MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #16

[Muffet]

DId you get a good look see at the photo sstarr posted above?
I can't figure out what the man in the red
shirt had around his neck?
Press passes? idk

That's Shahid* standing with MB's mom, and I can't figure out what those white things are, either.

Some look like modified tennis balls.

Weird.

* whose beliefs I and others think make those like Louis Farrakhan and Sharpton look like teddy bears

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[Muffet]

But it is a tacit agreement. . .consent by omission. If not everyone there agrees with the rioting and death threats, then they should leave and have their own separate peaceful protest. The very nature of a protest is many people coming together, en masse, to be heard as a single voice.

I don't doubt that there were some who showed up for legitimate reasons. But when things started getting ugly, they should have spoke up or left. To continue is consent by omission.

MOO

^This

I'm sure not everyone will agree with it, but I do, 100%. You put it very well, thanks.

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[TheDuchess]

tlcya
Thanks for your contribs to this thread (and others) and your articulate insights offered.

Mods, pls consider this post as a request to break into 2 diff threads (at least,imo), as tlcya suggests above.

1 = LEO DW and Ferguson resident MB and possible indictmt of LEO.
2 = Investigations other than above poss crim case.
IIRC, we have
---DOJ investigation of LEO DW's use of force in above incident ............................................(my inartful paraphrasing)
---DOJ investigation of possible LE racial profiling/bias/discrimination in issuing traffic tickets ...(my inartful paraphrasing)
---DOJ investigation of _____(???)

Thread 1 involves several elements of defense of person & assault on LEO, and one set of facts, many unknown at this point.
Thread 2 involves dozens or hundreds of factors other than the above.

So much confusion could be eliminated or at least reduced.

Mods, thanks for your consideration of this idea.

I love your idea. And it still buds me that this thread is under the forum "Crimes in the News" as if a crime has been committed. Well, I guess we know there has been several crimes committed, but it seems like it infers OW has committed a crime and many of us here do not feel that is the case.

 

[LambChop]

tlcya
Thanks for your contribs to this thread (and others) and your articulate insights offered.

Mods, pls consider this post as a request to break into 2 diff threads (at least,imo), as tlcya suggests above.

1 = LEO DW and Ferguson resident MB and possible indictmt of LEO.
2 = Investigations other than above poss crim case.
IIRC, we have
---DOJ investigation of LEO DW's use of force in above incident ............................................(my inartful paraphrasing)
---DOJ investigation of possible LE racial profiling/bias/discrimination in issuing traffic tickets ...(my inartful paraphrasing)
---DOJ investigation of _____(???)

Thread 1 involves several elements of defense of person & assault on LEO, and one set of facts, many unknown at this point.
Thread 2 involves dozens or hundreds of factors other than the above.

So much confusion could be eliminated or at least reduced.

Mods, thanks for your consideration of this idea.

We have no information on the DOJ's investigation so there is no need for a thread at this time. Thank you for asking.

 

[CHERIE.T]

He's been granted immunity? Or is that another lie?

Ill take a guess......
more bs>>>> same pile.

 

[popsicle]

I love your idea. And it still buds me that this thread is under the forum "Crimes in the News" as if a crime has been committed. Well, I guess we know there has been several crimes committed, but it seems like it infers OW has committed a crime and many of us here do not feel that is the case.

It was placed in the Crimes area because of the way the protesters were acting iirc and jmo. Well... now that we know more, it could also be said because of MB's crimes too.

 

[Muffet]

Among those who spoke was Anthony Gray, an attorney for the Brown family.

“Darren Wilson should be arrested, he should be booked, he should be fingerprinted and he should be photographed,” Gray says.

The Rev. Carlton Lee with the local chapter of the National Action Network agreed.

“Either we need to redefine what probable cause means, and say that police are not subject to it, or we arrest officers right away, just as we would with any other person accused of committing a crime,” he says.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/09...son-police-officer-in-michael-brown-shooting/

https://twitter.com/brettblumekmox/status/509357101664071680/photo/1

They want to redefine many laws we have, some of which are debatable, maybe, but the OR ELSE aspect of their repeated demands is unacceptable IMO.

Ever since they started these threats, my gut has reacted with "America doesn't negotiate with terrorists."

Since they've only upped the ante, my brain has decided it's really the appropriate response. IMO



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[Klood-N]

The opinions expressed seemed to indicate that an indictment was required in order to make an arrest, which isn't factual.

Looked to me like people were discussing the family's attorney calling for an arrest prior to an indictment or true bill of Wilson, meaning this case not theoreticals. McCulloch's office has laid out the process for officer involved shootings, including this one.

 

[sorrell skye]

I love your idea. And it still buds me that this thread is under the forum "Crimes in the News" as if a crime has been committed. Well, I guess we know there has been several crimes committed, but it seems like it infers OW has committed a crime and many of us here do not feel that is the case.

I remember when this case was moved to Crimes in the News. It was after the looting, arson, and other unlawful activities took place in Ferguson in the days following August 9.

The unlawful riots, looting, and arson were the obvious crimes. It has yet to be decided whether or not Officer Wilson committed a crime when he shot and killed MB, so I must say I don't understand why this case is in the crimes category.

 

[branwynbreeze]

RE: civil unrest. OT, we where hit hard by 1993 earthquake. It was eerie to see a fire breakout in hills above us and no emergency vehicles coming. My neighbor ( Marine explosives expert served in Vietnam) dressed like Rambo pulls out of his driveway on ATV and starts to patrol neighborhood. My hubby (Air Force) ran inside and armed himself. After about 10 minutes neighbors wife made them put their toys away.

 

[Klood-N]

Crimes seems a good area to me given all the crimes in the case, including the running list of possible charges and statutes, not to mention multiple criminals and criminal acts around this case.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I have to wonder if they intentionally are using the term "gentle giant" because it is in reference to the mentally-impaired character Lennie, Steinbeck portrayed in Of Mice and Men and applied to those who commit crimes and don't realize it because of their mental impairment. For whatever reason, Brown had difficulty completing high school. He had no driver's license.

I have to wonder if he was able to pass the driving test but I think he was dangerous and his family was well aware of it, which is why he was crashing on his grandmother's sofa rather than in a bed of his own.

JMO


“I think [John Steinbeck] would be pleased that the world recognizes that Lennie is a gentle giant who is not morally culpable, and that people like Lennie, people who are not the worst of the worst…should never be subject to the death penalty even though they might have caused someone’s death,” she says.

Cochran admits she’s far more comfortable interpreting the law than writing it, and she wishes Texas lawmakers would get around to defining intellectual disabilities for death row appeals. But for now, or at least until the Supreme Court changes it, her ruling—including Lennie Small–is the law of the land in Texas.



http://www.lifeofthelaw.org/judging-steinbeck-lennie/

bbm
Great question.

 

[branwynbreeze]

But what about unlawful protest, because that's what freeway shutdown will be.

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The family of Michael Brown, Jr. wishes to express that they oppose and are not in any way affiliated with plans for non-peaceful protest.
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[TheDuchess]

bbm
Great question.

It makes for great theater...which to me, is what this has become.

 

[Muffet]

He was not "jaywalking", which is attempting to cross a street ("cross" is important, here). He was walking down the middle of the street. "Swaggering" or "sauntering" might be more applicable terms.

For your convenience, I am providing the definition of jaywalking below, so there will be no further confusion:

Jaywalking is illegal or reckless pedestrian crossing of a roadway. ... crossings where motorists are required to give way to pedestrians under defined conditions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking

Yes, but "Jaywalking" just sounds so much better it's a helpful rhetorical device to push a desired perception, I doubt MB defenders will ever quit pushing it out there.

Just like "it was more of a shoplifting situation." And "typical kid stuff"... Etcetera. Etcetera...



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[popsicle]

I remember when this case was moved to Crimes in the News. It was after the looting, arson, and other unlawful activities took place in Ferguson in the days following August 9.

The unlawful riots, looting, and arson were the obvious crimes. It has yet to be decided whether or not Officer Wilson committed a crime when he shot and killed MB, so I must say I don't understand why this case is in the crimes category.

Because the thread is called Grief and Protests following shooting of teen Michael Brown

 

[LambChop]

The MODs make the decision as to where a thread belongs. For now it is staying right where it is. Because no one else wants it.

:what:

 

[sorrell skye]

The MODs make the decision as to where a thread belongs. For now it is staying right where it is. Because no one else wants it.

BBM

Regarding the bolded portion above: I don't blame 'em one bit.

 

[Klood-N]

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Benjamin Crump, Esq. ‏@attorneycrump 8m
The family of Michael Brown, Jr. wishes to express that they oppose and are not in any way affiliated with plans for non-peaceful protest.
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Nothing more than legal posturing. I believed them in the beginning when they implored no violence, but you cannot stand right next to a separatist who incite riots with your fist and say you want peace. It's almost like saying you're the peaceful guy in ISIS.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Greg Jonsson ‏@Jonssonville 21s
Supporters of #MichaelBrown's family renew call for arrest of #Ferguson officer : http://bit.ly/1wfc4fN

Bernard Ewings, Brown’s uncle, said his nephew’s case was straightforward.
“When you have your hands up to the police you’re surrendering. I don’t care what you do” Ewings said. “That’s the bottom line. This ain’t no mystery.”

:banghead::banghead::banghead: