MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #11

[popsicle]

stevegiegerich ‏@stevegiegerich 5m
County price tag does not include cost for personnel from muni departments & State Highway Patrol. #Ferguson

 

[reedus23]

Why would you walk up to a cop and blindside him with a punch?

It's a hypothetical question. The reason for punching him is irrelevant. Let's say I didn't like the way his hair was cut though.

 

[lonetraveler]

I didn't say anything about why he was shot, I am simply saying that I am doubting Wilson knew at any point in time during that incident that MB may have committed any kind of crime. Others here have been analyzing the store video for days saying it proves that MB was capable of violence.... I am saying it is irrelevant, because I don't think Wilson knew anything about it.

IMO it doesn't matter at all if Wilson knew anything about the robbery. What does matter is that Wilson knew that this guy had put pushed him into this police car, and then leaned into the window and beat him in the face. This guy assaulted a police officer, thus he is considered dangerous and and threat.

I can honestly say that if this big guy pushed me into my vehicle and then beat me in the face I would shoot the shiiiiiiiiiiiit out of him as soon as I could pull my weapon. That is my opinion.

 

[Lovejac]

Question for ya. If I walk up to a cop and blindside him and punch him upside his head and immediately lay face first on the ground with my arms completely outstretched with nothing in them, surrendering myself to the cop, would he be justified in shooting me?

Not katydid, but in that situation, that would not be a justified shooting to me.

For me, MB trying to get Officer Wilson's gun is the point of no return, because there is only one reason to try and steal someone's gun from them. IMO

 

[SStarr33]

I have a couple questions about the GJ that maybe someone could help with. If the GJ normally just meets each Wednesday, and then is deciding a case such as this do they (or could they) meet daily (M-F) until a conclusion is made? IIRC the GJ was empanelled in May and service to conclude at the end of Sept.. If that be the case, can they (will they) hold over the GJ until the conclusion of the case. And finally since the GJ was put together back in May why would they now release the racial and gender make-up of the GJ in this case?

Just wondering.

Yes, the prosector said they would impanel them as a special grand jury after they complete their regular work.

 

[tlcya]

Thanks for the discussion all. I am out for the night. Just would like to say I do understand LE have a tough job and most of them are passionate about what they do. But when a LEO shoots an unarmed person, we need to find out his reasoning for believing he was in immediate danger. We cannot have police running around think that they will always be given the benefit of the doubt in these cases, there have been too many documented cases of police brutality over the years to give that to them. They must prove that they had no other option and when they prove that, then they should be commended for having to be the one who pulled the trigger on another human being who was obviously suicidal. I just don't see that here yet... Not saying I won't,just saying not yet.

Going forward IMO, the only answer to put a stop to these incidents is for each LEO EVERYWHERE to have a quality bodycam with audio. That is what this has come to. Dash cams won't cut it. The question though becomes are the unions going to fight this? Do they really want us to see what happens day in and day out. Do they want us to see how there members interact with the public? The answer to that question will be extremely revealing.

Goodnight coolj. I agree 100% with the BBM

 

[bettybaby00]

K, gotta say it.

After the crazy realizations about what audio guy was up to, the big stars "covering" things in these stills is killing me!

 

[reedus23]

IMO--No

And thus the reason why what happened at the car is less important than what happened 35 feet from the car.

 

[lonetraveler]

It's a hypothetical question. The reason for punching him is irrelevant. Let's say I didn't like the way his hair was cut though.

I will venture a guess here that if you took it upon yourself to push a cop into his police car and then punch him in the face then you must have a definite "death wish". IMO

 

[popsicle]

Why they went to court....
[h=1]Protestors Visit U.S. Attorney Richard Callahan with Demands[/h]
Hands Up United says the protests will continue until their demands are met, and on Thursday, they plan on presenting the White House with 600,000 signatures in support of their cause.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/08/26/protestors-visit-u-s-attorney-richard-callahan-with-demands/

 

[CoolJ]

Question for ya. If I walk up to a cop and blindside him and punch him upside his head and immediately lay face first on the ground with my arms completely outstretched with nothing in them, surrendering myself to the cop, would he be justified in shooting me?

Interesting way to look at things.
What about this. What if MB got away.. And they located him a few hours later... Are they allowed to shoot to kill because he was possibly aggressive earlier? What about if it was a couple days later? Allowed to shoot him then? Is he still a danger to the public?
If this is the case then why bother trying to arrest any violent criminal... Why don't we just bring them all in in body bags? We already know they are a danger to the public... Does this give police justification?

 

[bettybaby00]

Not katydid, but in that situation, that would not be a justified shooting to me.

For me, MB trying to get Officer Wilson's gun is the point of no return, because there is only one reason to try and steal someone's gun from them. IMO

Yup, yup.

 

[katydid23]

I do think it is relevant to what happened, it is relevant to MB's frame of mind. I will venture to say that anyone and I do mean anyone would react to a police officer interacting with them just minutes after they had 'strong armed" robbed a convenience store. Maybe he was high on adrenaline or feeling cocky and "ten feet tall and bullet proof" after pulling off the robbery or maybe he felt threatened by the officer stopping to interact with them so soon after the robbery, who knows? I just feel that his actions and reactions following the robbery were totally affected first by his decision to rob the convenience store. He wasn't just innocently taking a stroll down the middle of the street. I'm sure that most people who had just committed a crime would not be arrogantly walking in the middle of the street and mouthing off at an officer after he told them to get out of the street. That in itself tells me that he was in a very defiant frame of mind and was inviting trouble.

THANK YOU. I think this is so important in looking at MB's state of mind. His attorneys keep saying NONE of his behavior matters. But I find that ridiculous. His bizarre and irrational behavior has everything to do with what happened in his interaction with the officer. From blocking traffic and refusing the officers request to move, all the while carrying the stolen merchandise from the robbery minutes earlier. That is bizarre behavior and shows he had no rational thoughts as to how to deal with the immediate situation.

And when people say " why would he rush the armed officer?" I have to say I don't know, but it fits the pattern of irrational, illogical behavior of the previous hour.

 

[PaperDoll]

It's a hypothetical question. The reason for punching him is irrelevant. Let's say I didn't like the way his hair was cut though.

It is relevant because it shows his character, and I don't believe MB laid himself on the ground and surrendered. However, to answer your question I don't think an officer should shoot someone if they surrender.

 

[reedus23]

I agree. But why is Darryl Parks doubting its authenticity on NG, when just this morning this audio was labeled 'the smoking gun' and the 'gamechanger' for MB. Why the sudden reversal on it's authenticity?

Whoever decried it the "smoking gun" or "gamechanger" is a fool. MHO obviously. It potentially is one more part to the puzzle, but not a complete gamechanger. That is an overstatement. There will likely be and rarely are smoking guns and gamechangers IMO.

 

[tlcya]

Interesting way to look at things.
What about this. What if MB got away.. And they located him a few hours later... Are they allowed to shoot to kill because he was possibly aggressive earlier? What about if it was a couple days later? Allowed to shoot him then? Is he still a danger to the public?
If this is the case then why bother trying to arrest any violent criminal... Why don't we just bring them all in in body bags? We already know they are a danger to the public... Does this give police justification?

IMO

No

No

No

and No

 

[Lovejac]

I found it interesting that in the Daily Mail article the statement, "It is believed that five of the shots hit Brown on the front of his body." Is not in quotes, nor are they stating who made it. I'm pretty sure Baden didn't utter those words.

Any statement with Fraud-essor needs to be chucked...he is not certified by any entity governing the ME field, he is not a Doctor, his level of education consists of a BS in "living Sciences". He has shamelessly pushed the "the arms are very movable" theory to anyone who would listen. Where is he now? After misrepresenting himself as an expert, an assistant ME, he is now probably hiding out, afraid of being brought up in charges.

And Baden is likely pretty pissed he was associated with such a clown

IMO

Believe it or not, Parcells was on NG tonight.

But she didn't call him ME this time or Professer. She asked him a question about being able to tell the sequence of shots.

 

[bettybaby00]

Parks is an idiot. She's giving him hell.

 

[tlcya]

Whoever decried it the "smoking gun" or "gamechanger" is a fool. MHO obviously. It potentially is one more part to the puzzle, but not a complete gamechanger. That is an overstatement. There will likely be and rarely are smoking guns and gamechangers IMO.

Absolutely agree. I tend to believe it is authentic and another piece to the puzzle but by no means a smoking gun or gamechanger.

 

[Truthy]

He wasnt shot for jaywalking because he wasn't jaywalking, he was walking down the middle of the street. He wasn't shot for walking down the middle of the street either. He also wasn't shot for robbing the store. He was shot for getting into an altercation with Wilson.

I think the larger point here is that very specific details in the story coming from LE have changed. That is a very serious issue to me.