MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #13

[Lovejac]

Sorry, lovejac,
Instead of saying "his details" I s/h/said "his account" or 'his story."

Just because he may not have known he was being recorded, does not mean he was being truthful.
He may have been trying to impress some chick even though he did not see everything he said he saw.
Some W/S'ers commented that some 'witnesses' have merely parroted others.

Is it poss, do we know unknown guy was not repeating or making things up?

Again, not judging his credibility, just saying I/we do. not know. Or at least I do not know.

Okay, gotcha! I get what you're saying now. It's been a looooooong day, my brain is tired

 

[CHERIE.T]

yep, complete with a eulogy comparing him to Jesus Christ and how he died. I have had some serious wtf moments as i have watched the coverage of this and the complete overreaction to it. MB was instantly elevated to a mythological gentle giant/saint and OW was instantly demonized before any fact were in and even long after the not so pretty truth of MB came out.

Thanks for saying so SwampMama

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Sorry, lovejac,
Instead of saying "his details" I s/h/said "his account" or 'his story."

Just because he may not have known he was being recorded, does not mean he was being truthful.
He may have been trying to impress some chick even though he did not see everything he said he saw.
Some W/S'ers commented that some 'witnesses' have merely parroted others.

Is it poss, do we know unknown guy was not repeating or making things up?

Again, not judging his credibility, just saying I/we do. not know. Or at least I do not know.

Then, according to this position, we should have zero confidence in any eyewitness accounts.

I don't buy this. I believe we are all capable of weighing the circumstances and deciding who measures to be most truthful. Lol, not that we all agree. But it's not right to zero them all out.

 

[Lovejac]

Did the Black Canseco so called "witness" use the term "bum rushed"?

He said 'running' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-teen-surrendered-Officer-Darren-Wilson.html

 

[Tawny]

Did the Black Canseco so called "witness" use the term "bum rushed"?

Why is witness in quotes? Is his credibility in question?

 

[Lovejac]

Why is witness in quotes? Is his credibility in question?

:giggle: I think ALL witnesses in this case are having their credibility questioned.

And that's probably a good thing. I've ruled out several that way.

But this witness in the background on that recording, I find the most credible so far, mainly because he doesn't appear to have an agenda. Unlike many of the players in this case.

 

[tlcya]

been swamped at work and RL lately. Haven't really followed what's happening for several days. Anything new or breaking? This witness being discussed on this page (whose credibility is questioned by some), would this be the guy heard in background of video tape shot by female just after shooting featuring the unidentified male voice in background discussing how Michael just turned and came at the cop and the cop just kept "dumping on him" (emptied his clip into him)?

Because I find him most credible of all JMO.

Any word come back on GJ and their deliverations/decision?

 

[Linda7NJ]

With all due respect, I don't see anyone defending MB or what he did. Having said that, cops aren't allowed to shoot rapists and pedophiles IF IF IF they have surrendered themselves to arrest (even if I might want them to).

And it's a darn shame they can't. IMO


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[reedus23]

oh puleassseeee, he's been defended from day one.

I will bet there are just as many or more that are blindly supporting the cop as there are those who are defending MB. You do know it's possible to say MB was a and yet still believe the shooting was unjustified, right? You do realize that one can believe that MB is a and yet still acknowledge there are issues involving race that have to be worked through in that community irrespective of this case, right? I'll tell you I have seen use the phrase "gentle giant" the most...those who have already reached a conclusion that the shooting was justified.

As always, without commenting one way or the other on MB, I will continue to actually wait for information to be released.

 

[Frydaddy]

If you are truly intersted in what community activists are doing to reduce violence in the black community, you need only to google to find dozens and dozens or recent results in communities across the country. If you are fixated on dates or insist meetings are somehow worthless, we will have to agree to disagree with your assesment that there is no interest or action taken.

That's cool, Stewart mentioned the summit in November and three meetings since, I assumed that was supposed to be proof of something. Must admit, always like Jon Stewart from an entertainment perspective, so my time watching didn't feel wasted.

 

[Frydaddy]

Well I hope to catch up with you some time over the weekend maybe and toss some things back and forth about the actual words spoken. Oh, I could impeach each and every one of them. But I am also of a firm believer that everyone is impeachable, the Pope, Ghandhi, whomever. I'm going to re-read your analysis. I purposefully avoided it the first go around to form my own thoughts, and then on the second reading, read your analysis as well. Hopefully catch you later and bounce thoughts off one another.

Looking forward to it!

 

[reedus23]

Why is witness in quotes? Is his credibility in question?

Every witnesses credibility is in question. His existence as a potential witness isn't in question. I'm guess that's what we're talking about.

 

[reedus23]

And it's a darn shame they can't. IMO


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Won't get an argument from me, but that's just not the way our society works. Or at least not the way it should work.

 

[bwt42]

Every witnesses credibility is in question. His existence as a potential witness isn't in question. I'm guess that's what we're talking about.

We were giving our opinions on what witness was most credible. Any thoughts?

 

[Frydaddy]

I find it interesting that in her video she says "the police killed that boy outside my apartment". If I had just witnessed an unjustified killing I would be saying something along the lines of "I just watched a cop kill that boy in cold blood (add in a few expletives). While she is not me and I am not her, I just feel that if you watched a murder you would be expressing that you saw it and perhaps describing it. It sounds as though she caught the end of it (once Michael was falling) and made her own conclusion JMO.

You got it! They are commenting on a scene after the fact, neither sound like two people who saw the exact same thing happen, yet that's what they keep saying. Their statements are full of errors.

 

[reedus23]

We were giving our opinions on what witness was most credible. Any thoughts?

Not a chance in heck at this point. I mean, what are we going to say if it turns out he too has charges for giving the cops the wrong name and DOB in the past? I will say this, there seems to be quite a bit of consistency between the witnesses so far...though I haven't gone through all of DJ's statements at this point. I think people are just going to have different perspectives of the same events. One person can see something and think it was stumbling. Another person can see the exact same events and think it was steps. Others will use descriptors like charging or bumrush. After we start getting more of the physical evidence in, it might give us a better idea. I'm still interested in knowing if there is a blood trail that goes say 20 feet past where MB ended up and then coming right back to his final resting point. Clear indication he was moving back at the cop. I'd like to know where the casings all ended up. Give us an idea of the cop's movements. I'd like to read the tox report and see if there were signs of bath salts or maybe even cocaine that would lead one to go out of their mind.

 

[jmcgladr]

How can someone (this "Black Conseco") be considered a witness if he was simply overheard speaking and we don't even know who he was speaking to, and we didn't hear anyone ask him to give his account, and we don't know if he even really witnessed the incident? I can't for the life of me understand how someone who was overheard in the background of someone else's tape can possibly be a MORE credible witness to someone who came forward and openly told the media who they were and what they had seen. We have no background on this guy, at all.

 

[bwt42]

How can someone (this "Black Conseco") be considered a witness if he was simply overheard speaking and we don't even know who he was speaking to, and we didn't hear anyone ask him to give his account, and we don't know if he even really witnessed the incident? I can't for the life of me understand how someone who was overheard in the background of someone else's tape can possibly be a MORE credible witness to someone who came forward and openly told the media who they were and what they had seen. We have no background on this guy, at all.

He may have come forward. Not going to the media is a plus for me. If not going to the media is a minus to you thats fine.

 

[New1]

Or it mysteriously broke/fell off on it's own.

At first it looked like a bullet casing, but it's too "gold" imo.
I just noticed the blood. It's not photo shopped out in this picture like it is in most photos.
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I don't see any blood.

 

[reedus23]

Why is witness in quotes? Is his credibility in question?

To try to avoid ducking the question, if we are saying just based on what we know up to this point, I could see arguments made for the witness on the Black Canseco audio, though I have to add the caveat that I'm not sold that we know exactly what he is saying yet. It may end up being exactly what y'all are saying and I wouldn't be surprised if, with further explanation, it doesn't support the cop one bit. It will be interesting to see if everyone still continues to tout his credibility at that point. Doubtful.

Frankly, I can see arguments that the Pharoah twitter user is credible, though we haven't heard him talk much. He was also contemporaneous.

I can understand arguments that Brady is believable. He doesn't oversell things much that I can remember. If I remember correctly, he didn't jump on the hands were up version, but rather simply admitted that he didn't see that.

I have always thought that Mitchell is going to be one of the cop's toughest witnesses to get past. Still not seeing any reason to doubt that.

Crenshaw does make my eyebrows furrow for some reason. I think frydaddy had brought it up a question about the brick wall. I'd want to take a closer look at that, where her windows were at in relation to the brick and in relation to the events on the street. I have no reason to say it at this point, but for some reason I do question if she saw the entire events. I wouldn't be surprised if she saw some part of it though.

Josie isn't even a witness so I'll leave that one alone.