MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #12

[rob]

How do we know that this juvenile record is for the Michael Brown that died on the street in Furgison?

Michael is the 4th most common given name in the US, Brown is the 4th most common surname. Even with less common names, assuming that only one person has that name is a classic mistake.

My understanding, he has 2 middle names and is a Jr. Surely there is a SS#. I really don't think it will that hard to narrow it down. After all this, I'm sure the officer(s) that arrested him or charged him, could speak up and say, I remember that guy. It couldn't have been that long ago.
And what about mug shot???

 

[bettybaby00]

How do we know that this juvenile record is for the Michael Brown that died on the street in Furgison?

Michael is the 4th most common given name in the US, Brown is the 4th most common surname. Even with less common names, assuming that only one person has that name is a classic mistake.

B/c if you read his article here...

http://gotnews.com/got-news-court-free-michaelbrown-documents-now/

It's clearly NOT a case of mistaken identity.

 

[Linda7NJ]

If you act like an animal, what are you supposed to be called, St. Mike of Ferguson?

:cow:

Only in broad daylight


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[TheDuchess]

Interesting article! Thanks for posting.
What also caught my attention, BBM:

No gun doesn’t mean no threat. FBI murder statistics consistently show that more people are beaten to death with hands and feet each year than are killed by assault rifles. Of the 465 weapons used to commit murder in Missouri in 2012, more than one in four were not firearms. A person’s size doesn’t mean that they are aggressive, but one’s stature is clearly a factor in a fight.

http://thepolicenews.net/default.as...ry=News+1-2&newsletterid=47254&menugroup=Home

ETA: Title of the piece: "Can unarmed individuals kill police officers?"

"The answer is absolutely YES. And here's how: 511 law enforcement officers in the past decade have been murdered on duty. And 53 of them have been executed by their own guns by the UNARMED harmless innocent people.?!




Media MUST stop repeating every minute that an unarmed innocent person was murdered by the police. And fuel and cause the riots we have seen every night in Ferguson....."

 

[TheDuchess]

LOL did I forget to type "sarcasm"? Not a reliable witness? Dorian Johnson would beg to differ. He doesn't understand why people don't believe his account(s). I'm thinking, which since he has so many different ones. I found it funny...... I can't imagine anyone even considering him to ask what color the sky is.

*see my earlier post #853

Oh no Dana...I got what you are saying, I was actually agreeing with you and just providing an enhanced response. We are on the same page! :loveyou:

 

[Truthy]

I think most of what they did needed to be done.
Rifles to the crowd well when they started acting up they needed their guns ready.
While I agree the police should have kept those comments to themselves......Calling them animals was way nicer then what I was calling them. My name was what comes out of animals.
We are hearing from people who were detained, their friends and of course the bias media.... I saw a couple of people talking saying their friend did no wrong when they were completely in the wrong and should have been carted away to jail. Heck even those 2 girls off of VICE were hitting that line of okay please detain them right now.
The cops needed to hide their badges so their names would not be shown. Idiots were taking their names and trying to find out where they lived. We do not need these officers families in danger by the angry mob who refuse to sit back and listen to anything.

I can't belive I am reading that it was okay to point rifles at the crowd. Or that it is okay under any circumstances that LE do not follow the law.
They are not in uniform if they don't show their badges, there is no excuse for that- it's their job. No one has come out and admitted that they authorized them to hide their identities, despite requests for clarity. Arresting officers MUST identify themselves when they arrest you, but many refused to.
That is a police state, and intolerable. If they cannot "keep the peace" without threatening to shoot people and calling them names, they do not deserve the job. Many officers maintained a sense of calm and did their jobs correctly. The reason people "trust" police is that they are held to a higher standard because they have been gven so much power. The reason people are not "trusting" police is some of them are not holding up their end of the bargain.
I bet if any of you had police spraying bullets at your homes for trying to arrest a neighbor who jaywalked, you'd be protesting too.
All IMHO.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

The national founder and president of Black Lawyers for Justice (B.L.F.J.) is Malik Zulu Shabazz. Wasn't he the chairman of the New Black Panther Party.

Looks like they are holding a press conference today at 1:00 pm - http://www.blfjustice.org/

 

[William N]

I apologize if this has already been brought forth, but these are pertinent questions IMO.

Isn't every white cop with a room temperature IQ or certifiably sane aware that if he shoots and kills a black who is no threat he faces full-scale assault in the media? And it may go national? That he will lose his job and pension along with likely criminal charges by a politically ambitious prosecutor? Also, a civil suit that he can't afford by surviving family members" To say nothing of federal charges?

Does a cop (who has no prior record of misbehavior) risk this to shoot a black kid walking in the middle of the street?

 

[JLSChook]

Yes, and SOP would be to request backup. They are supposed to evaluate threats based on what they see- and he did not see any evidence of guns. He saw suspects fleeing, that is not the time to fire a volley of shots, especially not in a dense residential area.

RSBM
He evaluated getting slammed in the face and the perp trying to steal his weapon. THAT constitutes life threatening danger to the officer

 

[Linda7NJ]

I apologize if this has already been brought forth, but these are pertinent questions IMO.

Isn't every white cop with a room temperature IQ or certifiably sane aware that if he shoots and kills a black who is no threat he faces full-scale assault in the media? And it may go national? That he will lose his job and pension along with likely criminal charges by a politically ambitious prosecutor? Also, a civil suit that he can't afford by surviving family members" To say nothing of federal charges?

Does a cop (who has no prior record of misbehavior) risk this to shoot a black kid walking in the middle of the street?

Seems it's about time for them to seriously consider a career change.


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[bettybaby00]

RSBM
He evaluated getting slammed in the face and the perp trying to steal his weapon. THAT constitutes life threatening danger.

Can not be stated enough, and that life threatening danger applies to EVERYONE.

 

[Truthy]

According to my brother, 30 years on the job- as soon as the unarmed perp is running away, the danger is over. He KNEW he had no weapon. That seems more like revenge, than protecting anyone. IMHO- spraying the bullets all over that street shows how little interest he had in protecting the community.

 

[Truthy]

Do you happen to have a link that states shots put the residents in danger. I have not seen that reported other than speculation. Thanks

IMHO, twelve bullets in an area where people live in street level apartemnts is very risky. How could it not be, IYHO?

 

[JLSChook]

According to my brother, 30 years on the job- as soon as the unarmed perp is running away, the danger is over. He KNEW he had no weapon. That seems more like revenge, than protecting anyone. IMHO- spraying the bullets all over that street shows how little interest he had in protecting the community.

Not sure where your brother lives but he might want to brush up on the actual laws. The rest of your post is pure speculation. You don't know what Officer Wilson KNEW or didn't know. It is Wilson's perception of the situation not anyone else's, especially not in "hindsight"

 

[DebinGA]

http://gotnews.com/got-news-court-free-michaelbrown-documents-now/

Hope I am allowed to quote from the link:

"There can’t be that many Michael Browns named “Michael Orlandus Darrion Brown Jr.” who were also born on May 20, 1996 in Florrisant, MO, who also attended Normandy High School in St. Louis, whose mother was also named Lesley McSpadden and whose father was also named Michael Brown.

We have Brown’s correct address, too: ......and even his expired driver’s permit...."

Edited to remove address and Permit #.

The NYT claims MB attended Normandy "most of his last two years" in high school. Any juvenile record would end when MB ceased being a juvenile, which in MO is age 17. So any criminal incidents would have had to occur between start of his junior year at Normandy in 2012 and before he turned 17 on May 20, 2013.

 

[LambChop]

IMHO, twelve bullets in an area where people live in street level apartemnts is very risky. How could it not be, IYHO?

Again, we need a link for that. To date there is no report from LE as to how many bullets were fired for Officer Wilson's gun. The FBI would know that, the prosecutor would know that but we do not have that information. Also the FBI has not verified the tape with the shots in the background yet. So if you can provide a link it may clear things up.

 

[Irish_Eyes]

I can't belive I am reading that it was okay to point rifles at the crowd. Or that it is okay under any circumstances that LE do not follow the law.
They are not in uniform if they don't show their badges, there is no excuse for that- it's their job. No one has come out and admitted that they authorized them to hide their identities, despite requests for clarity. Arresting officers MUST identify themselves when they arrest you, but many refused to.
That is a police state, and intolerable. If they cannot "keep the peace" without threatening to shoot people and calling them names, they do not deserve the job. Many officers maintained a sense of calm and did their jobs correctly. The reason people "trust" police is that they are held to a higher standard because they have been gven so much power. The reason people are not "trusting" police is some of them are not holding up their end of the bargain.
I bet if any of you had police spraying bullets at your homes for trying to arrest a neighbor who jaywalked, you'd be protesting too.
All IMHO.

And I bet if a frenzied mob was saying death to cops and people were going on line trying to find your address and post it to incite more violence, you'd protect your kids too. What has this world come to? All life is precious. Kids living on West Florissant have a right be safe but so do the kids of cops. It shouldn't be based on race, or class, or profession, etc. A white life doesn't matter more than a black life, but nor is it less. A cop's isn't worth more than a civilians life, but nor is it less.

 

[cady]

According to my brother, 30 years on the job- as soon as the unarmed perp is running away, the danger is over. He KNEW he had no weapon. That seems more like revenge, than protecting anyone. IMHO- spraying the bullets all over that street shows how little interest he had in protecting the community.

I don't know if he KNEW that MB did not have a weapon, but I wonder why he didn't seem concerned about DJ at all. Did it ever occur to him that DJ might have a weapon? He needed back-up to deal with both of them. JMO

 

[William N]

According to my brother, 30 years on the job- as soon as the unarmed perp is running away, the danger is over. He KNEW he had no weapon. That seems more like revenge, than protecting anyone. IMHO- spraying the bullets all over that street shows how little interest he had in protecting the community.

I repeat, an individual weighing nearly 300 pounds IS armed. IMO the evidence shows MB was running TOWARD OW. Why do you think all the wounds were to the front?

 

[Irish_Eyes]

Seems it's about time for them to seriously consider a career change.


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I have wondered how it's going to affect policing all this - or if it's affecting policing already. Every white cop in the country has to feel like they have a target on their backs now. They have to know that even if it's a totally justified shooting this could be them tomorrow: automatically branded a racist killer, getting death threats, living in hiding, your face all over CNN, journalists drawing maps to your home, the New York Times writing articles about what your mother did twenty years ago and calling it news. We have no idea if this was a justified shooting or not and look what happened to Wilson already. How can that not affect how they respond to calls?