MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #11

[bettybaby00]

Oh I am going to find it right now - cant wait they drove me insane with MAL 370! I am not an ANderson basher (like him) but the one thing that Ijust rememver is this exhange:

Well the search area is now going to be quite large.

ANderson: Will the size of the search area have an impact on the search

Just shocked me!!

Oh Anderson :lol:

 

[oh_gal]

RE: If the gunshots are on the up and up (and this isn't some doctored up thing), I kind of feel sorry for the video chatter...I mean, here he is, minding his own business, talking (rather sweetly, at that), to this love interest of his....and now his love life is lying open, for all to see..


If that is case something tells me their relationship is off!!!Would one to keep seeing (that is funny in this context) someone who , for whatever reason does nothing when WWII is going on in his front yard ?

LOL! I think he was just so into this lady friend of his, that nothing else mattered to him!

 

[katydid23]

Don't get me wrong, a part of me agrees with what you are saying. But part of me says, how is an officer involved shooting any different than any other case. I can understand a prosecuting attorney NOT submitting a case to a GJ because of evidence of justification, but once the decision is made to submit it, I still feel uncomfortable with a prosecuting attorney playing defense counsel. Just not sure how justification is any different because an officer is involved versus an ordinary citizen claiming justification. I would agree about providing forensic evidence, but the role of the prosecuting attorney, once he has decided there is enough to take it to a grand jury, is to show how the forensics match up to the evidence that supports an indictment. His job isn't to play defense attorney. Just have a problem with that and probably just have to accept that it's my problem and move on.

BBM

That is not what was being said on HLN by Omara and Hoskins, attorney on the panel. They said that the prosecutor DOES bring forth exculpatory evidence and mitigating factors in defense of the suspect. And in a Grand Jury, the prosecutor is not solely a prosecutor, but a finder of fact. His job is to bring forth all relevant forensics and witness testimony, and allow the GJ to decide whether to bring it to trial or not. He may guide them but it is not his decision.

In my opinion, if there is enough evidence to show that it was a justified shooting, even then, this prosecutor could not make that decision on his own. The entire town would implode and go up in smoke. He needs to take it to the grand jury so there is some buffer and some justification for the decision. And those findings can be eventually released to explain the process.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Is it just me... Or does the audio mean very little?

I can see how both sides would like to spin it...but in reality it proves nothing...IMO


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[tlcya]

whoever posted the SNL CNN spoof - thank you. Levity where needed.

 

[aa9511]

Oh I am going to find it right now - cant wait they drove me insane with MAL 370! I am not an ANderson basher (like him) but the one thing that Ijust rememver is this exhange:

Well the search area is now going to be quite large.

ANderson: Will the size of the search area have an impact on the search

Just shocked me!!

LOL!!! I still pray that they will find that plane.....

 

[oh_gal]

You know what? I totally and respectfully disagree. The chatter turned his audio over to the FBI, which is great and fantastic. There was absolutely NO NEED for him, through is attorney, to turn it over to CNN.

Well, he could be looking for his 15 minutes of fame. He probably won't be the last person in this case to do it.

 

[aa9511]

whoever posted the SNL CNN spoof - thank you. Levity where needed.

What CNN spoof?

 

[katydid23]

No, he was neither all awesome nor all bad. This is what I have been trying to say on here. Nor do I think OW's actions were totally angelic. Taking aside the killing, I still think that either OW said or did something (and I don't meant nicely and politely asking them to get off the street) in the beginning which provoked MB to react, or OW reacted to MB. Either way is not good, but police officers are human beings, too, I understand that. Just like MB was a human being, and he might have over-reacted to something which provoked him.

What is boils down to, IMO - is that I think both of them provoked each other.

So even in the microcosm of this incident, neither was wholly good. IMO.

And in life, there are a lot of people who fall in the grey area.

JMO.

According to the policer chief, OW had ZERO complaints filed against him. That means that no one in the town of Ferguson ever came forward to say that he was abusive, rude, corrupt, cussing, crossed a line, nothing. So why are you so sure that he did something that would warrant an attack by MB?

 

[KEVINinTO]

Dorian has a lawyer...why is he allowing Dorian to keep running his mouth???? Why hasn't he advised him to shut up??


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IMO it is unethical for these lawyers (he now has two!) to allow him to speak to the media. They should have DJ's interests and ONLY DJ's interest in mind, instead from the interview the lawyers seem to be pushing the Brown family narrative.

Throughout most of the interview the lawyers cut-off any questions from Lemon regarding details of the shooting but near the end of the interview DJ spills some details I find interesting. He said he keeps thinking about his friend and how MB was concerned for DJ's safety; "even after he was injured he is telling me to get to safety".

If DJ is telling the truth this suggests to me that MB was injured during the struggle for the gun inside the SUV and that the injury was most likely the gash wound in the right hand. If in fact this happened MB's blood would be inside and around the SUV. If on the other hand it turns out that MB was not injured in the struggle for the gun inside the SUV - there is no way that he could tell DJ to "get to safety" after the 8 second volley of gunfire that ended in an instantaneous fatal shot to the head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbyGwbcyOWs

 

[oh_gal]

No, he was neither all awesome nor all bad. This is what I have been trying to say on here. Nor do I think OW's actions were totally angelic. Taking aside the killing, I still think that either OW said or did something (and I don't meant nicely and politely asking them to get off the street) in the beginning which provoked MB to react, or OW reacted to MB. Either way is not good, but police officers are human beings, too, I understand that. Just like MB was a human being, and he might have over-reacted to something which provoked him.

What is boils down to, IMO - is that I think both of them provoked each other.

So even in the microcosm of this incident, neither was wholly good. IMO.

And in life, there are a lot of people who fall in the grey area.

JMO.

I oftentimes wonder if the general public has any idea what LEOs deal with on a daily basis, from those they've sworn to serve and protect.

 

[CARIIS]

World is losing - how could someone who just watched a felony be a victim thats crazy!IMO

My guess is they need to get out word that DJ is a victim. Their words not mine. Seemingly his counsel believes nothing is relevant except actual shooting. It was also mentioned that DJ is a federal witness, so cannot comment. Seriously, CNN is really reaching in last few months. Did anyone see spoof SNL did on CNN and their coverage of MH370. http://www.hulu.com/watch/621823

 

[CARIIS]

But it could be huge in determing validity of recording maybe. And if it is valid IMO huge - it shows that the officer had like 8 secs to deal with everything! Seems like they could do an IP address or something to get time etc no? Or website could verify time lcoation etc etc

Ugh, why are we even discussing whatever the video chatter was saying? It's completely irrelevant to the case.

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Also, that hole is not a bullet hole. Bullet holes are tiny.

 

[aa9511]

According to the policer chief, OW had ZERO complaints filed against him. That means that no one in the town of Ferguson ever came forward to say that he was abusive, rude, corrupt, cussing, crossed a line, nothing. So why are you so sure that he did something that would warrant an attack by MB?

Uh, because MB ended up being shot at 10 or 11 times and ended up with 6 bullets including one to the head and also ended up dead.

Something caused either MB or OW to react to something.

And I don't think that something was "Young men, would you please move over to the sidewalk?"

And I don't think MB would respond to the ^^^ polite request by starting to attack a police officer of all people, for God's sake.

 

[Truthy]

But OW had no complaints filed against him in the past. I would imagine if he fit the "type" that you mention here, there would be several, particularly if he was a hot-headed, roided up drug addict as what you describe. We don't know that, and a safe assumption based upon past history of the officer, no complaints and at least one commendation that we know of, we would give him the benefit of the doubt and what is described in the original story of shooting an unarmed man begging for mercy - as it just wouldn't seem to fit with what little we know of OW. However, we have a video of just 10 minutes prior to the altercation of a young man using physical violence to rob a store, and the main eyewitness as his companion during that robbery as the one who began the narrative of "hands up don't shoot."

To me, an open-minded and non-biased individual would tend to side with the officer, unless additional evidence proved otherwise. I think ANYONE who is objectively looking at this case so far, should agree that the idea that OW literally shooting this man begging for mercy is a long-shot, at best and highly unlikely.

And yes - trust me - I read outside of here, but find that level-headed people tend to find their way here and find this to be a great place for lots of information backed up with links and insight by some amazingly intelligent posters.

I think I have spent too much time with LEO to hold them in higher regard than the average citizen. And this local force- hiding their badges and refusing to follow the law and ID themselves while arresting journalists, threatening to shoot protesters and pointing rifles into big crowds that include children? I think there's a serious problem when so many LEOs skirting the law caught on tape. A more serious problem than jay walking, that's for sure. JMHO.

 

[PaperDoll]

Uh, because MB ended up being shot at 10 or 11 times and ended up with 6 bullets including one to the head and also ended up dead.

Something caused either MB or OW to react to something.

And I don't think that something was "Young men, would you please move over to the sidewalk?"

And I don't think MB would respond to the ^^^ polite request by starting to attack a police officer of all people, for God's sake.

We do know that MB was seen on video "bullying" a store clerk so I think he carried that behavior over to the officer. Apparently MB was in a "don't mess with me" mood.. IMO..

 

[CoolJ]

It cannot, however, be interpreted that MB was shot in the back.

No you are right, not in the back as in the posterior torso. From behind...Yes absolutely. Could it look as though he was shot in the back from an eye witness POV, yes absolutely and it was reported as such by a few eye witnesses. Does it prove anything? Nope, not when it comes to whether or not this was a justifiable shooting.

 

[Tawny]

I think I have spent too much time with LEO to hold them in higher regard than the average citizen. And this local force- hiding their badges and refusing to follow the law and ID themselves while arresting journalists, threatening to shoot protesters and pointing rifles into big crowds that include children? I think there's a serious problem when so many LEOs skirting the law caught on tape. A more serious problem than jay walking, that's for sure. JMHO.

We can't, and shouldn't, assume that OW is like those officers just because they're all LEO. That's just as bad as lumping all the peaceful protesters in with the looters and rioters, IMHO.

 

[jmcgladr]

According to the policer chief, OW had ZERO complaints filed against him. That means that no one in the town of Ferguson ever came forward to say that he was abusive, rude, corrupt, cussing, crossed a line, nothing. So why are you so sure that he did something that would warrant an attack by MB?

Do people normally bother to file such complaints, especially in a largely African American neighborhood with a largely white police force where negative interactions with police and distrust of police would be commonplace and just considered a way of life?

 

[oh_gal]

I think I have spent too much time with LEO to hold them in higher regard than the average citizen. And this local force- hiding their badges and refusing to follow the law and ID themselves while arresting journalists, threatening to shoot protesters and pointing rifles into big crowds that include children? I think there's a serious problem when so many LEOs skirting the law caught on tape. A more serious problem than jay walking, that's for sure. JMHO.

There are bad apples in every profession, I would imagine. I don't agree, for one minute, with the way the LEO caught on tape acted, pointing his gun at people; on the other hand, I don't agree with the snotty way a lot of journalists were acting -- as if they were trying to incite police to get a story, "Oh!!! The bad policeman is threatening me! Help me!" I am, though, willing to make some allowances for the fact that none of us here knows the level of stress those police officers were under during the rioting/looting/protesting, whatever you want to call it.