MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #17

[katydid23]

Leaking it? They released it.

exactly. And how do you 'poison the well' if the released info is THE TRUTH?

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I would absolutely agree that there has to be an educational process for everyone up there.

There is...it's called school. Stay in! Even if you choose not to go to a university, you can still read....so read. Knowledge is powerful!

 

[Klood-N]

Thanks to all who explained the :ignore: to me yesterday.

 

[katydid23]

I truly hope that the Grand Jurors were watching that city council meeting. I think it will give them a greater understanding of the attitude of some of the local citizens towards the officers. It is easier to understand how OW would be afraid for his life, given the amount of hatred aimed towards 'the establishment' seen that night. jmo

 

[MyBelle]

The majority of the witnesses, that we have seen so far, did not see the initial encounter. They began watching after hearing the shots.

Ow does not have to match those witnesses, he has to match the forensics. And from what we know, his story does match the forensics. Otherwise he would be in jail already. jmo

Well said. The fact that OW has not been arrested--and the Governor refused to cave to the ridiculous demand that he replace the prosecutor--is a pretty firm testament as to Officer Wilson's credibility and supporting forensics.

JMO

 

[branwynbreeze]

The worker said Brown was “…kind of walking back toward the cop,” his “hands were still up” and the witness described Officer Wilson “backing up as he fired.”

RSBM

Backing up says OW was on defense. OW had a gun, there was no reason for him to retreat short of feeling endangered.

 

[Trident]

[h=1]FERGUSON POLICE PROTEST[/h]http://fergusonevents.org/wp/events/daily-protest-at-ferguson-police-station-2014-09-11/

Ho hum, another protest in Ferguson. Imagine that.

 

[tlcya]

Question about potential blood. Hypothetical because I have no idea but let's say there is a trail of blood drops 25 feet beyond where MB came to rest. In other words, it would tend to show that MB traveled 25 feet further and then turned around and came back those 25 feet before falling. Would the experts be able to determine from the pattern if he was walking, stumbling, running, etc.?

if droplets exist at the crime scene they could tell much about whether they were falling from a stationary or moving gunshot victim and further his direction of travel. JMO

http://www.forensicsciencesimplified.org/blood/principles.html

http://science.howstuffworks.com/bloodstain-pattern-analysis2.htm

http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/SimplifiedGuideBloodstainPatterns.pdf

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/serology/4.html

depending on whether blood pooled or dropped certain ways any pauses in the movement could likely be determined. Whether a run or stumble or as falling might be harder and subject to an alternate expert's opinion. JMO

 

[Klood-N]

The comments from the workers differ from those made by St. Louis County Police Chief Joe Belmar, who said Brown physically assaulted Wilson and reached for Wilson's gun. Some witnesses also have said Brown assaulted the officer.
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/loca...michael-brown-shooting-come-forward/15456519/

 

[K_Z]

sonjay, and any posters with firearms experience, I'd be interested in hearing opinions about the injury to MB's left hand that Attorney Parks described as a "big gash". Dr. Michael Baden carefully, IMO-- and specifically, IMO, avoided saying this wound is a gunshot wound. My opinion is that it is a strong possibility it is a "slide bite" injury. I posted about this a few days ago, but didn't see any other ideas or discussion about the "slide bite" theory. What do people think? Because it seems very highly significant if it IS a slide bite injury, or a GSW that occurred inside the patrol vehicle, as opposed to a glancing GSW at a further distance, when the other shots were fired.

Here's a link to my previous post Aug 24 (Thread 10, post 199) about "slide bite" as a theory of that palmar hand injury/ wound. It would have been bleeding briskly at whatever point it was received, meaning if received inside the patrol vehicle, MB's blood will likely be in the car, and on OW's uniform, too.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...teen-Michael-Brown-10&p=10891904#post10891904

 

[reedus23]

Leaking it? They released it.

Was FPD still in charge of the investigation?

I have no problem with saying that Crump and that side are trying to spin things in one direction. I'm not sure why it's such a big deal to admit that Jackson was doing the same thing on the other side. Yes, we can all have our own takes on it. For me, there is just as much spin coming out of both sides.

 

[Truthy]

I don't find any value in making baseless accusations against the police department. The PD didn't leak anything. The robbery video was released intentionally, not leaked. It is evidence of a crime. The PD didn't leak OW's injury, the Chief publicly mentioned it in a press briefing.

JMO

The accusations are not baseless- look above, there are a half dozen reports of "anonymous police sources" giving OW's side of he story to reporters- those are leaks. As is Josie's story. All anonymous, and treated by many as gospel instead of gossip. IMHO.
IMHO, we have no way of knowing the true details yet.

 

[Klood-N]

Cool. So AA can walk around with their weapons.

Wow. Actually, law abiding citizens of any color with a gun permit and conceal carry permit can, according to that link.

See link in post you quoted plus this one.
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5710000101.htm

 

[Clar]

sonjay, and any posters with firearms experience, I'd be interested in hearing opinions about the injury to MB's left hand that Attorney Parks described as a "big gash". Dr. Michael Baden carefully, IMO-- and specifically, IMO, avoided saying this wound is a gunshot wound. My opinion is that it is a strong possibility it is a "slide bite" injury. I posted about this a few days ago, but didn't see any other ideas or discussion about the "slide bite" theory. What do people think? Because it seems very highly significant if it IS a slide bite injury, or a GSW that occurred inside the patrol vehicle, as opposed to a glancing GSW at a further distance, when the other shots were fired.

Here's a link to my previous post Aug 24 (Thread 10, post 199) about "slide bite" as a theory of that palmar hand injury/ wound. It would have been bleeding briskly at whatever point it was received, meaning if received inside the patrol vehicle, MB's blood will likely be in the car, and on OW's uniform, too.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...teen-Michael-Brown-10&p=10891904#post10891904

I think its unlikely to be a slide bite, given the size of the gash in the diagram. On a thought I think that might result in also the casing possibly not properly ejecting which "could" have caused a jam later on. I always assumed it was a graze, but its possibly a result of his body hitting the asphalt, if he put out his hand as he went down (looking at the position of his body I think his palm dragged on the street, causing a gash much akin to road rash)

 

[Klood-N]

sonjay, and any posters with firearms experience, I'd be interested in hearing opinions about the injury to MB's left hand that Attorney Parks described as a "big gash". Dr. Michael Baden carefully, IMO-- and specifically, IMO, avoided saying this wound is a gunshot wound. My opinion is that it is a strong possibility it is a "slide bite" injury. I posted about this a few days ago, but didn't see any other ideas or discussion about the "slide bite" theory. What do people think? Because it seems very highly significant if it IS a slide bite injury, or a GSW that occurred inside the patrol vehicle, as opposed to a glancing GSW at a further distance, when the other shots were fired.

Here's a link to my previous post Aug 24 (Thread 10, post 199) about "slide bite" as a theory of that palmar hand injury/ wound. It would have been bleeding briskly at whatever point it was received, meaning if received inside the patrol vehicle, MB's blood will likely be in the car, and on OW's uniform, too.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...teen-Michael-Brown-10&p=10891904#post10891904

Whether a slide bite or gunshot, I believe it occurred in the car.

 

[DebinGA]

So they plan to set up camp with their folding chairs all day, every day, in a pking lot across from the police station? OK. Imagine what they could do with that same amount of time and energy, if it were focused on something productive?

I think these are professional, have protest-will travel peeps.

 

[Klood-N]

Was FPD still in charge of the investigation?

FPD was always in charge of the investigation of the robbery. Jackson explained that at the time. That investigation was exceptionally cleared and closed, as stated and per documents distributed at that press conference.

 

[katydid23]

Cool. So AA can walk around with their weapons.

IF they can get a concealed carry permit. My son got one and it took him over a year to attain it. It takes a clear background check, w/fingerprints taken, no criminal history, work history, at least 2 interviews with LE, a written testimonial about the necessity of the CWP, a written test, an educational class going over the laws,[ and I think maybe a shooting test, i am not sure about that part. ]

He carries a gun for his high security clearance job on a naval base, and it took him a year to qualify for his concealed weapons permit.

 

[popsicle]

Cool. So AA can walk around with their weapons.

Armed Americans?

 

[DebinGA]

I have trouble envisioning the scene in the car. I'm picturing the door partly open with OW sprawled back into the car, i.e. not fully upright, with MB leaning in the open door, pounding downward on OW's head. At some point the gun is fired. Is it out of the holster? If so, OW could have drawn it, but could MB? Is there a doohickey on the holster that prevents a perp from grabbing an officer's gun?