MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #16

[Oceans]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2811144/

http://psychcentral.com/lib/cannabis-may-cause-schizophrenia-like-brain-changes/00012781

http://m.livescience.com/17707-marijuana-thc-brain-psychosis.html



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WOW! That's shocking! I didn't know that marijuana could have such an severe impact on the brain! Thanks for this info.

 

[reedus23]

They rarely put the name of the person who is making the complaint because no one wants to be labeled a snitch. The police have the info but they dont always put it on the reports.

If this came from an FOIA then MB's name would not be redacted.

I completely get the reason for redacting that information, but the first thing that comes to mind is so much for transparency. I would hope at least the lawyers get unredacted reports. More particularly, the reports that actually have the reporting officer's name on it.

 

[Klood-N]

WOW! That's shocking! I didn't know that marijuana could have such an severe impact on the brain! Thanks for this info.

It's sad because we know Michael's mom fought to get him to finish school. And it's a real accomplishment for both of them that he did. There are so many potential lessons in Michael's story that it seems are being buried that could honestly help others, I think. Facts help people make better decisions.

 

[CHERIE.T]

So, from that, are we to conclude that DW must be guilty? Or... what? I'm trying to understand what police behavior in your city has to do with the Michael Brown case.

Agree. This discussion is about what happened in Ferguson.

 

[Lovejac]

Wow, amazing he could afford a nice sports car and the high insurance cost on only a PT salary all by himself! That is almost impossible to do these days, he must have saved for many years!
Just curious- was his car or person searched at all of these stops?

Truly amazing things can happen when you work hard and save your money.

It really is just that easy.

 

[fran]

Just a reminder. Please do not post other cases in this thread. If it is new information about a shooting please start a new thread in the Crimes in the News, Crimes - Spotlight on Children, or Up to the Minute News threads.


Thanks, Lambchop

:bump:

 

[Linda7NJ]

So poverty striken people can suffer from Affluenza, too?

Who knew.

IMO
It's a sense of entitlement.


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[reedus23]

But even if he was shot at while fleeing, it would still be a legal and justified shooting. An officer has the right and the responsibility to use lethal force to stop a fleeing felon if there is a danger to the community or himself.

Could be. If it were also immediately necessary to effect the arrest. Of course, that belief and the belief that he was a danger to the community must be reasonable. I would imagine that such a threat has to be more than just some hypothetical, well he could have taken hostages if he got away or he could have beaten somebody else up if he got away. Based off of the facts as we know them now, it will come down to whether or not DW's belief that deadly force was immediately necessary to effect the arrest and his belief that MB posed an immediate threat of serious physical injury/death to DW himself were reasonable. Based on the facts known to date, I haven't heard anything that suggested he posed an immediate threat of physical injury/death to the community at the time of the fatal shots. Simply saying he was a or menace to society isn't enough. Of course, that could change if, for example, there is witness testimony that MB tried to tackle a bystander or was beating on a bystander at the time of the fatal shots.

 

[katydid23]

Some people have jobs, and then through no fault of their own, they lose their jobs and home.

And some girls are sexual abuse victims and have a baby starting at age 14 and then continue to have more because this time the guy loves her. Not.

Or she ends up with a cheater, or an abuser, or an alcoholic or a druggie.

Or she develops a health problem or someone in her family does or.....

We are lucky. None of those things happened to us. Not because I am someone special. Just lucky so far.

I was a child sexual abuse survivor, starting about age 5 lasting for a few years.
It created some very bad symptoms which I dealt with for my teen years, like promiscuity and drug use.
My first husband was a cheater and an abuser.
So NO, I am not so LUCKY. :no:

But I went to many incest survivor counselor groups over the years, and FOUGHT HARD to heal and become healthy again.

So NOOOOO, I don't make excuses for anyone who says they cannot figure out a way to drive legally.

 

[Oceans]

Didn't Piaget say she called the media to come? And it appeared that the Black Panthers and Anthony Shahid who refers to himself as an agitator were on scene fast that day. I think the media became a tool to foment outrage whether intentionally or not. I'm glad people have found outlets for facts and information when many in the media became too invested in the narrative to research.

I cannot remember this detail if Piaget called the media and how they have the connection to the Black Panthers. I believe Piaget is a FB friend of the girl connected with the Black Panthers. And they are probably connected with Anthony Shahid. Furthermore, I don't believe everything Piaget said. IMO, some "tweaking" was done to "present" the case in the "right light". But they sure used this case to get attention, media attention etc. And people like Sharpton and Co showed up quickly. JMO.

 

[tlcya]

I suppose it could have been, but it sure didn't look like what he grabbed was 50 to 100 cigars. That was my first thought when they said they were swisher-sweets....there's no way they're $50. Those things are cheap. I guess if he snagged 50 plus it can add up to that amount though.

In the video I saw MB grab and entire display box of packaged cigarellos and then proceed to drop and pick up a handful of those packages. The swisher sweet slender variety usually come three to a package at several dollars per package. So if he took ten or twelve of those packets, that would easily equal $48 dollars in retail value.

Those same swishers are in the exact same display box situated prominently on the counter at the corner convenience store in my hood. because they are the most popular means of rolling blunts in my area.

 

[Klood-N]

Given that Michael had just been violent with a clerk and the officer, it seems unreasonable to think he'd go from assaulting an officer and going for his gun to suddenly nonviolent with anyone else he encountered at that time. Taking a hostage, holing up in someone's home, carjacking are all things criminals have done when trying to flee apprehension. None of the statutes everybody posted seemed to indicate that there had to be imminent threat to a specific person for the shoot to be lawful, in my opinion.

(Oops. Forgot reply w quote button. This goes with Reedus's post.)

 

[nothingnew]

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I missed it because there was no name redacted which is what I was looking to find.

I find the report odd in that it does not have witness information like name, address, and phone numbers other than a ss# and the business address. Also the fact that DJ's address and information are not redacted. Is that normal to have the address of a suspect not redacted? In the police reports I have read that information is redacted if my memory is correct.

The redactions of witness info are for security purposes I believe. Not sure what is normal as far as leaving in the information of the "suspects"- DJ & MB. When reading redacted reports during Casey anthony trial I remember that some of the reports you could highlight over the redactions and it would show what was supossedly redacted. That was a human error issue though and LOTS of pages.

 

[katydid23]

Could be. If it were also immediately necessary to effect the arrest. Of course, that belief and the belief that he was a danger to the community must be reasonable. I would imagine that such a threat has to be more than just some hypothetical, well he could have taken hostages if he got away or he could have beaten somebody else up if he got away. Based off of the facts as we know them now, it will come down to whether or not DW's belief that deadly force was immediately necessary to effect the arrest and his belief that MB posed an immediate threat of serious physical injury/death to DW himself were reasonable. Based on the facts known to date, I haven't heard anything that suggested he posed an immediate threat of physical injury/death to the community at the time of the fatal shots. Simply saying he was a or menace to society isn't enough. Of course, that could change if, for example, there is witness testimony that MB tried to tackle a bystander or was beating on a bystander at the time of the fatal shots.

Legally, it is not a 'belief' that is to be looked at with 20/20 hindsight. It is up to the officers reasonable belief in the moment. And given the injuries to his face, and the struggle over the gun, and the shot fired, imo, he had a reasonable belief that this was a very dangerous man.

Especially if the cop was blindsided, bumrushed. That makes him believe it is a very violent, impulsive person, who is acting irrationally. It becomes the officers responsibility to stop this man who assaulted him, imo.

eta: it does not matter if the suspect tried to attack anyone else at the time of the shooting. Just the fact that he was running from the officer, who he tried to kill, when they struggled over the gun, is enough to make him a public threat.

 

[sonjay]

Link to where people are saying this, please! Thanks.

Lawyers Ask Ferguson Mayor to Grant Amnesty for Nonviolent Warrants
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/da...ant_amnesty_for_nonviolent_bench_warrants.php

Lawyers said they should get amnesty for all non-violent offenses:

The letter goes on to urge Knowles to take the following actions:
- Remit all outstanding fines from non-violent offenses in their entirety and cancel any warrants associated with those offenses.
- Pardon all pending unassessed cases alleging non-violent offenses and recall any warrants associated with those cases.
​

The lawyers did not mention any non-violent offenses they would specifically exclude from the requested amnesty. Therefore, I can only interpret their request as including shoplifting, drunk driving, burglary, etc.

In response, I said that if the laws are unfair they should repeal the laws, rather than asking for a get-out-of-jail-free card for some people.

 

[Klood-N]

I cannot remember this detail if Piaget called the media and how they have the connection to the Black Panthers. I believe Piaget is a FB friend of the girl connected with the Black Panthers. And they are probably connected with Anthony Shahid. Furthermore, I don't believe everything Piaget said. IMO, some "tweaking" was done to "present" the case in the "right light". But they sure used this case to get attention, media attention etc. And people like Sharpton and Co showed up quickly. JMO.

Tweaking the story or something with Piaget. I saw the long analytical posts about her different statements. I'm guessing the grand jury will know if multiple versions were told by witnesses and what doesn't fit with the physical evidence,

 

[Truthy]

Truly amazing things can happen when you work hard and save your money.

It really is just that easy.

Or if you're a typical middle class kid, whose parent paid for most costs of a first car. And bailed their kid out of trouble a few times, which a few Sleuthers have described doing in the last thread. Yep, things like that can make all the difference in life.

 

[Truthy]

Lawyers Ask Ferguson Mayor to Grant Amnesty for Nonviolent Warrants
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/da...ant_amnesty_for_nonviolent_bench_warrants.php

Lawyers said they should get amnesty for all non-violent offenses:

The letter goes on to urge Knowles to take the following actions:
- Remit all outstanding fines from non-violent offenses in their entirety and cancel any warrants associated with those offenses.
- Pardon all pending unassessed cases alleging non-violent offenses and recall any warrants associated with those cases.
​

The lawyers did not mention any non-violent offenses they would specifically exclude from the requested amnesty. Therefore, I can only interpret their request as including shoplifting, drunk driving, burglary, etc.

In response, I said that if the laws are unfair they should repeal the laws, rather than asking for a get-out-of-jail-free card for some people.

I just saw an interesting article about profiling for profit. Some LEOs have hired consulting agencies that help them target for maximum profit outcomes- often seizing property when no crime was committed! Scandalous, IMHO.

Will find the link and add here.

It's not that the laws are unfair- it's just that statistic show that certain communities and skin colors are targeted for "enforcement" more than others- even if they are finding more drugs in white people's cars (as they were in Ferguson).

Didn't find the other article yet, but this is interesting:

http://www.civilrights.org/publications/reports/racial-profiling2011/the-reality-of-racial.html

 

[Oceans]

It's sad because we know Michael's mom fought to get him to finish school. And it's a real accomplishment for both of them that he did. There are so many potential lessons in Michael's story that it seems are being buried that could honestly help others, I think. Facts help people make better decisions.

I thought the same, MB really gave it an effort to graduate and it seemed it was so important to his Mom, probably that he had a better chance in life, to get a job ect.

There are no winners in a case like this. Maybe only lessons to be learned on so many levels.

JMO

 

[CHERIE.T]

Wish we had something new to chomp on.