MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #12

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Do you have a link backing up MB smoking laced Swisher Sweets? I have not read that yet. Just speculation here. But your post reads like a factual statement. Thanks in advance!!
No, I'm sorry for not being more clear. I said "could be" only to mean "that would do it."

I don't know how much evidence we have for his ever doing it. I only know it's A Thing.

I actually had written a list of things we need to gather to see what support there was for that speculation, but cut it out, because it got tl;dr. :o

But now that you ask, I agree that it would helpful to gather what we know.

So far, I've seen references to his rap lyrics, a friend's YouTube video, and things on his Memorial site.

If anyone can provide elaboration, quotes, and links, that would be helpful. I really need to take a break.

Thanks for helping us keep a clear line between facts and speculation!
 
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I am WHITE, and I have taught MY children when the cop says you are under arrest, do EXACTLY as he says and say NOTHING until a lawyer gets there. If he is right, you will be okay, if he is in the wrong, you will be okay.

I wish that were true, but agreed, I teach my child to respect LE, too.

I also told her about the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. :lol:

I wish I could believe it would really be okay. I just don't, but what can you do? You just teach your kids to suck it up even when they have done nothing wrong. It is such an awful lesson to teach, though, imo.

But there aren't many options.
 
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I am WHITE, and I have taught MY children when the cop says you are under arrest, do EXACTLY as he says and say NOTHING until a lawyer gets there. If he is right, you will be okay, if he is in the wrong, you will be okay.

I agree completely.
The utter defiance of these two walking down the middle of a 2 lane busy road like they own it is baffling and speaks volumes, especially with a cop oncoming.
 
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Oh, I am over 50, LOL. The only thing is things have changed- for the worse- since I was younger, so this IS the "whole new look", LOL.
Is this community invested in the illusion that LE is always always right, and I am upsetting people by saying they make mistakes, or become corrupted some times? I'd be shocked if this was new or controvesial information to anyone. No one is perfect, no system flawless.

Truthy....sorry to have assumed you were younger but what you were posting reminded me of my college kids chatter after they've taken a Criminology class & I don't mean that disrespectfully to you in any way. The Innocence Project is something that comes up a lot with the college kids I know.
It is refreshing to see your take on things.
I'm probably much more jaded at this point.
You know, the old if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck thing.

Probably many here wish they could be proven wrong about a suspect's guilt after they've surmised and studied case after case. And yet, so much is predictable.
 
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Ok, I got ya.

But one problem I see with this is the automation causation you use to link the robbery to the shooting. I understand it might explain "state of mind" and all that, buttttt just for the whole "looking at it from both sides" thing, let's contemplate this scenario:

-OW drives up and says in a rude manner, "get the f*** off the sidewalk."
-MB and DW, perhaps irritated by the rudeness of how the officer said it, say something like, "chill, man, we're almost home."
-OW drives off, sees BOLO, backs up, and this time says something like, "GET THE FU** OUT OF THE STREET, YOU DAM* FOOLS," in a very strong and condescending tone of voice.
-MB takes offense to the tone and the words used, he turns towards OW and starts talking back, like, "we're almost home, man, why you wig**' out, man, we're just walking in the street, man, why you comin' at us??"
-OW takes out his gun and points it at MB. "I said get back on teh fu**in' sidewalk or I swear I'll shoot you."
-MB gets rattled at the sight of the gun pointed at him. He reaches to try to knock the gun out of OW's gun, who was using it for no other reason than to threaten him unjustly and provoke him.
-Either a shot goes off during this part accidentally, or OW shoots hiim on purpose.
-And the rest goes from there.......

In THIS ABOVE HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION - what does the previous robbery have to do with it? The robbery was not what provoked MB or caused him to have a state of mind which was led to his own death. IN THE ABOVE, what provoked MB was OW's unjust use of a gun for the purpose of unjustly threatening someone.

IN THE ABOVE situation, taken BY ITSELF AND WITHOUT PREJUDICE OF THE ROBBERY, MB made some mistakes and OW also makes a lot of foolish mistakes.

So that state of mind stuff is all good in the scenario which is favorable to OW, but it comes into a whole heck of a lot of holes once you think of the scenario the other way around.

JMO.

OW has never had any Ferguson citizens bring any kind of complaint against him. NONE. So he doesn't seem like the type that would pull a gun, for no reason, on 2 teens, in broad daylight, in front of dozens of locals, who already dislike cops. Why would he do that?

If this was a dark alley, maybe I could believe that scenario. But he was in the middle of a crowded street, surrounded by witnesses.

And the only person who has said that OW STARTED the interaction by saying ' get outta the effin street' is Dorian , the lying liar.

I disagree that you can divorce the robbery, which happened just 10 minutes previously, from the shooting. MB was in the same state of mind as he was in the mini mart--aggressive. imo :cow:
 
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This will end up with the Officer involved losing his job and Michael Browns's family getting a civil settlement.
I totally agree with that outcome if it happens.
IMO too much police force on Michael Brown.
And please-leave his juvenile record out of this all.
How many amongst us have a child with a juvie record? And how many of our children have been used by thugs to be the fall guy/girl by way of size, beauty, naivety....
Jmo

I have to wonder how you have come to this conclusion, since NO evidence to the police officers side has been released? As far as his juvie record, I think WHAT it says should be the deciding factor. Underage drinking, D & D, etc, no big deal. But if Johnson (the guy filing for the records) is correct, and he has a SECOND DEGREE MURDER charge, I think that says a lot and should be looked at, OMO.
 
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Don't even know if it will work on a dead body. I was responding to a poster who was stating that the tests only show usage, not time since last use, and I was pointing out that there is a way to determine that. Sorry if I was confusing.

Just like anything else in a tox screening they will be able to know the level of the pot in his system. I don't think they can tell when he last smoked pot but they will be able to know if he had a high, medium, or low level in his system at death.

I am much more interested in the rest of the tox results which can take weeks to get the results back.

IMO
 
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Well, if it was found near the body, which was not near the car, how could the bracelet have been lost during the altercation?

The unknown object, with a police cone marking it, is on the ground right outside DW's driver side door where the altercation took place, and DJ said when the gun went off, he looked down, and saw blood coming from MB ... so DJ was at the driver's side window area too.
 
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The question is, if MB did have a juvenile record he would have known what to do when an officer places you under arrest. That would be important information in OW's defense, would it not?
 
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I have to wonder how you have come to this conclusion, since NO evidence to the police officers side has been released? As far as his juvie record, I think WHAT it says should be the deciding factor. Underage drinking, D & D, etc, no big deal. But if Johnson (the guy filing for the records) is correct, and he has a SECOND DEGREE MURDER charge, I think that says a lot and should be looked at, OMO.

Since this guy Johnson hasn't apparently seen the records (which is ostensibly why he's filing to get his hands on them) it seems like it is, at best a SWAG (sophisticated wild @ss guess) that MB has a second degree murder charge. But I admit, I have not followed this particular claim closely. How is Johnson claiming to know this?
 
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OK - I am a bit of a dork - but my family and I all just participated in some reenactments of the scene and it was a real eyeopener for all of us. BTW-my sons only thought that the cops shot and unarmed kid for J-walking even though he was running away and shot him in the back 8 times and then shot him some more after he stopped, turned around and had his hands in the air begging him not to shoot. (My boys are 14 and 11 and both thought the same thing.)

Anyway, as I said, it was an eyeopener. I think the thing that really struck all of us as we recreated the scene using my sons airsoft pistol, was just how FAST it all happened. For example, my 14 year old said, "why didn't he just taze him?" Well, when we recreated the scene at the car, I was MB and my son was OW. I had my hands in the air and then went toward him. He immediately went to shoot me. I laughed and said...OK now...when exactly were you going to run back to your vehicle to get your tazer? We did the recreation in many different ways, each of us playing the parts and any which way we tried it with different variations, even the way the original story went, we realized a few things.

#1 - when we did it the way of the original story, it just seemed really weird. Like, honestly, just didn't make any sense and couldn't make it feel right.
#2 - when we did it the way I think happened - WOW - it happens REALLY FAST!!! We got into it, so honestly, my heart was pumping a little bit fast just during the recreation and I knew it was my son and his airsoft pistol!

Anyway, just thought I'd share a little bit of the craziness that The Duchess Family has going on over here.
 
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I'm just shaking my head at how someone might think OW saw TWO black teens just "jaywalking" and decided to shoot ONE of them dead for no reason.
 
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Please read post 1275 cordially provided by Ellie Mae.
The term "militarization" of our police doesn't mean **literally** capable to go to war with say, Russia.
What is means is it is a process; an ongoing process.

And what it means to you and I is we no longer have police officers hanging at the neighborhood curb twirling their billy club.

Yeah, the high powered weapons have been difficult for many to get used to in NYC. I'd never seen anything like that since I spent time in Belfast!
Another sad thing is that when you see a beat cop, inevitably they are playing with their phones. It's as bad as at the office, where you feel guilty for pulling someone away from Candy Crush or whatever to actually work.
See- I AM old, and a cynical curmudgeon, LOL.
 
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The question is, if MB did have a juvenile record he would have known what to do when an officer places you under arrest. That would be important information in OW's defense, would it not?

VERY GOOD POINT!!! I do believe you have won the Internet for the day LambChop!!! Bravo!!! :loveyou:
 
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The question is, if MB did have a juvenile record he would have known what to do when an officer places you under arrest. That would be important information in OW's defense, would it not?

If he had a juvie record, which had been sealed three weeks prior, when he turned 18, he MAY have also had it explained to him that this is SEALED, UNLESS you commit a MAJOR crime, in which case it can be UNSEALED...If the charge is as serious as Johnson indicates (2nd degree murder), he MIGHT fight pretty hard to not have that happen, IMO.
 
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Just like anything else in a tox screening they will be able to know the level of the pot in his system. I don't think they can tell when he last smoked pot but they will be able to know if he had a high, medium, or low level in his system at death.

I am much more interested in the rest of the tox results which can take weeks to get the results back.

IMO

Do you have a link stating MB was high on weed at the time of his death? Thanks in advance!
 
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The unknown object, with a police cone marking it, is on the ground right outside DW's driver side door where the altercation took place, and DJ said when the gun went off, he looked down, and saw blood coming from MB.

Well, that is different from what reaper said - that this object was beside the body. Which as we know, is not near the police cruiser. Thanks for clarifying.
 
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Since this guy Johnson hasn't apparently seen the records (which is ostensibly why he's filing to get his hands on them) it seems like it is, at best a SWAG (sophisticated wild @ss guess) that MB has a second degree murder charge. But I admit, I have not followed this particular claim closely. How is Johnson claiming to know this?

I am reminded of a Law and Order episode (I know, TV, stay with me here, LOL) in which they were trying to get juvie records unsealed. In that show, they mentioned that the FILE can be sealed, but the detectives notes were not, nor were the victims families. Personally, since Johnson (Charles, not D) is PUSHING for them to poop or get off the pot, he has SOMETHING in the wings to SLAP them with if they refuse. Much like a lawyer, a "Gotcha" reporter does not ask questions for which he does not already know the answer.
 
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Well, that is different from what reaper said - that this object was beside the body. Which as we know, is not near the police cruiser. Thanks for clarifying.

Sorry, I did not "see" it, I was going off what another poster said. I probably misread where it was, I am old, LOL
 
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Yeah, the high powered weapons have been difficult for many to get used to in NYC. I'd never seen anything like that since I spent time in Belfast!
Another sad thing is that when you see a beat cop, inevitably they are playing with their phones. It's as bad as at the office, where you feel guilty for pulling someone away from Candy Crush or whatever to actually work.
See- I AM old, and a cynical curmudgeon, LOL.

Can I ask what kinds of "high powered" weapons you are speaking of?
 
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