MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #16

[K_Z]

If they fought over the gun, and if it was pointed towards the officer at some point, and it was shot during the struggle, then it is a class A felony, imo. That would be an attempted murder charge if he had a Sig pointed point blank range at the officer and was attempting to fire it.

Oh yes. Totally agree with this. The struggle INSIDE the officer's patrol vehicle, the assault to the HEAD and EYE/ FACE of the officer, and the discharge of the gun, IMO, makes this a Class A felony (maybe several Class A felonies) beyond a shadow of a doubt.

This wasn't a little bump or shove of a LEO. And if the assaultive blow was actually in the very near vicinity of the eye and eye socket, one could argue that the intent was to disable the vision, and consciousness, and clear thinking ability of the officer--to in fact, substantially disable his ability to respond. Combine that with the struggle over the gun, and the actual discharge of the gun inside the patrol vehicle--- and yeah, just no way would that be less than at least one, if not several, Class A felonies, IMO.

And remember, at the time of the assault and struggle inside the car, Dorian Johnson was.....where? Standing right there watching? He sure wasn't pulling MB off the officer, or trying to persuade MB to STOP. There were TWO suspects. Dorian Johnson was no innocent bystander on the sidewalk when this started. The officer had to be intensely worried about BOTH of them. And he had no idea at this point if either one, or both, had guns or other weapons. And with one suspect attacking him and trying to get his gun inside his vehicle, what was the officer to do? Counsel them? Hug them, and ask them how they were feeling about attacking a police officer? Sheesh.

Dorian Johnson has managed to cut himself a deal (IMO) to make him look completely innocent in all this. As if he was just crossing the street when it happened. IMO, he deserves criminal charges. He is getting off scot free, IMO.

 

[Dana]

Ray Downs ‏@RayDowns 2m
1/2)Wilson supporters in O'Fallon almost exclusively concerned about shooting. Ferguson protesters care about that, but also policing system


Ray Downs ‏@RayDowns 7s
2/2) Wilson supporters I spoke to don't believe there's problems with policing system and support for Wilson based on faith in police

O'Fallon (St Charles, Mo) is around 25-30 miles from Ferguson

I have friends who live in O'Fallon...I lived there at one time and the PD in the area were fantastic

 

[formerjerseygirl]

Make that 3 :wave:

Make that 4--but i refer to mine as my dumb phone.

 

[popsicle]

O'Fallon (St Charles, Mo) is around 25-30 miles from Ferguson

I have friends who live in O'Fallon...I lived there at one time and the PD in the area were fantastic

Ray Downs @RayDowns · 3h

At this bar in O'Fallon, they're having a Darren Wilson benefit and playing Flo Rida.

 

[Peliman]

If they fought over the gun, and if it was pointed towards the officer at some point, and it was shot during the struggle, then it is a class A felony, imo. That would be an attempted murder charge if he had a Sig pointed point blank range at the officer and was attempting to fire it.

There ya go, the closing the car door on OW, the struggle for the gun, the gun discharging all became a felony subject to arrest. I'm listening to what happened afterward and not that many credible witnesses around.

Justice cuts two-ways.

 

[formerjerseygirl]

Somewhat ot- justice with judge janine is on late tonight. She mentioned how no officials were at james foleys service but hey they were at ferguson. She is on a roll tonight.

 

[al66pine]

...

Then watch this: http://Instagram.com/p/riPFZ8oeQy/ (Moments after the shooting of mike brown. All the eye witness all the real story). ....​

SBM

I watched that vid. Can't tell what is being said. Anyone?
Is that a clip by the yard-dudes working at Canfield - the ones who talked to MB?
And is that supposed to tell /show us something?
Thx in adv.

 

[momrids6]

Retweeted by Jeremy Kohler
​

Antonio French ‏@AntonioFrench 9m
Protestors on W. Florissant and Canfield. #Ferguson
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bw5DtI0IMAAxpTt.jpg

​

Retweeted by Jeremy Kohler
​

Antonio French ‏@AntonioFrench 20m
Protestors marching up the center of W. Florissant right now in #Ferguson.
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/9E...p4?versionId=vk1ZfRX8RZj1hxgoG1ynmxdFHxS6Ibz3


​

Are they walking in the middle of the street to make a point about MB walking in the middle of the street?

Doesn't look very safe and it's getting dark

in the first video where they are marching in the street, someone is dragging a baby along with them...good lord why! At the end a couple ppl aren't marching they are just walking in the middle of traffic for the heck of it it appears. It's less than 4 mins long.

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930

ummm well, what the hello do they want shut down? the road?

An Altercation maybe... a dare. idk

Well, they accomplished child endangerment; jaywalking, impeding traffic, wreckless endangerment, and I'm sure a few more: all caught on film....

 

[katydid23]

Well, they accomplished child endangerment; jaywalking, impeding traffic, wreckless endangerment, and I'm sure a few more: all caught on film....

And it is going to be a routine, I suppose. Especially if they are setting up camp sites now.

 

[gramcracker]

https://news.vice.com/article/things-in-ferguson-are-going-to-change-for-real

https://news.vice.com/article/court...convictions-and-thats-beside-the-point-anyway

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

So the answer to my earlier post about what will happen if they don't like the results of the investigation is this; they will destroy their community & what happened previously would look like a "picnic" in comparison?

Well if I lived there (regardless of how I felt about the case) I'd be saying "Thanks for the heads up" and I'd be gone for a while---if not permanently !

Antagonize, burn, loot, destroy further? And still live there in that combat zone?
No thanks!

They don't really understand that they pose no real threat to militarized police or the National Guard.

And they also don't understand how people from differing perspectives view/feel about it & that stirs up emotions (and perhaps reactions) that may not serve that community well.

 

[dandy]

in the first video where they are marching in the street, someone is dragging a baby along with them...good lord why! At the end a couple ppl aren't marching they are just walking in the middle of traffic for the heck of it it appears. It's less than 4 mins long.

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930

hopefully at the next city council meeting - they'll pass a law that requires a permit to hold a rally. sheesh - at least the street should be blocked off from traffic - for the safety of the protestors and citizens.

 

[dandy]

On a boring Saturday night, with no serious new news (outside of the new witness coming forward) I was wondering if it would be ok to take an informal poll? I was wondering who you initially "sided" with (MB/OW for clarity,) if you opinion has changed and what your tipping point was that perhaps changed your change in direction, either way.

For me, I initially sided with MB and began to lean toward OW after the store video and completely flipped when I learned of the punch in the face.

TIA

can this be stretched to a boring sunday morning? i had the same reaction - a senseless shooting. i still have a string of hope that dj will tell the truth and speak to the protestors, clergy & family = he could be a real leader in this if he'd step up. imo it's all on his shoulders/conscience.

also, iirc, that friday was the last day the ferguson police chief had control of the information/case and that on saturday it was handed over to the st. louis county. he knew he had to get the video out there - even with the objections of holder/doj.

what i don't understand is why they would object - from news reports they said it would be inciteful & damaging. to me, it put things into perspective. doj knew he committed a felony.

imo

 

[popsicle]

SBM

I watched that vid. Can't tell what is being said. Anyone?
Is that a clip by the yard-dudes working at Canfield - the ones who talked to MB?
And is that supposed to tell /show us something?
Thx in adv.

I couldn't figure out what they were saying but his hand movements were obvious. I think it was the yard work guys but I'm not sure. If so, it doesn't appear they had a very good view and I wonder if the guy was on the phone with 911 or was he on a phone call the whole time. jmo

 

[DebinGA]

Yes, this article is a "fluff piece", but produced well before MB was killed, so the integrity of the motivation for the story is sound, IMO. It was published July 2014. This lady is a forensic "rock star", to be grouped right up there with Arpad Vass, Bill Bass, Micheal Baden, etc. This lady is no Shiping Bao, IMO! Her autopsy, and her conclusions, will be very, very thorough, and un-impeachable, IMO.

Hope someone else will enjoy this article again as much as I did. The cases that are outlined are pretty fascinating. Here is the link again.

http://www.stlmag.com/news/call-it-murder/

rsbm to save space
The best word imo is "Wow". No wonder Dr. Case felt no hesitation in calling out SP for the fraud he is. This bit from Dr. Case struck me as important:

"The brain bangs against the skull, and the impact can tear blood vessels and axons, causing concussion, loss of consciousness, permanent dam-age, or death. Ironically, not even the safety helmets parents beg their children to wear can protect against this kind of acceleration injury. “It can lessen impact and keep the skull from fracturing,” Case says. “But the worst thing you can do is cause the head to move very abruptly.”

Seems at the very least MB's abrupt bang/s to DW's head, especially since his head was likely stationary as his movement was very limited at the time, resulted in internal damage of some kind which affected his subsequent actions. Trying to think how DW could be blamed for getting his head bashed, i.e. what possible excuse could his defenders give for MB doing that? DJ's tale of MB being grabbed around his neck by DW through the car window without warning or reason, presumably pre-bangs, isn't believable. I can imagine DW using his left arm near MB's neck shoulder to try to push him back/off during the unprovoked attack. It's impossible to believe the huge, standing MB was incapable of stepping back a step and breaking DW's supposed, left-handed hold on him from within the cruiser.

 

[popsicle]

[h=1]Police officer shot in north St. Louis County[/h]
http://fox2now.com/2014/09/07/police-officer-shot-in-north-st-louis-county/

 

[dandy]

was thinking - would i be able to return to work if i was ow? so - googled where are the cops from the diallo shooting. so, i guess it can be done - even under the worst circumstances = no firearm.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/03/n...o-shot-at-her-son-will-get-gun-back.html?_r=0

 

[Sonya610]

So the answer to my earlier post about what will happen if they don't like the results of the investigation is this; they will destroy their community & what happened previously would look like a "picnic" in comparison?

Well if I lived there (regardless of how I felt about the case) I'd be saying "Thanks for the heads up" and I'd be gone for a while---if not permanently !

Yes, I expect there will be more looting and violence, possibly including random non-protestors being targeted. The crowd has already had practice, they will have had a nice long "rest" plus there were very few rioters arrested the first time so that will likely encourage more unlawful activity.

Business owners and non-protestors in that area had better be prepared to protect themselves and their property, including folks driving on the highway through St. Louis. I won't have nearly as much sympathy for the victims of the next wave if they did NOT take steps to prepare.

There could also be attacks/killings of "non-MB sympathizers" in other parts of the country, though they may not get much media coverage.

<modsnip>

 

[DebinGA]

http://instagram.com/p/riPFZ8oeQy/

Short video of purported landscape guys MB spoke to on his way to the store. They both seem to be white, and one seems to reenact MB putting his hands in the air. In his version MB's arms were raised and wide, away from his body, but MB was approaching DW as DW was backing away.

 

[Lovejac]

Did MB and ODW have a verbal & physical altercation of some kind at FPD vehicle?
Did ODW's firearm discharge in/at the car during their altercation?

If no to both, skip the rest of this post.
If yes to both, select from answers below (cut & paste or drop & drag, into Template below, then post.)

FIRST. Select one or more.
What did MB do at vehicle before gun discharged?
MB failed to comply w ODW's lawful order.
MB used profanity to ODW.
MB used his closed fist to hit ODW.
MB pushed ODW from driver position further into vehicle.
MB slammed vehicle door back on ODW.
MB reached for ODW's firearm.
MB got hold of or grasp of ODW's firearm.


SECOND. Select one only from below, or comment in free-form.
After the first discharge in/at vehicle, what did MB do?

MB ran away from ODW part of time ODW fired at him, turned, w hands at waist.......................charged/bum-rushed ODW.

Other ____________________________________________________________________________

THIRD.
In light of your selections above, did MB (one only)
--- Attempt to kill or knowingly cause or attempt to cause serious physical injury to ODW?


Thx in adv.

================================================================================

You certainly put a lot of effort in your post and I appreciate it :loveyou: