MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #11

[aa9511]

I didn't say anything about why he was shot, I am simply saying that I am doubting Wilson knew at any point in time during that incident that MB may have committed any kind of crime. Others here have been analyzing the store video for days saying it proves that MB was capable of violence.... I am saying it is irrelevant, because I don't think Wilson knew anything about it.

That's a very good point. But I think one reason so much focus is being put on the videotape on here is that it's claimed to show Michael's state of mind. In other words, because Michael committed robbery and shoved the shopowner, then we can also make the jump to believing he would assault the police officer.

 

[PaperDoll]

Why? Because of clothes? Skin color? His strut? How did he know he was trouble?

When he MB pushed him back into the car..

 

[Foxfire]

I can accept your argument on the other points whether I agree or disagree. Regarding the bolded, until someone provides a reasonable explanation for the report, I will not believe he made any connection to the robbery at any time while at the scene much less before the shooting or else that report would not read like that. If I remember correctly, I think Josie might have put that version forward as well.

Imo, reedus23 the statement in the report is a "red herring"...and much-a-do-about nothing...

 

[tlcya]

I get your point and understand what you're saying. I would say that Wilson not knowing is important in the following regard. One part (not all) of the statute relating to justification relates to situations where the officer knows the subject committed or is attempting to commit a felony. His not knowing eliminates his ability to use THAT PORTION, not the entirety, but that portion of the statute to establish justification.

But not if one believes as I do that he assaulted the officer while the officer was still seated in his squad car and then proceeded to "tussle" with him over the officer's firearm. IF that happened as I believe it did, then "in the commission of a felony" has just plopped right back onto the table. And then we end up right back to justified. Not being argumentative, but that is how I am viewing it at the moment.

 

[DebinGA]

DJ already told us they were blocking traffic and that when the cop asked them to step out of the road, they said "NO, we are a block from our destination, we will get out the way later..."

that might have been the first clue.

2nd clue, according to DJ, neither male stepped back to allow OW to exit his cruiser, but stood their ground so that the car door supposedly bumped them so hard, it ricocheted backward hitting OW.

 

[aa9511]

So I wonder why Darryl Parks just told Nancy Grace that he had 'doubts about the authenticity' of that audiotape.

He told Nancy that he doubted it because the first shot was not heard, but I am not sure that is the real reason. :cow:

IDK. I highly doubt someone would go through all the trouble of staging the audio tape to make it sound like gunshots are on there, and then allow the FBI to take a look at it. Isn't that just asking to be locked up?

 

[reedus23]

but mb had the stolen merchandise.

I wasn't the investigator on the scene. Would like to think they could put 2 and 2 together. But until that can be explained to me, I just think they overlooked it until they started wrapping their heads around what happened and that was later that night or the next day.

 

[Lovejac]

Maybe because he was scared that he was going to get shot.

I have a hard time believing that. I don't think they feared him at all. If so, I think they would have moved out of the middle of the street when asked.

 

[CHERIE.T]

tlcya, thanks wasn't enough. :cheers:

 

[CoolJ]

Um...yes you did, CoolJ. Here's what you posted "My opinion (and still doesn't really prove justified shooting or not) is that they realized how bad it looked that an unarmed kid was shot for jaywalking."
But I agree with you that it's very possible that Wilson didn't know about what went on in the store. Or maybe he did---we don't know for sure.

I was commenting on what the FPD might think as to how it appeared to the public. Not that I think he was shot for jaywalking.

 

[katydid23]

I get your point and understand what you're saying. I would say that Wilson not knowing is important in the following regard. One part (not all) of the statute relating to justification relates to situations where the officer knows the subject committed or is attempting to commit a felony. His not knowing eliminates his ability to use THAT PORTION, not the entirety, but that portion of the statute to establish justification.

HOWEVER, the cop did not pull his weapon until he was being assaulted, imo. So that was the felony that justifies the gun being drwan, imo.

 

[CoolJ]

I have a hard time believing that. I don't think they feared him at all. If so, I think they would have moved out of the middle of the street when asked.

Huh? Then why did run?

 

[reedus23]

You are correct. And from the officers POV, he was a threat, as he had just been attacked by him moments earlier.

Question for ya. If I walk up to a cop and blindside him and punch him upside his head and immediately lay face first on the ground with my arms completely outstretched with nothing in them, surrendering myself to the cop, would he be justified in shooting me?

 

[PaperDoll]

Question for ya. If I walk up to a cop and blindside him and punch him upside his head and immediately lay face first on the ground with my arms completely outstretched with nothing in them, surrendering myself to the cop, would he be justified in shooting me?

Why would you walk up to a cop and blindside him with a punch?

 

[Apollo]

IDK. I highly doubt someone would go through all the trouble of staging the audio tape to make it sound like gunshots are on there, and then allow the FBI to take a look at it. Isn't that just asking to be locked up?

Or looking for 15 minutes of fame.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I have a hard time believing that. I don't think they feared him at all. If so, I think they would have moved out of the middle of the street when asked.

Pflllittt I'm with you. .....MB stayed in the middle of the street to block OW. MB wasn't afraid...remember a friend said he MB used his size to his advantage.

 

[lonetraveler]

I didn't say anything about why he was shot, I am simply saying that I am doubting Wilson knew at any point in time during that incident that MB may have committed any kind of crime. Others here have been analyzing the store video for days saying it proves that MB was capable of violence.... I am saying it is irrelevant, because I don't think Wilson knew anything about it.

I do think it is relevant to what happened, it is relevant to MB's frame of mind. I will venture to say that anyone and I do mean anyone would react to a police officer interacting with them just minutes after they had 'strong armed" robbed a convenience store. Maybe he was high on adrenaline or feeling cocky and "ten feet tall and bullet proof" after pulling off the robbery or maybe he felt threatened by the officer stopping to interact with them so soon after the robbery, who knows? I just feel that his actions and reactions following the robbery were totally affected first by his decision to rob the convenience store. He wasn't just innocently taking a stroll down the middle of the street. I'm sure that most people who had just committed a crime would not be arrogantly walking in the middle of the street and mouthing off at an officer after he told them to get out of the street. That in itself tells me that he was in a very defiant frame of mind and was inviting trouble.

 

[Apollo]

Question for ya. If I walk up to a cop and blindside him and punch him upside his head and immediately lay face first on the ground with my arms completely outstretched with nothing in them, surrendering myself to the cop, would he be justified in shooting me?

IMO--No

 

[reedus23]

That's exactly what happened, IMO.

That is what has to be determined. Was he charging the cop, was he surrendering to the cop. He may very well have continued posing an immediate threat. Or he may not. You are obviously entitled to your opinion that he continued to pose an immediate threat. I don't feel I have enough to say either way. Heck, I haven't even heard the cop's version of what happened, much less what was happening 35 feet away from the car (not at the car, 35 feet away from it).

 

[gngr~snap]

Mike Brown EyeWitness Crime Scene Video Ferguson,…: http://youtu.be/VdL9dqkyjhM
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Sides of the street.
Blue side and green side/ Since I am not sure I'd
North, South, East or West...or up the street down the street.
Lame I know, not sure how else to describe it.
LE parked 2 SUV's on the scene and you can't tell what you are looking at cause they both look the same! It was bugging me!

http://cnmnewz.com/cellphone-video-from-the-ferguson-crime-scene-moments-after-mike-brown-died/
In the first and third photo there is an SUV parked on opposite side of the street

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