MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #11

[Lovejac]

There has been numerous eye witness statements saying he was shot in the back. Do we really have to keep re posting them? Not only that but, and I will explain this again.... The fact that the ME said he was shot in the front of his body does not rule out the fact that he could have been shot from behind. The ME was speaking in terms of the anatomical position... Which, when it comes to the arms, face BEHIND a person. Please don't give me another time out for stating this, I just want to have a discussion, I respect everyone's opinion, but please consider what I am saying here... I am not saying officer Wilson is guilty of anything because I do not know, I am just saying the ME's report needs can be interpreted in a number of ways.

It cannot, however, be interpreted that MB was shot in the back.

 

[branwynbreeze]

Thank you, that does make sense.

Yes, I heard him say that. And further I heard him say it in response to a question about whether he had heard what OW's alleged account of events was.

He was not speaking to the day of the shooting and the interactions between he, MB and OW. He was very clearly speaking about how we have heard third party accounts (Josie/Jill and police officials) of what OW says went down. But "we" (as in the world, the public, etc) have heard nothing from OW himself "in his voice" as to what happened that day.

You can choose to believe what you want. But it is very clear to me that the young man was not saying he and MB never heard OW speak on the day of the shooting. There is plenty wrong with this young man's story. THIS is not one of them. THIS isn't even part of his story about that day.

CAPS for emphasis.

 

[aa9511]

To me, it has always indicated that MB was falling, probably because of multiple gunshot wounds including another one to the head which was likely fatal.

(ETA, meant to hit "reply with quote" - that was in response to post #1107, about why there was a shot to the top of MB's head).

To me, I get a (disturbing) visual of his head slumping down, and then him falling forward. So imagine that his head slumps down, and then of course the top of his head would be facing straight forward.

 

[CARIIS]

Confused - is the notion that the person he was talking to gave todays audio (as opposed to him) to the FBI - that is new angle but IMO importantno?

 

[katydid23]

New Dorian interview with Don Lemon. Not sure if it has been posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbyGwbcyOWs

Don Lemon asked Dorian if he wished he could do anything different that day. And Dorian says " You know Don, that was just a regular day..."

So is that the way they usually spent their days?

 

[branwynbreeze]

IMO MB could rob convenience stores frequently without being arrested in a town like Ferguson.

I believe that since store clerks didn't call LE.

 

[CARIIS]

ANyone ever heard anything about the charge that went along with lying to police one like what it actually was ? The larceny I think it was ??

 

[aa9511]

I think OW was in pursuit of MB. It's reported that MB was 35 ft from the vehicle. OW may have been 30 ft from it when the last shot rang out.
We have never heard from "eye witnesses" how close OW was to MB when he took the head shot. Not one reporter has asked either. If they did I missed it.
OW could have still been at the SUV. I don't know...

All posts are MOO

Yes, crucial question which would answer some questions.

 

[CoolJ]

What if MB caused the gun to get off while he was struggling to grab it from ODW?

Well that's entirely possible. My question has more to do with procedure, if anybody knows.... Does the environment in which you are in play a role in whether or not to discharge your weapon as an LEO?

 

[Tawny]

Agree with the part about the video chatter. But don't bullet holes vary in size in relation to the gun and ammo used, and the substance hit, and distance, and velocity, and possibly other factors? I am no gun expert, but I don't think we can rule that out as a bullet hole. And I don't know why the apartment resident would lie and say it is, if it is not.

Yes, bullet holes vary in size because of all of those factors, however, they don't tear a rip like is seen above that hole, they just go straight through. That hole appears to have been created by something that fell downward and then punctured the siding.

JMO!

 

[CARIIS]

RE: If the gunshots are on the up and up (and this isn't some doctored up thing), I kind of feel sorry for the video chatter...I mean, here he is, minding his own business, talking (rather sweetly, at that), to this love interest of his....and now his love life is lying open, for all to see..


If that is case something tells me their relationship is off!!!Would one to keep seeing (that is funny in this context) someone who , for whatever reason does nothing when WWII is going on in his front yard ?

 

[aa9511]

i just had my rx refilled... Here's a :chillpill:

lol!!!

 

[oh_gal]

There may be, but I would assume they would all show the same thing because he either stepped out of the store or he didn't. I watched the video in the media thread. It seemed identical to videos of the event I had seen before.

ETA: I just watched it one more time, from a different source. He pushes the door open after the assault on the store clerk, but does not step out of the store, then he turns back and intimidates (does not re-assault) the store clerk. Then he leaves.

I just watched it again -- I guess it's a matter of how you look at things. After shoving the clerk, he's walking out the door, but then reenters to tower over the clerk in a threatening fashion.

 

[Oceans]

Well that's entirely possible. My question has more to do with procedure, if anybody knows.... Does the environment in which you are in play a role in whether or not to discharge your weapon as an LEO?

It seems there is an open area where the shots were fired:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-video-michael-brown-20140816-story.html

JMO

 

[SStarr33]

Well that's entirely possible. My question has more to do with procedure, if anybody knows.... Does the environment in which you are in play a role in whether or not to discharge your weapon as an LEO?

Um, yes.

 

[CARIIS]

o/t :It did not come up is there like a direct link I tried You Tube too?


Oh I am going to find it right now - cant wait they drove me insane with MAL 370! I am not an ANderson basher (like him) but the one thing that Ijust rememver is this exhange:

Well the search area is now going to be quite large.

ANderson: Will the size of the search area have an impact on the search

Just shocked me!!

My guess is they need to get out word that DJ is a victim. Their words not mine. Seemingly his counsel believes nothing is relevant except actual shooting. It was also mentioned that DJ is a federal witness, so cannot comment. Seriously, CNN is really reaching in last few months. Did anyone see spoof SNL did on CNN and their coverage of MH370. http://www.hulu.com/watch/621823

 

[Linda7NJ]

Well that's entirely possible. My question has more to do with procedure, if anybody knows.... Does the environment in which you are in play a role in whether or not to discharge your weapon as an LEO?

I would think it does. I don't believe an officer would discharge a weapon in a crowded school hallway for example. Unless it was a sure shot at intended target.

I believe the perception of threat is paramount.




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[Bernina]

Ugh, why are we even discussing whatever the video chatter was saying? It's completely irrelevant to the case.

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Also, that hole is not a bullet hole. Bullet holes are tiny.

BBM:
Depends on the caliber and the type of bullet. A .50 cal can literally blow a person's head off.

It was mentioned that LE extracted a slug from one of the buildings, that would require digging it out of the exterior wall making a bigger hole.

 

[aa9511]

This case is so confusing and frustrating.

I still am not sure how I feel about the shooting but the blindness of people who want to paint MB as a saint who was out sharing Jesus when we know for a fact that he assaulted someone not an hour before his was killed is irritating.

I don't like the sweeping saint/sinner thing. I think that he could have been an overall good kid who made a mistake that day. But I don't believe he was perfect and living the life of a monk.

I am so bothered by both sides that want to paint him as either all awesome or all bad.

No, he was neither all awesome nor all bad. This is what I have been trying to say on here. Nor do I think OW's actions were totally angelic. Taking aside the killing, I still think that either OW said or did something (and I don't meant nicely and politely asking them to get off the street) in the beginning which provoked MB to react, or OW reacted to MB. Either way is not good, but police officers are human beings, too, I understand that. Just like MB was a human being, and he might have over-reacted to something which provoked him.

What is boils down to, IMO - is that I think both of them provoked each other.

So even in the microcosm of this incident, neither was wholly good. IMO.

And in life, there are a lot of people who fall in the grey area.

JMO.

 

[bettybaby00]

I just watched it again -- I guess it's a matter of how you look at things. After shoving the clerk, he's walking out the door, but then reenters to tower over the clerk in a threatening fashion.

For me that threatening, menacing, "step back" move was disgusting. One could argue the shove was a reaction and came off harder than he thought. Using his size to further intimidate the guy....nasty

JMO