MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #10

[popsicle]

The drawing as prepared by Baden and signed by both he and Parcells is the attachment to my post. Parcells during the press conference pointed out on the drawing of the rear of the body and indicated with a red mark where he thought it could be possible one of those arm wounds came from behind. While running, your arms are not stationary by your side they are in motion, pumping back and forth. The wound he indicated MIGHT have come from behind but no one can say conclusively was a wound to the to the inner forearm. When running, and pumping arms back and forth, that section of the inner forearm can be exposed.

The photo at this link shows a screen shot of the press conference and you can see the red mark on the arm on the rear view of the body in the drawing. http://triblive.com/mobile/6636507-96/autopsy-brown-wecht

Hope that helps

The mark is only added to the blown up version isn't it?

 

[Muffet]

While I don't agree with it I understand where the parents are coming from. It is easier to point the finger at someone than accept that your child made choices that lead to their own death. They are pouring there grief into the "cause" thus not truly grieving their son. In a way they are in denial that he is gone. I am on the fence in this case so I am not saying it is all Michaels fault because I don't know that. I believe these two were each hurricanes and once collided they made the perfect storm. However I believe the catalyst was the fact that they did not listen to the officer and instead the confrontation ensued. If I just committed a crime and ran into an officer I would be all "yes sir, sorry sir", then get my behind out of there. This is a sad case all around. I am sure OW has played the scene out in his mind over and over again thinking of different scenario's. Also do we blame the officer or the system which creates the mentality in some of these officers. If I don't go after him I will be a coward, wont live it down etc. A system which gives a man the power to determine whether or not to take someone's life. Essentially he could have stayed in his vehicle and followed behind until back up arrived. He should have been able to determine he was unarmed. So what if he takes off into the bush (not sure if there is bush there) you call in the dogs etc etc. To me there are always other ways however he had limited time to decide. So I get it, and yes I have read the laws and when it is justifiable, so that is why I question why we blame the officer when essentially it is the system.

If I were a resident or anywhere in the area, I wouldn't want a cop to let MB run off where I could have been the next person who got in MB's way.

 

[DebinGA]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...kerricks-indictment-reveals.html#.U_qDz2NbcdU

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[Tawny]

While I don't agree with it I understand where the parents are coming from. It is easier to point the finger at someone than accept that your child made choices that lead to their own death. They are pouring there grief into the "cause" thus not truly grieving their son. In a way they are in denial that he is gone. I am on the fence in this case so I am not saying it is all Michaels fault because I don't know that. I believe these two were each hurricanes and once collided they made the perfect storm. However I believe the catalyst was the fact that they did not listen to the officer and instead the confrontation ensued. If I just committed a crime and ran into an officer I would be all "yes sir, sorry sir", then get my behind out of there. This is a sad case all around. I am sure OW has played the scene out in his mind over and over again thinking of different scenario's. Also do we blame the officer or the system which creates the mentality in some of these officers. If I don't go after him I will be a coward, wont live it down etc. A system which gives a man the power to determine whether or not to take someone's life. Essentially he could have stayed in his vehicle and followed behind until back up arrived. He should have been able to determine he was unarmed. So what if he takes off into the bush (not sure if there is bush there) you call in the dogs etc etc. To me there are always other ways however he had limited time to decide. So I get it, and yes I have read the laws and when it is justifiable, so that is why I question why we blame the officer when essentially it is the system.

But then who gets the blame when the person running away from the cop feels desperate enough to go take a hostage or something? "The cop should have stopped him" Lose/lose.

 

[bettybaby00]

I have a question. Looking at the autopsy diagram, if MB was hit in the arm while he was running away wouldn't the ME have marked the diagram to reflect that the wound was visible from the back? And when you run where are your arms. Are they very close to your body or away from your body?

Official diagram, released

Then @ the press conference, according to the highly esteemed "professor"

Gotta give 'em points for being creative.

 

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[tlcya]

The mark is only added to the blown up version isn't it?

Correct. The first attachment I posted was of the actual drawing that accompanied the report and was signed by both men. The red mark appears to have been drawn onto the blown up version used in teh press conference. I do not recall if it was drawn on DURING the presser or if it was already on there before the presser started, but either way it was not on the drawing as signed off on by Dr. Baden. Which is important to my impression of and thinking about that wound and the theory it came from behind but it does seem possible so I won't debate it. I simply accept it as possible but believe it not to be probable in light of those other wounds.

 

[Alison]

I am not going to assume that the officer is going to lie about anything. So far he has not been caught in any lies, because he has only told his story to the investigators. And his family.

Dorian has told several blatant lies. So he has lost all credibility, imo.

I don't believe the officer would intentionally lie however our minds work in mysterious way. Your version of reality may be different than mine. Also self preservation kicks in and we end up believing a truth that may not be a truth.
In regards to Dorian and his credibility well that is why I say that the evidence will give us the real story it has no reason to lie.

 

[popsicle]

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[teedie2]

I don't live anywhere NEAR Ferguson and I'm peeved at this. I'm a nonviolent person though, no worries! However, please explain why a police officer who shot an unarmed suspect to death should be commended and generously monetarily rewarded by the public? If the shooting is found justified, he should be able to live his life, but as of now, he has his job and his pay and the police force and union defending him - why does he need a windfall of cash too? Why should he be able to buy a freaking HOUSE because he took someone's life? If he was an ordinary citizen, people would find that outrageous!

OTOH, why should a person who is capable of committing a strong-arm robbery upon a much smaller person be given the status of "unarmed" .. his size and strength were his weapons. On other threads, the perp of a s-a robbery would be called a "bully," and that is what he was doing to the storekeeper. The police officer is being demeaned, people are lusting for his death, other people are trying to "find something on him" to his detriment, his livelihood is in jeopardy, and his life. I feel that the attack upon the officer was caused by "knowledge of guilt" ... a few days away from starting college (we are given to understand), and that could slip away if he were arrested for the s-a robbery. MB did not know that DW was unaware of the robbery. That could have influenced MB's "state of mind" when stopped by DW. People are giving to DW because they WANT to, don't you think? Maybe because DW is the target of riots, threats, etc. I wonder if he could even perform the duties of a LEO after this. He did as he was trained to do under the circumstances, and just look at the chitstorm that has befallen him.

DW did not know whether MB had firearms, knives, other weapons, and apparently his vision was impaired by the blow he had received from MB. He might not have been able to focus clearly and therefore had fear for his life. So, he shot, as best he could, and in accordance with his training.

This is JMO.

I've kept pretty quiet on here, but want to say that I am sorry for all involved in this situation, EXCEPT agitators, rabble-rousers, professional demonstrators, and anyone else who doesn't protest in an orderly and meaningful fashion. And those who just lie as a means to an end.

Again ... just my opinion, more like just my thoughts. Opinions after we learn more about events.

 

[popsicle]

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[Muffet]

Official diagram, released

Then @ the press conference, according to the highly esteemed "professor"

Gotta give 'em points for being creative.

Just wow.
I hope Parcells and not just the person who published the image cut off Baden's name in that second pic.

(Considering his previous misuse(s?) of other doctor's signatures, according to the St Louis article.)

 

[LambChop]

Official diagram, released

Then @ the press conference, according to the highly esteemed "professor"

Gotta give 'em points for being creative.

So why is Parcells signature on there if he did not actually perform the autopsy and why is his signature above Dr. Baden's? Would that be normal?

 

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[Phoebeb]

Absolutely right. He was almost gone and felt the need to huff and puff at the owner who dared to approach him. That last move he made says a lot as far as that "gentle giant's" aggressive manner. Why the rage? Why not just leave with your loot?
DJ looks like the gentle, passive one in comparison by far. In fact, I feel a little bad for DJ since I don't think he went into that store with the idea of stealing, then all that followed.

Can you believe a thief would walk into a store, steal a $50 item and then instead of making a bee line for the door and getting the heck out of there, he would turrn around and rough up the store owner a little bit before he left?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Official diagram, released

Then @ the press conference, according to the highly esteemed "professor"

Gotta give 'em points for being creative.

This is awesome!!!

I'm so glad you've posted them together!!!!

THANK YOU!!!

Brilliant post!


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[tlcya]

MOO everything about Parcells participation in that autopsy was unusual and anything but normal. It is normal for Baden to sign and date the drawing. I am not as familiar with assistants and whether they normally sign off on such items but it appears to me that his name was added after and above Baden's signature and date.

 

[SStarr33]

It really seems to me that the officer was paraphrasing that quote. I can't imagine a teen boy who is not in prep school talking like that!

IIRC, Eddie Haskel was not in prep school.

 

[bettybaby00]

Good post. I think some have a real problem with this case because they are very concerned about the current laws, training and protocol that OW was acting under. If that is the case then maybe those should be examined and protested against. This case has brought up so many side issues that are not necessarily directly speaking to this case at hand but to larger, more broad concerns. Race, politics, depressed economy, disenfranchised youths, police training and policy, etc. But right now, OW stands in the midst of the firestorm of all those concerns, most of which are not in his control and never were.

JMO. Thanks for a good post which gave me a jumping off point to delve further.

Jumping off your post.

IMO, if Police Chief's short, yet to the point statement is true--MB assaulted OW, a struggle for the gun ensued, and a shot was fired--then OW had no choice but to stop the the threat MB posed.

Those are the actions of an extremely dangerous, and violent person. That is a protocol that is most likely never, ever, never going to change. An officer in this situation has a duty to protect himself, and the community at large. assaulting an officer, and attempting to take his gun is never going to be an action that police are taught to tolerate, or that it's a situation which can be negotiated.

Of course this argument only holds if what the Police Chief said actually happened. And IMO, the fact that Parks has been forced to admit there was a "serious altercation, his gun coming out, and a shot fired" tells me that's exactly what happened.

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

OTOH, why should a person who is capable of committing a strong-arm robbery upon a much smaller person be given the status of "unarmed" .. his size and strength were his weapons. On other threads, the perp of a s-a robbery would be called a "bully," and that is what he was doing to the storekeeper. The police officer is being demeaned, people are lusting for his death, other people are trying to "find something on him" to his detriment, his livelihood is in jeopardy, and his life. I feel that the attack upon the officer was caused by "knowledge of guilt" ... a few days away from starting college (we are given to understand), and that could slip away if he were arrested for the s-a robbery. MB did not know that DW was unaware of the robbery. That could have influenced MB's "state of mind" when stopped by DW. People are giving to DW because they WANT to, don't you think? Maybe because DW is the target of riots, threats, etc. I wonder if he could even perform the duties of a LEO after this. He did as he was trained to do under the circumstances, and just look at the chitstorm that has befallen him.

DW did not know whether MB had firearms, knives, other weapons, and apparently his vision was impaired by the blow he had received from MB. He might not have been able to focus clearly and therefore had fear for his life. So, he shot, as best he could, and in accordance with his training.

This is JMO.

I've kept pretty quiet on here, but want to say that I am sorry for all involved in this situation, EXCEPT agitators, rabble-rousers, professional demonstrators, and anyone else who doesn't protest in an orderly and meaningful fashion. And those who just lie as a means to an end.

Again ... just my opinion, more like just my thoughts. Opinions after we learn more about events.

Excellent post...

Can you even imagine if Officer Wilson is indicted?
What officer of the law would even show up to do the job?

IMO


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