MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #11

[CARIIS]

I need help.What am I missing here. Wolf is still thrown off by 10 shots - when you all first heard did you not conclude he missed some? Come on media . AM I crazy - the illogic of the media just astounds more and more with each day.

I became really aware during MAl 370 goodness it border on dumb IMO

 

[jggordo]

It looks like it came from the friend of the cop's wife when she called the radio station giving Wilson's version of events. She says he goes in reverse back to them.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/witnesses-say-ferguson-teen-attacked-cop-before-shooting/

I believe the first of the "backing up" came from the young lady who took one of the first videos. The spoke to the fact the screeching tires is what caused her to look out her balcony. Then she went to the other room to get her phone to record. She was the one waiting for her boss to come and pick her up. I don't know which link because there are so many now. So, IRC.

JMO

 

[reedus23]

It also came from DJ. So it came from both sides. It Might be true.

You're right about DJ. Didn't mean to exclude him. I thought the issue being addressed was if it ever came from the Wilson camp. I thought Jackson had something along the same lines when he tried to clean up his statement that the 1st contact had nothing to do with the robbery, but I can't find it so I might be mistaken.

 

[Bernina]

Still trying to catch up after taking a break yesterday.

THIS! ^^^

Something about this tape smells rotten to me. It is bizarre. Something like this has Crump/Parks written allllllll over it.

I find it almost unbelievable that this recording is authentic due to the fact that this person on the video chat had zero response to the shots whatsoever. I don't care who you are or where you live, when you hear that many gunshots, you SAY something, or react somehow.

This isn't passing my smell test. At all.

Sounds totally authentic to me. I've lived right up next to Gunsite Training Center for almost 20 years. I can usually tell what type of firearm is being shot. I can also tell if shots are being fired from my neighbors and if I'm being shot at.
I also lived for a very short time in a very bad part of San Jose, Ca., and you learn pretty quickly when the "sound" of gunfire is reason to hit the deck or go on with your business.
If a semi auto is being fired, you expect bursts of several shots, a revolver usually has more lag time between shots unless a person is very proficient with their firearm.
It's all about how well you know how to discern where the shots are being fired and the area where you live in as to how you react.

 

[K_Z]

Not sure if this has been posted here previously-- I don't remember discussion about a lawsuit, just a FOIA

There has been a lawsuit filed to release the juvenile record of Michael Brown. I've added the link to the media thread.

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[CARIIS]

IMO I think it could be taken like what people mean by in the car. Like would some say in the car meaning entirely in the car or like halfway in the car - would that be "in" the car - am I saying it right?

The audiotape guy said he didn't know he caught it till he listened to the tape a week later.
I think the backing up story came from the girl who called in all the talk shows with her third hand account, and yes the police chief orignally said OW did not know about the robbery at all. But from what I saw, he made a few conflicting statements.
What I am curious about is did ANY witnesses there see Michael Brown IN the car? Seems like everyone said his head got pulled in. Strikes me that four separate people would make up such an odd occurrence. I tend to believe he was never in that car. Hopefully the crime scene was processed correctly.

 

[CHERIE.T]

So on CNN this morning, they had 2 attorneys on, calling this new audio tape A GAME CHANGER, supporting MB, and saying the pause means...something. I am not clear what it means, but they are saying it better be taken right to the GJ because it will ensure an indictment.

So why is the pause such a 'game changer?'

I would think it totally depends upon what OW already told the investigators. I thought he said MB ran off, then turned back around, and came at him again...IF SO, the pause makes sense. IMO :cow:

I've listened to the audio several times. I hear what I believe is 10 shots.
5 shots -a pause-5 more shots, imo.
I will admit I'm confused as to what the talking heads think the pause means. It last maybe what 3-4 seconds.
Why does the pause mean OW did something wrong?

 

[CARIIS]

Somehow it got reported in the media that he was going to "college".The sluther yesterday who did great stuff with the commerical liscense was amazing. It translates to if he had gone through the AC class and one needs the other liscense for months, before being able to apply for commerical liscense that would trnslate to him having to wait months and months to get career going.? Just imo

Re: MB's religious discussion/revelation of beliefs, shortly before death, per MB's father

BBM SBM

Is it poss that MB was high on something, when he allegedly made stmts re belief? Could be.
Or could a parent be indulging in wishful thinking?

Sorrel
No disbelief from me about your experiences & beliefs.
No disbelief about your telling me now about your experiences.

OTOH, if you had not particularly been immersed in your faith & beliefs - whatever they may be -
and if your parent states, in conversations just before (hours or weeks) your unexpected death,
that you had professed your religious beliefs,
and if your parent appeared on MSM, talk shows, engaged counsel for 'justice' and presumably a wrongful death action,
well, I see potential for parent's stmt to be biased, self serving, and curiously timed.

Esp if I found no other evd you proclaimed those beliefs or experiences while you were living.
A video show you committing a strong arm robbery minutes before your death may factor in my thinking as well.
JMO MOO IMO

 

[reedus23]

I've listened to the audio several times. I hear what I believe is 10 shots.
5 shots -a pause-5 more shots, imo.
I will admit I'm confused as to what the talking heads think the pause means. It last maybe what 3-4 seconds.
Why does the pause mean OW did something wrong?

Just my own opinion, but what the pause and the timing does is, it makes everything beforehand irrelevant. Knowledge of robbery or no knowledge. Fracture or no fracture. Struggle for gun or struggle to get free. At that point (after that pause) it becomes, do you believe MB was in surrendering himself to arrest (in which case deadly force was not immediately necessary to effect the arrest) or did he charge head first at DW (in which case deadly force was immediately necessary to effect the arrest).

 

[CARIIS]

IMO the second pic is rather distasteful.

Lilly A. Fowler &#8207;@LillyAFowler 4m
Folks outside of City Hall preparing to march in sweltering heat for #mikebrown
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Lilly A. Fowler &#8207;@LillyAFowler 2m
Demonstrator in front of city hall #mikebrown
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[bettybaby00]

that is a very good point !!!
was the catalyst that began the unrest and subsequent looting

who did he release the tape to? I vote he will not being doing interviews with CNN!

re It screams to me that witnesses are being coached. He learned a bunch of new words in that great You TUbe posted recently. A quick study?

RE Ok, I guess I get that, it just seems odd to me. Me too your star witness no less. We all should remember tho, that the prosecutor is the only one who decides who is a witness I think?

Has anyone heard a story on CNN that is NOT breaking news? Man if something serious was really going on conditioning would result in most just blocking it out!

Re if they do not sound close

to you did they sound close?

BBM

For real :lol:

 

[UdbCrzy2]

Not sure if this has been posted here previously-- I don't remember discussion about a lawsuit, just a FOIA

There has been a lawsuit filed to release the juvenile record of Michael Brown. I've added the link to the media thread.

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While reading that petition, I could just hear Nancy Grace saying 'Bombshell'.

I'm interested in seeing what happens. Thanks for posting it.

 

[TheDuchess]

BBM

I'm sure that crime scene was processed with the utmost care.

I've heard on the MSM about the body laying out in the street for 4-hours like that's unusual. It is not. That body is one of the last things to be removed from that scene. The technician have to collect so much evidence, take measurements, trace evidence, ballistics, etc.

BBM-ITA - They talk as if they just left it sitting there all alone without any care in the world, as if he was forgotten there and abandoned. Like you said, there was a tremendous amount of work to be done during that time, and if it hadn't been processed correctly, people would be screaming about that as well.

I do have a question, however....does anyone know if and when a barrier was ever set up to block the view of the body? I feel really bad for any little ones that may have been allowed to wander around and saw that scene. Very scary stuff to see right in front of your own house. If I were to see that as a child, I cannot imagine the nightmares I would have and the horrible visions it would bring to my mind every day I simply walked out of my house.

 

[aa9511]

The only person I have seen say that OW backed up was DJ.
If you or anyone has a link to the chief or anyone else saying it, could you please link it for us?

I found DJ's backup claim consistent with the chief's saying that OW realized they fit the BOLO during (not before) the incident, and I don't think this latest information necessarily contradicts a backup, but either way, I want to keep who said what and when straight.

So do we have a link to the chief's saying OW backed up?

Yeah sorry, I looked and you're right....I couldn't find anywhere that said the police chief talked about backing up. I thought I read it somewhere that police chief said that too. Sorry. I read 2 or 3 places, they all said that he said the confrontation began at the car. But as far as I know, he didn't really elaborate or give any details. Like for example, it could have been that Dorian was right, that OW told them to get off the street, then drove away, then backed up. In that scenario, the confrontation i.e. physical confrontation which was what police chief was referring to, did start at the car. So they could both be technically right, it's just that Belmar might be leaving out a chunk of the story. IDK.

Belmar, police chief, IMO did not give enough details, so we really don't even know what the police department thinks happened.

JMO.

 

[popsicle]

Lilly A. Fowler &#8207;@LillyAFowler 7m
Right now in front of Eagleton courthouse #mikebrown

 

[CARIIS]

and we should remember that Baden said

Some (plural?)of the bullets entered and exited several times, including one that left at least five different wounds.


so that could translate to more than just the 6 missed expaling more and more firing. By that I mean if one bullet casued more than the 6 then the actual notion that he was shot six times by 6 different bullets does not add up -- your with me !

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/u...-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

 

[popsicle]

Not sure if this has been posted here previously-- I don't remember discussion about a lawsuit, just a FOIA

There has been a lawsuit filed to release the juvenile record of Michael Brown. I've added the link to the media thread.

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It backs up his tweet... that Brown had a lengthy juvi record and had been charged with 2nd degree murder. jmo

 

[UdbCrzy2]

BBM-ITA - They talk as if they just left it sitting there all alone without any care in the world, as if he was forgotten there and abandoned. Like you said, there was a tremendous amount of work to be done during that time, and if it hadn't been processed correctly, people would be screaming about that as well.

I do have a question, however....does anyone know if and when a barrier was ever set up to block the view of the body? I feel really bad for any little ones that may have been allowed to wander around and saw that scene. Very scary stuff to see right in front of your own house. If I were to see that as a child, I cannot imagine the nightmares I would have and the horrible visions it would bring to my mind every day I simply walked out of my house.

I thought that a sheet covered him, but I don't know when they did that.

I am a member of Parents of Murdered Children and it's very difficult to see your loved one laying dead while crime scene technicians work the scene. This is a thing that happens often, sometimes they don't even cover up the body because there is so much to process. I've heard a lot of stories about it before.

 

[CARIIS]

That is really important the 8 seconds. Cause it has to mean that everyone who reported having to go get their phone or go outside, or move to a diff window (only Superman can move that quick!) "to see" events really could not doesn't it?

If I remember right, Brady said he saw OW shooting at MB as he ran away. Brady ran outside & saw MB facing OW clutching his stomach. He sees OW shoot again as MB took a couple of steps forward. Any "hands in the air" not seen by Brady would have had to come in the second or two it took to run outside. IDK. The whole audio tape only took 8 secs from first shot to the last when OW was out of his car.

 

[aa9511]

OK I deleted my original response. I do not remember who spoke of back-up first, but as I recall, it was the accepted story in discussions up until today, as far as I can tell. Others who responded to my post are free to delete it if they want to. Sorry to all for the error. JMO

I think that people were coming to the conclusion that the police chief implied that when he said first OW didn't know about the BOLO, but came to know about it during the incident. I think.

Does anyone have a transcript of the police chief's statement?

TIA.