MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #11

[TexanMom]

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Eli Rosenberg ‏@EliKMBC 2m
"Let us in!" Eight protesters let into the federal courthouse in downtown #STL. #Ferguson #MikeBrown
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Why would that be allowed?

 

[deoneta]

I thought that a sheet covered him, but I don't know when they did that.

I am a member of Parents of Murdered Children and it's very difficult to see your loved one laying dead while crime scene technicians work the scene. This is a thing that happens often, sometimes they don't even cover up the body because there is so much to process. I've heard a lot of stories about it before.

For part of the time, Mr. Brown’s body lay in the open, allowing people to record it on their cellphones. A white sheet was draped over Mr. Brown’s body, but his feet remained exposed and blood could still be seen. The police later shielded the body with a low, six-panel orange partition typically used for car crashes.


Around 12:10, a paramedic who happened to be nearby on another call approached Mr. Brown’s body, checked for a pulse, and observed the blood and “injuries incompatible with life,” said his supervisor, Chris Cebollero, the chief of emergency medical services at Christian Hospital. He estimated that it had been around 12:15 when a sheet was retrieved from an ambulance and used to cover Mr. Brown.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/24/u...ys-timeline-4-hours-on-a-ferguson-street.html

 

[tlcya]

I wonder if the pause in the shots at MB came when OW realized he did not have a visual on MB's companion DJ and was looking about to see if that young man posed any immediate threat to him or others. Then OW see MB turn and advance toward him and resumes firing.

Just a thought. If he felt MB was injured and attempting to run I would think it logical to then assess whether his companion posed an even more immediate threat. Until MB became once more the more immediate threat by turning back to him and moving toward him. Injured or no, I would think as an officer I would perceive that as the threat he posed still existing.

 

[SStarr33]

BBM-ITA - They talk as if they just left it sitting there all alone without any care in the world, as if he was forgotten there and abandoned. Like you said, there was a tremendous amount of work to be done during that time, and if it hadn't been processed correctly, people would be screaming about that as well.

I do have a question, however....does anyone know if and when a barrier was ever set up to block the view of the body? I feel really bad for any little ones that may have been allowed to wander around and saw that scene. Very scary stuff to see right in front of your own house. If I were to see that as a child, I cannot imagine the nightmares I would have and the horrible visions it would bring to my mind every day I simply walked out of my house.

Yes, an orange barrier was erected. I posted a video on the media thread. Let me know if you can't find it.

 

[CARIIS]

the juvenile record of Michael Brown.

Does this imply that there is a record that has not been released because it is sealed for juvi

Do lawyers file for a release if they do not know if one exists, or do they file cause they know there is a sealed one?

Like just to find out if there is one - or KNOW there is one and file to open it up?

Not sure if this has been posted here previously-- I don't remember discussion about a lawsuit, just a FOIA

There has been a lawsuit filed to release the juvenile record of Michael Brown. I've added the link to the media thread.

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[aa9511]

Yes, it means the witnesses on scene were all correct to say he had been shot (or shot at) at while running away. Many tried to paint the witnesses as liars, but the sounds do match their reports. Some of the early volley of bullets had to have been fired as he was running. It's likely his arm was grazed while running away (arms down) rather than the other possiblity- face front/ arms up for his inner arm wound.

I do wonder if they can hear anything earlier- the bullet being fired in the car? I'm not sure the chief confirmed that happened- I thought it he had only described a struggle and it was unclear to me if Brown was in the car, or just his head and arm, as described by most witnesses. Also wondering if they will ever be able to know how many shots in total were fired by looking at the gun- or if some of those shots are stray bullets that are gone forever?

I think that is what is going to be crucial, if there was no struggle for the gun, then he shot a fleeing suspect in the back for no justifiable reason. OW needs us to believe that struggle over the gun happened, or his career is over. I also think shooting an unarmed person in the back is excessive force either way you slice it, but that OW will not be in trouble unless they can prove somehow that Brown was not reaching for his gun.

Yes, I agree.

 

[New1]

It looks like it came from the friend of the cop's wife when she called the radio station giving Wilson's version of events. She says he goes in reverse back to them.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/19/witnesses-say-ferguson-teen-attacked-cop-before-shooting/

I think I heard it first from reports of what DJ said....that DW backed up and almost hit him and MB.

 

[Truthy]

Good point- but I wonder why there are no pictures of forensic technicians at the scene? Did they take OW's gun and impound the car immediately to get good prints and gun residue evidence? One would think OW would insist they do all of that if it was a justified shooting.

 

[popsicle]

Ray Downs @RayDowns · 41s

Racially mixed crowd (even some Latinos!) out here protesting, singing gospel songs. Bike cops had to have been holding back tears.

Is he for real?

 

[bettybaby00]

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Huh, why? IDGI :dunno:

 

[popsicle]

the juvenile record of Michael Brown.

Does this imply that there is a record that has not been released because it is sealed for juvi

Do lawyers file for a release if they do not know if one exists, or do they file cause they know there is a sealed one?

Like just to find out if there is one - or KNOW there is one and file to open it up?

Did you read it? He said local and Federal LE authorities told him MB had an extensive juvenile record that included a charge for 2nd degree murder.

 

[aa9511]

I guess that lie never gets old for the protesters. :eyeroll:

They still have constitutional RIGHT to protest. <modsnip>

 

[bettybaby00]

I guess that lie never gets old for the protesters. :eyeroll:

Now it's "I got my hands on my head?"

Did someone inform them that is what an officer would direct you to do, therefore,
it's a more recognized signal of surrender than "hands in the air"

 

[SStarr33]

Good point- but I wonder why there are no pictures of forensic technicians at the scene? Did they take OW's gun and impound the car immediately to get good prints and gun residue evidence? One would think OW would insist they do all of that if it was a justified shooting.

There are tons of pictures from the scene.

 

[Truthy]

They impounded the car and took his gun at the scene?
I only saw some people who appeared to be looking for bullets.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Question, re chat is there a capability to "record" chat? If folks are chatting about biscuits do people typically record them to replay - they may have have said triscuits instead of bisquits, what would one do then?

what they said cram and someone meant ham? what would one do then?

What if they were chatting about mail and someone thought there was a hail storm? what would one do then?

What if someone was talking about a puppy and the chatter er thought they refering to them as a yuppie? what would one do then?


Did they mean pot or a pot? what would one do then?

Verification might be very very improtant!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!HA thats funny

also if i understood earlier post does grandjury hear many cases - I thought they were only for this one?

I think the video of shots in background iare real. Just like the way they sounded in "background"

CARIIS,
I just love you. :loveyou:
Sometimes I have no idea what your posts mean. :happydance:
So I read them again and again.
I eventually get it. lol
You are smart, you make me laugh..... You are a gem. :great:

In your above post you made some great points about how we hear things.

 

[LambChop]

Yes, it means the witnesses on scene were all correct to say he had been shot (or shot at) at while running away. Many tried to paint the witnesses as liars, but the sounds do match their reports. Some of the early volley of bullets had to have been fired as he was running. It's likely his arm was grazed while running away (arms down) rather than the other possiblity- face front/ arms up for his inner arm wound.

I do wonder if they can hear anything earlier- the bullet being fired in the car? I'm not sure the chief confirmed that happened- I thought it he had only described a struggle and it was unclear to me if Brown was in the car, or just his head and arm, as described by most witnesses. Also wondering if they will ever be able to know how many shots in total were fired by looking at the gun- or if some of those shots are stray bullets that are gone forever?

I think that is what is going to be crucial, if there was no struggle for the gun, then he shot a fleeing suspect in the back for no justifiable reason. OW needs us to believe that struggle over the gun happened, or his career is over. I also think shooting an unarmed person in the back is excessive force either way you slice it, but that OW will not be in trouble unless they can prove somehow that Brown was not reaching for his gun.

Please provide us a link that MB was shot in the back.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Two things got my attention from the new tape released, at least from the one I listened to. Maybe there's an expanded version or it got edited.

1. The audio of gunshots started right away on the video, I beleive in context and wanted to hear even 10 seconds before the gunfire erupted.

2. Who in their right mind is recording a social call with another party?

I was thinking the audio person was using a computer to talk with Ms. Purdy and his phone for something else. Im likely wrong.

 

[JLSChook]

LambChop, I noticed that you snipped the link from K_Z's post re: lawsuit to obtain MB's juvie record. (citing something about a donation site?)

I clicked on her link and it was the actual court docs that were filed. I didn't see anything about donations. Am I blind? Trust me, it's possible. :giggle:

 

[Truthy]

To put your head down to "charge," lineman/football style, means that your intended target is close to you. At least to me. I've never heard of someone putting their head down, then running 35 ft, then tackling a guy. Usually, you run, and then you put your head down when you're almost to your target

To put his head down to "charge," would mean that OW ran up close to him after MB had retreated. That makes no sense. Why would OW run towards the danger?

I have a hard time believing the "charging" story too, but it is the only way OW can explain shooting him through the top of the head. From all eyewitnesses on the scene, he was crumbling and falling forward for the last few shots.
As soon as the tox screen came out, so did the crazy charging bull story. Except *everyone knows* pot has the opposite effect, so they are grasping at straws trying to make the victim of this shooting acting like a maniac.