MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #14

[bettybaby00]

I am going to go out on a limb and assume that the residents/visitors of your village have more disposable income than the residents of Ferguson. It wouldn't be hard, there are few spots in the USA that are MORE poor than Ferguson. IIRC, 90% of the kids at Normandy H.S. are on free or reduced school lunches. If residents can't afford food for their kids, how are they supposed to be able to afford pricey traffic fines? And everybody just moving out isn't going to do anything positive either, unless you want to see a ghost town spring up in Ferguson. I don't agree with police forces trying to get a large part of their budget from quotas and fines. I just don't. In this situation, it amounts to a "poor tax."

yup, my community definitely has its share of disposable income. never said it didn't.

my later post however, describes how people need to determine what's a priority when spending money. if all these low income protestors can't afford to feed their kids, how do they afford to buy the iPhones they're using to "document" their oppression?

 

[Linda7NJ]

LOL, I can believe that. Maybe the next lawsuit will be for the air white people breathe?

It annoys me that so many actually believe the "free stuff" like subsidized housing, heating, food stamps, Obama cells phones, Medicade simply falls from the sky.

It doesn't.

That money comes from the sweat of hard working people being taxed to the brink.

Those people that work so hard to have something nice for themselves and their families...they come in all races and shades of color. They're productive...and more and more they are being called to carry some lazy able body to better living conditions.

I don't mind offering anyone that truly needs...a little help. It should be temporary. <modsnip>



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[jmcgladr]

BIB

If residents can't afford to feed their children, maybe they shouldn't be owning a car in the first place. A car is considered a luxury, not a necessity, imo. Also, along with owning & driving a vehicle, comes responsibility.

As I mentioned before, a car is not really a luxury in many parts of America, especially in the suburbs - not if you don't want to walk miles and miles or spend hours getting around. Ferguson is not actually in the city (where most of the good transit systems can usually be found), but is a suburb of St. Louis.

 

[TheDuchess]

yup, my community definitely has its share of disposable income. never said it didn't.

my later post however, describes how people need to determine what's a priority when spending money. if all these low income protestors can't afford to feed their kids, how do they afford to buy the iPhones they're using to "document" their oppression?

BBM

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[Linda7NJ]

I bought into the whole "MB committed a strong arm robbery" thing for quite a while too, but I too am starting to question if this was really the case. I'll leave it at that, because I don't have any MSM links to back up the other scenarios I've heard suggested. I have read, though, that the store clerk never actually called in a robbery at his store, or filled out a robbery report, which seems odd to me. Apparently another customer did - but did that customer have the whole story of what happened?

Thud....


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[Linda7NJ]

As I mentioned before, a car is not really a luxury in many parts of America, especially in the suburbs - not if you don't want to walk miles and miles or spend hours getting around. Ferguson is not actually in the city (where most of the good transit systems can usually be found), but is a suburb of St. Louis.

Then I suggest a move is in order.


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[human]

MSM = isn't what it used to be.
Maybe I should say "journalism" in general. I can't believe how many articles from numerous sources are exactly the same. Word for word.
Someone is still doing investigative journalism, but we won't see them on CNN, HLN or FOX.
moo

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No money to spend on those investigative reporters. So they use a news source

 

[jmcgladr]

http://youtu.be/j-P54MZVxMU

Maybe we didn't watch the same video.

Because this guy clearly was advancing....with a knife.

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I wouldn't describe him as "advancing" on the officers, more like walking parallel to them in their direction. On the other side of a low concrete barrier. With a knife held low and not in any sort of ready position to attack the officers.

 

[TheDuchess]

Regarding the red herring of discussing traffic fines in the city of Ferguson....

My niece, a red headed, blue eyes, freckle faces, 5'0" little white girl from the upper middle class suburbs has unfortunately decided to leave her family (including a total of 4 little boys) for a life of drugs and crime. While she is clean now, her life is in tatters. When she couldn't pay her car insurance, she automatically lost her drivers license (due to it being a provisional d.l. due to lots of past infractions.) She chose to drive knowing that her license is suspended. Guess where she is now. Jail. That's right. Jail. On a $2,500.00 bail which she (nor my brother) cannot afford. I love her, but I plan to have a fun Labor Day weekend with friends and family, not giving as much as a 2nd thought to her plight. She broke the law (again!) knowingly and is now suffering the consequences.

That said she has a variety of options available to her based on her lack of income, etc...that she just can't seem to make accommodations for. Not my fault. Not her dad's fault. Not anyone here's fault. I don't want to sound heartless. But there are choices you make in life and there are consequences to those choices. (Trust me - if you only knew how many years her dad and I and others have done everything in our power to help this woman you would think I was a fool.)

If you can't afford a speeding ticket, guess what..don't speed. I used to get speeding tickets all the time and get mad at the cops and the fines, etc...until guess what...I stopped speeding and haven't gotten a ticket since. It really IS that simple!

 

[human]

My job for over 30 years was teaching children who lived below the poverty level.

The last few years I worked with the homeless which included women from the Domestic Violence Shelter.

I would go out in the community with them to provide educational opportunities and community connections until stable housing could be found.

I am so thankful for this is my life because there is no reason in the world that lives in trauma would have intersected my world.

I wish everyone could develop friendships with people whose lives have been a series of unfortunate experiences.

Many of the women came from alcoholic homes. I will not say 100% , but all I ever met that had drug addiction came from alcoholic homes.

Many of the women had become mothers at age 14 or 15 because they were sexual abuse victims.

Everyday I thank God that I was born in a good situation because that is what happened to me. I did not create loving parents who were able to work and provide a decent home and good schools.

It is merely accident of birth that I was not born under a freeway overpass.

 

[DebinGA]

As I mentioned before, a car is not really a luxury in many parts of America, especially in the suburbs - not if you don't want to walk miles and miles or spend hours getting around. Ferguson is not actually in the city (where most of the good transit systems can usually be found), but is a suburb of St. Louis.

St. Louis County has an extensive bus/metro system which includes Ferguson.

 

[Foxfire]

A biased slant, news being slanted in a certain way? I'm pretty old guys, been around a long time and hasn't that always been the case? I mean is it humanly possible to report news and not have a slanted or 'your' view of what's going on? and even if that is the case don't 'we' the ones watching the news gravitate to news we agree with? I mean I just don't see that being any different. 'We' all have our own views and its generally based on 'our' life experiences. This includes the African American community. Their distrust of law enforcement comes from life experiences. All very understandable in my opinion.

I am very pro law enforcement, have had all good experiences with them, do I think certain groups are targeted by 'some' in law enforcement? Yes I do so although I do think OW was assaulted, I can certainly understand all the distrust in this community.

All my opinion only and posting as Ima, not a moderator.

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Imamaze, thanx for sharing your opinion and beliefs. It is refreshing to see a moderator post their thoughts as a contributor to the topic of discussion..

I am also pro law enforcement. Worked side by side with them for two decades and understand the many different challenges that they face on a daily basis. I have had good, as well as not so good experiences with LE. LE's primary responsibility is Public Safety
Do I think certain groups are targeted by 'some' in law enforcement? Not voluntarily, and only in isolated incidences and rare occasions. Imo, these isolated incidents are simply focused on and magnified by a very liberal leaning and politicized ms media industry..

Imo, due to the internet news and social media, times they are a changin.. While some ms media outlets seem to be more fair and balanced than others. Many, if not most msm continue to have an obvious slant or narrative that they adhere too, measured either by their reporting, omission of pertinent facts of stories covered, or by the omission of other important news stories. Due to real time reporting of news by citizens via cell phones/social media, and 24/7 internet & cable TV news cycles, combined with other free market pressures/corrections. The old saying; 'if you run your business today, like you did yesterday, you may not be in business tomorrow', comes to mind..

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...media-really/2012/04/27/gIQA9jYLmT_story.html <sniped - read more>

Meanwhile, just about every new poll of public sentiment shows that confidence in the news media has hit a new low. Seventy-seven percent of those surveyed by the Pew Research Center in the fall said the media &#8220;tend to favor one side&#8221; compared with 53 percent who said so in 1985

 

[tlcya]

There are many things I could contribute to the current discussion. I also have very strong feelings about such programs and the generational crippling effect it seems to have on attitudes, work ethic, ambition and entitlement. But I think it is time for me to simply take a break instead as I fear a shut down of the thread if it gets too far off on that tangent but if anyone knows of a thread in the political pavilion where this topic is being discussed please shoot me a link because even though I have always avoided that area of WS in the past maybe its time I stopped avoiding and started expressing my views there.

 

[Trident]

http://youtu.be/j-P54MZVxMU

Maybe we didn't watch the same video.

Because this guy clearly was advancing....with a knife.

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If LE fears so much for their life that they have to kill this young man, maybe they need to find another, less stressful job, one that requires less courage - how about rent a cop where they can intimidate the oldsters, people in wheel chairs?

C'mon, I want law and order, but I do NOT want a young man, mentally ill or not, executed by our finest. I want integrity, compassion, at least SOME brains at work. Is that too much to ask.

Hell, I could have talked that young man down (and I say young man instead of boy, because he does have my respect, and sympathy.)

 

[LambChop]

As I mentioned before, a car is not really a luxury in many parts of America, especially in the suburbs - not if you don't want to walk miles and miles or spend hours getting around. Ferguson is not actually in the city (where most of the good transit systems can usually be found), but is a suburb of St. Louis.

I live in a very rural, farming community in the South. Many folks can't afford a car. They ride their bikes, walk, ask friends and there is a county bus service that you can call at the cost of a couple of dollars, they will pick you up for appointments, shopping, etc. and return when you are done to bring you home. Crime rate is very low.

 

[Ladylub]

I do not agree that speaking in a serious tone and commanding authority shows disrespect to the neighborhood. They are trained to close off the immediate area immediately to preserve the integrity of the scene. They don't have time for niceties, IMO. The moment they let down their guard, it is very simple for things to escalate quickly.

I think many confuse the cop voice with being mean and disrespect. Cop voice is much like mom voice. Though I think some kids would rather hear cop voice over mom depending on what they did and how much bs mom will take. Cops will have some sort of filter if you push a mom to a point filter get thrown away and crushed. At work we caught a boy ( 10 yr old) stealing. Our officer on duty called the boy's mom. She and the cop talked a bit when she got there then came over to the boy and I. She asked him in her mom voice do you want to speak to me or him. He picked the cop. I said wise choice now lets start using that voice of reason on things like stealing next time. Had she kept going I think I would have confessed to stealing the money as well, mom was not playing at all.

 

[TheDuchess]

Then I suggest a move is in order.


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JMO

 

[Ladylub]

If LE fears so much for their life that they have to kill this young man, maybe they need to find another, less stressful job, one that requires less courage - how about rent a cop where they can intimidate the oldsters, people in wheel chairs?

C'mon, I want law and order, but I do NOT want a young man, mentally ill or not, executed by our finest. I want integrity, compassion, at least SOME brains at work. Is that too much to ask.

Hell, I could have talked that young man down (and I say young man instead of boy, because he does have my respect, and sympathy.)

You could have talked him down simply b/c you saw the entire episode of events. These cops walked up blind to the situation at hand. They did not know how he was acting before they arrived other then what was said during the 911 call. They only knew he had a knife and advancing on them.

 

[Trident]

Well, that post went south, into the ether. I will simply reiterate that I saw no knife, I saw a young man putting two sport drink on the curb, walking a bit to the right and standing there. I saw no knife, but he may have swung one around a long way, longer than would have bother me, didn't rush them with the magic knife that would have the throats of two policemen

 

[Ladylub]

They didn't "walk" up. They were in the police car.

Do I need to be that technical here. Okay let me reword it
You could have talked him down simply b/c you saw the entire episode of events. These cops drove up blind to the situation at hand. They did not know how he was acting before they arrived other then what was said during the 911 call. They only knew he had a knife and advancing on them.