on research reading and what I feel is logical along with bits and pieces of witness accounts (minus their own assumptions and interpretations of what they saw).

At the end of the day we are all just speculating. JMO

I think that officers squeeze off rounds until the perceived threat has ended. It is my opinion that happens in a matter of seconds and that officers are not trained to stop after each round fired to see if it was effective or not. Nor do I feel they should be. They are trained to react in split seconds in life threatening situations.

It is entirely possible that Brown was in the process of falling from his wounds IMO. If Wilson's account is what I think it will be no amount of monday morning quarterbacking can say officer Wilson should have stopped shooting as his aggressor was falling because there IMO there is no time for the brain to process whether a man is hit, is falling, is coming down into a tackle stance, is falling forward or is rushing forward. We are discussing events that happened in the course of seconds, milliseconds even.

All of the above is just my opinion and no link will be provided.

 

[katydid23]

He may have been scared but he was shoved out of the way. He was not strangled.

He was grabbed by the throat though. Are you justifying the way this big lug treated that little old man?

 

[liloleme]

Sorry, If he left, then he was not too concerned about what they were doing. I don't see anywhere where they refused. If they did he would not have pulled away.
And again, That is not a crime punishable by death.

Jaywalking is not anything more than a citation and moving on. You don't get arrested for jaywalking.

Link where it says he pulled away.

I read that he backed up..

 

[Trident]

He may have been scared but he was shoved out of the way. He was not strangled.

Praise the Lord for small favors, shall we?

 

[gngr~snap]

This happened near me. I am still shocked!
Officer was serving a warrant, knocked Chris Roupe said who is it? He got no answer, opened the door and she shot him point blank in the chest. He was 17. No Bill 2nd time around.
She thought he had a guy, it was a Wii controller.
imo OW will not be charged.
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/2014/07/16/euharlee-police-shooting-beth-gatny/12753503/
Original story
http://opnateye.com/?p=1001
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[liloleme]

I have stated before that I think both OW and MB were disrespectful to each other from the beginning. BOTH. I believe my stance is more moderate and fair than those who are claiming that OW is totally innocent.

I see no evidence AT ALL that shows that OW was disrespectful.

OTOH, I see tons that show the other two were, starting from the robbery and going forward according to their defiance to comply. (according to Dorian himself)

Do you have links that indicate OW was disrespectful or is that just your feeling that he probably, might have been?

 

[Sonya610]

I think MB was in the process of disarming OW when he ran. OW was trying to stop him and arrest him.
Did he really think he could just bounce? (leave the scene) and OW would let him go?

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I think MB was not thinking rationally. He tried to disarm Officer Wilson, he tried hard BUT when the gun went off he lost his nerve momentarily. The gun blast had to be extremely loud inside the car. He decided to flee.

But then...Officer Wilson "provoked" him by yelling FREEZE or STOP or some other command! When he saw Officer Wilson standing their challenging him and yelling commands with a weapon drawn well...he decided to take him UP on that challenge!