MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #11

[deoneta]

I've been google researching about grand juries. I'm not citing any links as I'm not sure which if any would be acceptable so this is just my take, MOO and nothing more. Grand juries serve two purposes, to advance criminal proceedings to the trial stage if an indictment is handed down and to protect citizens from frivolous prosecutions. At federal grand jury proceedings, the prosecutor is not obligated to present exculpatory evidence. This isn't always the case with state/local grand juries. In some states, prosecutors are required to present exculpatory evidence. I can't find anything that says whether or not MO is one of those states, but there is nothing that precludes prosecutors from presenting exculpatory evidence in any state if he or she chooses. Generally, a prosecutor, given the choice, would not present exculpatory evidence, but may choose to do so to gather further information from witnesses or to test how any exculpatory testimony plays before a jury. All MOO.

 

[UdbCrzy2]

Where did they get all this money for the Michal Jackson or the Kennedy funerals? <modsnip>

This might help. I know if this becomes a criminal case, MO crime victims can receive up to 5k to pay for funeral/burial costs.

Donations for Brown's family poured in at the rally. Speakers announced that all three of Brown's siblings would receive full college scholarships. TV's Judge Greg Mathis announced that he would give the family $10,000. Sharpton said his National Action Network would pay for Brown's funeral. He encouraged others to give the family money. Donors filled several large baskets with cash. Sharpton said the money would go directly to the family.

http://www.9news.com/story/news/2014/08/17/ferguson-police-protests-mike-brown/14212453/

 

[Truthy]

But there's a time and place for grievances. You can lodge a formal compliant later.

I once had a township police officer blow through a red light with no lights or sirens and barely missed my vehicle by inches. I had my son in the car...
I was so shaken... I had to pull over to stop physically shaking.

I filed a formal complaint.

I was treated with kindness and respect too and received a phone call from the "whoever is the top guy" I forget his exact title who assured me it would be dealt with and thanking me for bringing it to their attention.

Could that all have been lip service? Maybe. But I like to think that report made it into the file of that officer and he was reprimanded for it.

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Unless they called you back, it surely went in the garbage. SOP is to write the report and let it gather dust until the time the civilian follows up, otherwise it will not get filed. Unless they already have a beef with that cop, they won't use it. I'm from a family of cops, and proud of them, but they do see things as us and them, and they come first.
I am sure that he got a lecture about it though.

 

[popsicle]

that is a very good point !!!
was the catalyst that began the unrest and subsequent looting

who did he release the tape to? I vote he will not being doing interviews with CNN!

re It screams to me that witnesses are being coached. He learned a bunch of new words in that great You TUbe posted recently. A quick study?

RE Ok, I guess I get that, it just seems odd to me. Me too your star witness no less. We all should remember tho, that the prosecutor is the only one who decides who is a witness I think?

Has anyone heard a story on CNN that is NOT breaking news? Man if something serious was really going on conditioning would result in most just blocking it out!

Re if they do not sound close

to you did they sound close?

JMO With Crump involved, it is a very real possibility.... thinking Zimmerman trial here.

 

[cady]

To the poster that suggested the storey about OW backing up came fom OW supporters saying he backed up when he heard the BOLO, I first heard it from DJ.

OK I deleted my original response. I do not remember who spoke of back-up first, but as I recall, it was the accepted story in discussions up until today, as far as I can tell. Others who responded to my post are free to delete it if they want to. Sorry to all for the error. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The trope "if it bleeds it leads," didn't make the mainstream media cover the Christian-Newsom torture-murder case.

Imo, there was a reason why the national media refused to touch that particular case but that would be O/T and subject for another thread.

 

[Kimster]

You guys are not to sleuth the families and friends in this case, unless it's reported in MSM.

:tos:

 

[Foxfire]

Retire and write a book maybe?

Think Dr Baden, already has a book or two on the market. Likely why he waved his normal $10,000.00 autopsy fee, imo...

http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Reckoning-Science-Catching-Killers/dp/0684852713
Dead Reckoning: The New Science of Catching Killers Paperback – September 4, 2002
by Michael M.D. Baden (Author), Marion Roach (Author)

 

[CARIIS]

re: Not that its important, but the audio suggests to me that at least four shots (after the pause) came after MB turned & faced OW. If all four shots hit MB (big If) that leaves 2 shots hitting MB at the car or as he was rumming away.

or he was getting closer and maybe easier to hit him?

RE IDK, I think the lawyer said he "realized" the "import" of the recording later.

Anyone find it credabile that humm how to phrase this, one might recall earlier that after his session the biggest story in the world was happening. IMO the delay was becasue of the chat that was going on at the time IMO

 

[Truthy]

I am confused. How did this audio get released me too Lamb anyone know? IN the old days attribution was given on anything!

RE Did they say what took him so long to come forward with this so-called bombshell

IMO becasue of the foreground dialog.

re supporters saying he backed up when he heard the BOLO,

that is how I recall it too. It made sense to me BUT the first day they said he did not know about the strong arm robbery ..... so like everything else thus far.................

The audiotape guy said he didn't know he caught it till he listened to the tape a week later.
I think the backing up story came from the girl who called in all the talk shows with her third hand account, and yes the police chief orignally said OW did not know about the robbery at all. But from what I saw, he made a few conflicting statements.
What I am curious about is did ANY witnesses there see Michael Brown IN the car? Seems like everyone said his head got pulled in. Strikes me that four separate people would make up such an odd occurrence. I tend to believe he was never in that car. Hopefully the crime scene was processed correctly.

 

[bwt42]

So what do you think the first volley of shots were about? They were NOT warning shots.

I think the first group of shots hit MB in the arm. OW waited to see if he would stop and he didn't, then the last shots hit the head.

I think it supports the Mike Brady account that MB was hit in the arm as he ran & he turned around clutching his are to face OW & was shot again. Brady says MB took a couple of steps forward.

 

[UdbCrzy2]

The audiotape guy said he didn't know he caught it till he listened to the tape a week later.
I think the backing up story came from the girl who called in all the talk shows with her third hand account, and yes the police chief orignally said OW did not know about the robbery at all. But from what I saw, he made a few conflicting statements.
What I am curious about is did ANY witnesses there see Michael Brown IN the car? Seems like everyone said his head got pulled in. Strikes me that four separate people would make up such an odd occurrence. I tend to believe he was never in that car. Hopefully the crime scene was processed correctly.

BBM

I'm sure that crime scene was processed with the utmost care.

I've heard on the MSM about the body laying out in the street for 4-hours like that's unusual. It is not. That body is one of the last things to be removed from that scene. The technician have to collect so much evidence, take measurements, trace evidence, ballistics, etc.

 

[reedus23]

OK I deleted my original response. I do not remember who spoke of back-up first, but as I recall, it was the accepted story in discussions up until today, as far as I can tell. Others who responded to my post are free to delete it if they want to. Sorry to all for the error. JMO

It looks like it came from the friend of the cop's wife when she called the radio station giving Wilson's version of events. She says he goes in reverse back to them.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/witnesses-say-ferguson-teen-attacked-cop-before-shooting/

 

[popsicle]

Lilly A. Fowler &#8207;@LillyAFowler 4m
Folks outside of City Hall preparing to march in sweltering heat for #mikebrown



Lilly A. Fowler &#8207;@LillyAFowler 2m
Demonstrator in front of city hall #mikebrown

 

[tlcya]

I think MB was hit (shoring wound to hand) by the very first shot fired and then that same bullet went on to chest at car. I think he bolted and OW tried to pursue fleeing suspect who had just tried to disarm him while continuing to fire at said suspect. First volley of shots - approx 6. I think the rest of those were misses whether because of bad aim or difficulties focusing because of an injury from the "tussle" or trying to get himself out of car and focus on suspect as suspect ran all the while as he fired.

Second volley of shots (four or five to my ear) comes as MB turns and is advancing, returning toward OW. Those shots connect first with arm, then as MB pulls his arm in toward his stomach (guarding his wounded arm) he ducks down and rushes, trying to make himself a smaller target as he advances (ala football rushing tackle style) and suffers the two head shots during that second round of shots fired.

JMO

 

[bwt42]

If I remember right, Brady said he saw OW shooting at MB as he ran away. Brady ran outside & saw MB facing OW clutching his stomach. He sees OW shoot again as MB took a couple of steps forward. Any "hands in the air" not seen by Brady would have had to come in the second or two it took to run outside. IDK. The whole audio tape only took 8 secs from first shot to the last when OW was out of his car.

 

[JLSChook]

His attorney doesn't want him to give the details of what happened that day???

He's already given his details on what happened that day to the media.

Why do they all the sudden want to shut Dorian up??

Because :liar:

 

[DebinGA]

Not that its important, but the audio suggests to me that at least four shots (after the pause) came after MB turned & faced OW. If all four shots hit MB (big If) that leaves 2 shots hitting MB at the car or as he was rumming away.

In DJ's first public audio (with big dude's hand on his shoulder) he said that after DW failed to pull MB into the cruiser, he got mad, pulled his gun, and threatened to shoot. DJ said then,

"And in the same moment, the first shot went off. And we looked down, and he was shot, blood coming from him, and we took off running."

At the end of that video, DJ describes MB turning around in surrender, and DW "stood over him firing".

Is there somewhere actual quotes are being collected and added to?

Here are some from an abridged version of Chief Belmar's press conference the day after the shooting iirc: [from me watching and writing down what I heard him say]

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/10/ferguson-police-officer-shoots-kills-teen-community-outraged/

"The genesis of this was a physical confrontation"

" ... allegedly pushed the police officer back into the car, where he physically assaulted the police officer"

"It is our understanding at this point in the investigation that there was a struggle over the officer's weapon"

"There was at least one shot fired from within the car"

 

[CHERIE.T]

I don't think the lack of support for your comments is necessarily because people think it is not POSSIBLE for MB to have had a spiritual side.

I think the cynicism regarding the "spiritual revelations" has far more to do with the fact that we have heard so MANY lies from the folks supporting MB that this strikes folks as yet another lie.

The fact that the story about his spiritual revelation was told to the MEDIA makes it seem especially suspicious. I can see a story like that being told as part of a eulogy at his funeral, but telling reporters?

Exactly.

 

[bwt42]

It looks like it came from the friend of the cop's wife when she called the radio station giving Wilson's version of events. She says he goes in reverse back to them.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/witnesses-say-ferguson-teen-attacked-cop-before-shooting/

It also came from DJ. So it came from both sides. It Might be true.