MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #12

[zenreaper]

IMO when an officer yells Freeze you freeze and do as instructed further.
Or if not told to freeze maybe fall to your knees with hands up without turning to face him, again wait for his instructions without sudden movements that can be misinterpreted. Especially if seconds earlier you had assaulted said officer.

I am WHITE, and I have taught MY children when the cop says you are under arrest, do EXACTLY as he says and say NOTHING until a lawyer gets there. If he is right, you will be okay, if he is in the wrong, you will be okay.

 

[Phoebeb]

I asked this awhile back, has anyone heard of an eyewitness named James McKnight? I haven't, but NY Times article says OW and MB were 6-7 feet apart at the time of shooting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/us/shooting-accounts-differ-as-holder-schedules-visit.html?_r=0

 

[EvilSoup]

We are on a message board though and not in a court of law. UIPG is a judicial standard that only jurors have to abide by when they sit down before the evidence begins. They are to presume the defendant is innocent until evidence proves otherwise.

But I do agree with you in a way. From day one of this nightmarish case OWs constitutional rights have been totally ignored by the many angry protestors, political talking heads/AA leaders, reporters, and lawyers connected to this case. The Black Panther party have called for OWs death. All of these people have already found OW guilty even without a GJ indictment much less a trial. And not only have they presumed he is guilty they have made terroristic threats as well.

But here at WSs it is a different guideline. We can have our own personal opinions one way or the other as long as we do it without violating TOS. So some will make MB into the innocent one and some will think this case is looking like a justifiable homicide and will be more supportive toward OW. We also can change our opinions at anytime if further evidence leads us one way or the other.

As of now I do support OW. In his 6 years as a law enforcement officer he has never had one complaint of wrongdoing. All the media outlets have tried their best to find any dirt on him and they have found nothing. So for him to just blatantly mow someone down for the hell of it doesn't match the character of OW that has been released. He not only had no complaints but he had recently received a commendation.

Imo, MB was a felon who was fleeing in order to escape being arrested. It is hard for me to just ignore the big elephant in the room. He not only had committed a strong armed robbery, assaulted, and bullied a small store clerk that day which made him a felony suspect but IMO within 15 minutes he also assaulted OW.

But as I said, if any information comes out against OW I will change my opinion if real evidence proves to me this shooting wasn't a justifiable homicide.

IMO

Do you have a link to support that it is a fact MB was fleeing a crime scene? Thanks!

Getting the hang of this link thing!

 

[Muffet]

Dang, I had been thinking that OW was behind the guys walking down the middle of the road. Thanks!
Which begs the question, MB and OJ SAW the cop car coming towards them. Why in the Sam Hill didn't they get out of the middle of the street BEFORE they had to be told to get out of the middle of the street? I've seen that street on a normal day through an interview with a retired LE and wow, that street is busy!

Me too.

Now I'm trying to visualize how they were "blocking his way" (reported yesterday?) if he was going in the opposite direction.

I was already behind on reading posts, and now I've lost all my sense of direction. I need to go for a walk. :lol:

 

[Truthy]

I agree that for-profit-prisons are despicable and I also agree and have posted on this thread earlier that our gov't has militarized our LE due to a new incentive program. I forget what it's called but one thing for sure is that it won't go backwards to the way police operated 50 years ago. But it is what is today and anyone foolhearted enough in this day and age to challenge a cop or authorities is looking for trouble.
I am very familiar with the Innocence Project and also about the lack of priority or "resources" to process rape kits.
But the point of the matter is that as we all get older, we learn that life isn't fair, and just try to pick the battles wisely. That is why I mentioned keeping things in perspective.
After age 50, things take on a whole new look. Just saying...just moo.

Oh, I am over 50, LOL. The only thing is things have changed- for the worse- since I was younger, so this IS the "whole new look", LOL.
Is this community invested in the illusion that LE is always always right, and I am upsetting people by saying they make mistakes, or become corrupted some times? I'd be shocked if this was new or controvesial information to anyone. No one is perfect, no system flawless.

 

[zenreaper]

Do you have a link to support that it is a fact MB was fleeing a crime scene? Thanks!

Getting the hang of this link thing!

Don't really think you are, LOL. The first link thing you asked for was to a poster ASKING if MAYBE he had smoked "laced" cigars, an there is VIDEO of him committing the robbery, DP ADMITTED it was him, as did DJ. I mean are we REALLY still debating whether or not MB robbed the store? It would seem that once the FAMILY attorney admits it, it can be accepted as a known.

 

[katydid23]

Although IA with your civil rights comment, why are more lawsuits for millions of dollars the way to go?

What does winning a $200 million lawsuit do for the community? Why not instead, file a lawsuit that demands change instead of monetary rewards for emotional distress?

I was just watching the news and they were discussing a class action lawsuit against FIFA, and American youth soccer. At first I thought, oh boy what now?

Funny enough, it's a lawsuit concerning the issue of FIFA and youth soccer not doing enough to prevent concussions. What are they seeking? $10 million? $50 million? $100 million? No.

They're suing to change the sport, to protect all future kids who might get hurt needlessly b/c these organizations fail to appreciate how dangerous the sport can be.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/s...ds-to-force-rules-changes-in-soccer.html?_r=0


http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/...-rule-changes-in-soccer-expert-weighs-in.html

Or if monetary gain is so important to these plaintiffs, why not state that any money awarded as a result of the lawsuit be directed back into the community to help its citizens, providing better education opportunities, or job training, or whatever else the community as a whole could benefit from? This is a community that desperately needs some positive intervention.

So for me, if this Lawsuit against any and everyone connected with StLPD were about effecting change instead of monetary gain, then I think the idea of multiple lawsuits in an attempt to achieve that goal would be honorable.

But that's just me. JMO
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I agree. Why don't they sue for revision to regulations, requiring all LE to wear body cams/dash cams. And sue to make quotas for more minority outreach to hire black officers.

 

[jmcgladr]

As a resident of Colorado, I assure you that there is a blood test (called the Delta 9) that determines the EFFECTIVE amount of THC in a person's system. I believe the CURRENT regulation in CO is less than 5 nanograms to be able to operate a vehicle.

Well, I can see why that is in place in Colorado, with the recent legalization of pot there. However, I doubt this is use in Missouri, as pot is not legal there so why would you need to know the exact amount? The ordinary tests used do not detect the effective amount of THC. Also, the purpose of this Delta 9 test is to determine whether someone (a living someone) is too intoxicated to drive. MB was not driving, and the test was done postmortem. Have you heard of the Delta 9 test being done postmortem? Or is it more likely the normal toxicology screening done on corpses in possible homicide cases?

 

[Phoebeb]

Me too.

Now I'm trying to visualize how they were "blocking his way" (reported yesterday?) if he was going in the opposite direction.

I was already behind on reading posts, and now I've lost all my sense of direction. I need to go for a walk. :lol:

They were approaching each other, OW leaving the neighborhood, MB and DJ walking deeper into the neighborhood. imo.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oh, I am over 50, LOL. The only thing is things have changed- for the worse- since I was younger, so this IS the "whole new look", LOL.
Is this community invested in the illusion that LE is always always right, and I am upsetting people by saying they make mistakes, or become corrupted some times? I'd be shocked if this was new or controvesial information to anyone. No one is perfect, no system flawless.

IMO it takes more than the word of a known liar & criminal, that was hanging out with an armed robber, to lump Officer Wilson in with bad cops.
Officer Wilson has an impeccable record.


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[zenreaper]

Well, I can see why that is in place in Colorado, with the recent legalization of pot there. However, I doubt this is use in Missouri, as pot is not legal there so why would you need to know the exact amount? The ordinary tests used do not detect the effective amount of THC. Also, the purpose of this Delta 9 test is to determine whether someone (a living someone) is too intoxicated to drive. MB was not driving, and the test was done postmortem. Have you heard of the Delta 9 test being done postmortem? Or is it more likely the normal toxicology screening done on corpses in possible homicide cases?

Don't even know if it will work on a dead body. I was responding to a poster who was stating that the tests only show usage, not time since last use, and I was pointing out that there is a way to determine that. Sorry if I was confusing.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Did you see WHAT they gave Ferguson that made them "militarized"? PoliticsNation with Sharpton showed the list. Ferguson PD got 2 Humvees, a generator and a cargo trailer. Not really something I, personally would want to go to WAR with.

Please read post 1275 cordially provided by Ellie Mae.
The term "militarization" of our police doesn't mean **literally** capable to go to war with say, Russia.
What is means is it is a process; an ongoing process.

And what it means to you and I is we no longer have police officers hanging at the neighborhood curb twirling their billy club.

 

[zenreaper]

IMO it takes more than the word of a known liar & criminal, that was hanging out with an armed robber, to lump Officer Wilson in with bad cops.
Officer Wilson has an impeccable record.


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PURELY speculation, but I have seen it reported that the shiny object near the body might have been a BRACELET worn by DJ. If, as it has been reported, DJ ran as soon as the altercation started, how did he lose his bracelet? Is it possible that he was far more involved in the altercation at the car than he is admitting, and lost the bracelet in that altercation?

 

[jmcgladr]

PURELY speculation, but I have seen it reported that the shiny object near the body might have been a BRACELET worn by DJ. If, as it has been reported, DJ ran as soon as the altercation started, how did he lose his bracelet? Is it possible that he was far more involved in the altercation at the car than he is admitting, and lost the bracelet in that altercation?

Well, if it was found near the body, which was not near the car, how could the bracelet have been lost during the altercation?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Do you have a link to support that it is a fact MB was fleeing a crime scene? Thanks!

Getting the hang of this link thing!

Perhaps you missed the first part of my sentence.

Imo, MB was a felon who was fleeing in order to escape being arrested.

 

[Starry Night]

This will end up with the Officer involved losing his job and Michael Brown's family getting a civil settlement.
I totally agree with that outcome if it happens.
IMO too much police force on Michael Brown.
And please-leave his juvenile record out of this all.
How many amongst us have a child with a juvie record? And how many of our children have been used by thugs to be the fall guy/girl by way of size, beauty, naivety....
Jmo

 

[zenreaper]

Please read post 1275 cordially provided by Ellie Mae.
The term "militarization" of our police doesn't mean **literally** capable to go to war with say, Russia.
What is means is it is a process; an ongoing process.

And what it means to you and I is we no longer have police officers hanging at the neighborhood curb twirling their billy club.

Honestly, as I have no intention of shooting at arriving officers, I don't see the different in them driving up dressed as Officer Friendly in a Crown Vic, or in a Hummer with body armor. OFFENSIVE weapons, yeah, we need to be careful about that, but DEFENSIVE weapons should only be a concern to those wishing to override the defenses, right?

 

[zenreaper]

Well, if it was found near the body, which was not near the car, how could the bracelet have been lost during the altercation?

Could have hung on something and been carried by MB. Of course, if that ISN'T the case, one has to wonder how it DID get near the body, right?

 

[Truthy]

IMO it takes more than the word of a known liar & criminal, that was hanging out with an armed robber, to lump Officer Wilson in with bad cops.
Officer Wilson has an impeccable record.


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I was talking abou tall LE, but.......Still can't dismiss all four of the witnesses until there is something more than Josie's gossip to look at it. I prefer to reserve judgement until the physical evidence comes in. IMHO, that is the way to go. YMMV, no biggie!

 

[jmcgladr]

Could have hung on something and been carried by MB. Of course, if that ISN'T the case, one has to wonder how it DID get near the body, right?

Too many "ifs" for me. We don't even know it was a bracelet at this time. Would need more information. Couldn't it be a bullet casing?