MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #18

[BirdycatNY]

Klood-N your empathy and compassion for MB and his struggle(s) are commendable. imo It is very sad that there may be people exploiting his death for some cause. But what if it is as simple as MB was an up and coming "hustla" and made that choice early on. There are too many opportunities for individuals to make choices and resources available in this country. And (hypothetically) I wonder if we will ever hear the narrative that MB and DJ were criminals and on the way to becoming "gangsters" if it turns out that this is the case. Minimizing the crimes even if committed by teenagers, helps destroy communities when young criminals are left to their own devices (ie gang activity includes drug trafficking, human trafficking, prostitution etc, these are crimes against innocents that destroy their lives and neighborhoods where such activity continues). The coddling has to stop at some point because to me it's part of the reason these types of behaviors/crimes continue. So while I do understand MB's upbringing, imo all humans suffer but we make choices to do "good" and minimize suffering of others. Rich, poor, etc we all struggle whether it's abusive relationships, mental disorders, etc. no one has a perfect life, but not everyone goes around strong-arming shopkeepers and assaulting cops b/c they are feeling emotional pain. You are putting MB in the best possible light and that is very respectful to MB.

 

[popsicle]

"We know his body was left uncovered on the ground in the baking sun for hours"

:notgood:

Someone way up-thread explained the definition of ignorant.

 

[Lovejac]

http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/relationships-and-special-occasions/parenting/aisha-sultan/how-michael-brown-s-mother-showed-strength-long-before-her/article_f8ae96c1-7da3-5f51-9ab6-0da4f653dde3.html

"A woman who knew Lesley [MB's mom] as a child shared a glimpse. Adrienne Hirschfeld was a room mother at Reed Elementary in the Ladue School District, one of the most affluent in the metro area, where her son went to school and Lesley attended as a transfer student, Hirschfeld said. In the fifth-grade memory book, Lesley shared a collection of memories, which reads like a grade-by-grade appreciation of each of her teachers."

The article has these sweet grade by grade notes from little Lesley to her teachers, maybe all white.

Aww, how sweet.

BTW, very interesting comment from Bob Burns about a race riot at Normandy. I would love to know when that was.

 

[DebinGA]

the GJ is . . . MB is not the only case that's being viewed by the GJ of StL County

The one time I was on a gj I was amazed at the overwhelming number of plea deals, mostly drug busts and burglaries. In my rural county almost 80% of the cases we heard had already been plead out. We just heard the barest bones of each case and true-billed 50 or so a day. Maybe in MO the gj doesn't have to sign off on pleas deals, because I can't imagine just one could true bill them all just meeting once a week + other cases too.

 

[reedus23]

VIDEO Debunks #MichaelBrown Coached Witnesses
At gotnews

I'm assuming this will get picked up by MSM if there's anything to it. Is it something I have to listen to to hear Shahid or someone coaching them? If so, I'll have to listen at home.

 

[bettybaby00]

Klood-N your empathy and compassion for MB and his struggle(s) are commendable. imo It is very sad that there may be people exploiting his death for some cause. But what if it is as simple as MB was an up and coming "hustla" and made that choice early on. There are too many opportunities for individuals to make choices and resources available in this country. And (hypothetically) I wonder if we will ever hear the narrative that MB and DJ were criminals and on the way to becoming "gangsters" if it turns out that this is the case. Minimizing the crimes even if committed by teenagers, helps destroy communities when young criminals are given to their own devices (ie gang activity includes drug trafficking, human trafficking, prostitution etc, these are crimes against innocents that destroy their lives and neighbors where such activity continues). The coddling has to stop at some point because to me it's part of the reason these types of behaviors/crimes continue. So while I do understand MB's upbringing, imo all humans suffer but we make choices to do "good" and minimize suffering of others. Rich, poor, etc we all struggle whether it's abusive relationships, mental disorders, etc. no one has a perfect life, but not everyone goes around strong-arming shopkeepers and assaulting cops b/c they are feeling emotional pain. You are putting MB in the best possible light and that is very respectful to MB.

BBM
Example: Officer Darren Wilson.

 

[bettybaby00]

Whoa!!!!!

Damn!




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You took the words right out of my mouth :giggle:

It's going to be pretty ironic if this gets picked up by the media, and that ultimately what sinks this narrative is all the cell phone video picking up background conversations

 

[reedus23]

I'm finding the wording in the last paragraph interesting , and I'm trying to determine if it's more double speak. IDK, maybe I'm just beginning to read all of their statements that way. What's interesting is he's blaming a "blogger of spreading unfounded rumors," when according to the journalist (can't remember his name!) he got the info from police sources. That could be BS on his part in an effort to make his story more compelling, IDK.

THe comment about trying to find out this info in order to "prove he deserved it," is another example of their inflammatory BS IMO

If he wants to take them out of the area of rumors, he needs to say who his sources were and let them take ownership and explain. My take is that Crumps letter was directed to the wrong "plaintiff". I think the journalist wannabe had those type of motivations though that's just my opinion and could be wrong. I don't think that was the PD's motivation. As the PD's response says, once the blogger made an issue of it and it spread like wildfire through social media, the PD was really kind of compelled to determine if there was anything to it.

As for Crump, of course he sent the letter to the PD. It would get more play that way. And I don't say that as a compliment to Crump.

 

[Lovejac]

I'm going to twitter to laugh at some tweets. I'll let you know if I find anything of significance

 

[katydid23]

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All the things that Crump said ' we KNOW about MB---OW did not know those things at the time.

'we know he was 18'---OW did not know that

' we know he was unarmed..' --OW did not know that, but he did know that he was dangerous because he had just been assaulted by him.

' we know his body laid baking in the sun for 4 hours...' --- WHY was that, Mr Crump? Was that OW's fault? Or the FPDs fault?

' we know he was facing no criminal charges..." --OW did not know that. In fact, he probably thought he was a suspect in the prior robbery. '

' this has been confirmed by court and police' ...---not really. I think the opposite, actually.

' MB had no arrest record.' ---I am not sure this is correct. But we will see, I guess.

But the important thing about this letter is that the long list of things that Crump points out that we KNOW, are things thats the officer did not know at the time of the confrontation. He didnt know he was an 18 yr old unarmed 'innocent' kid. He only knew what he was experiencing in their brief and violent interaction.

 

[sonjay]

Many of us have noticed that the media and those aligned with the family have created a false narrative <snip epic analysis>

Wow, epic analysis, Klood, of MB's childhood situation and the creation of the narrative even before any facts were known about what happened.

You've really pulled together a lot of disparate facts and events to present a much more complete picture of what went into creating that incident that day, as well as what went into the creation of the false narrative so quickly. Wow. All the way down to cleaning up the visual presence of the various people.

It just .... it just.... it makes it all so much worse, that those instigators and professional activities so deliberately take advantage of the parents' grief and the community's shock to whip everyone up into a frenzy. They are so deliberately trying to make that entire town explode. They don't give a rodent's patootie who they hurt, or how much harm they cause. And their goal is most obviously not justice for Mike or the betterment of the community.

What I'm thinking right now would be highly against the code of conduct for WS to express here.

MB did deserve a better life than the one he was born into. But he chose to assault OW that day, and that was his choice. Not his mother's or his father's or his drug-using buddies' or anyone else's. His. We keep going to back to personal responsibility, don't we?

 

[Lovejac]

All the things that Crump said ' we KNOW about MB---OW did not know those things at the time.

'we know he was 18'---OW did not know that

' we know he was unarmed..' --OW did not know that, but he did know that he was dangerous because he had just been assaulted by him.

' we know his body laid baking in the sun for 4 hours...' --- WHY was that, Mr Crump? Was that OW's fault? Or the FPDs fault?

' we know he was facing no criminal charges..." --OW did not know that. In fact, he probably thought he was a suspect in the prior robbery. '

' this has been confirmed by court and police' ...---not really. I think the opposite, actually.

' MB had no arrest record.' ---I am not sure this is correct. But we will see, I guess.

But the important thing about this letter is that the long list of things that Crump points out that we KNOW, are things thats the officer did not know at the time of the confrontation. He didnt know he was an 18 yr old unarmed 'innocent' kid. He only knew what he was experiencing in their brief and violent interaction.

:clap:

I nominate Katy to write an open letter to Crump :biggrin:

 

[sonjay]

I can't read the letter...

Retweeted by Jeremy Kohler
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Benjamin Crump, Esq. &#8207;@attorneycrump 5h
An open letter to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch regarding the juvenile records of Michael Brown, Jr. pic.twitter.com/AcxodOkz9G
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He really really doesn't want MB's juvie record released. The more push-back on his part, the more sure I am that there are things in there that are seriously damaging to MB, and to the false narrative that's been created.

 

[CuriousGuy]

I can't read the letter...

Retweeted by Jeremy Kohler
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Benjamin Crump, Esq. &#8207;@attorneycrump 5h
An open letter to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch regarding the juvenile records of Michael Brown, Jr. pic.twitter.com/AcxodOkz9G
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Translation: If you do not cease disrupting my narrative I will sic Eric Holder on you

 

[sonjay]

the GJ is . . . MB is not the only case that's being viewed by the GJ of StL County

I believe it is now, now that their regular term has ended and they've gone into special session. I think the link I posted earlier states that.

 

[TheDuchess]

I've listened to the gotnews video 10 times and really am not connecting the dots on what I am supposed to be hearing...I've seen these videos plenty of times already, and to me it just sounds like people standing around talking about what they saw...I didn't hear any "crafting" going on, other than perhaps inadvertent, which is what I always thought had happened. I figured people saw what they saw, discussed it and filled in the blanks for one another. Not that they necessarily "conspired" or anything...but even the discussions going on do add a taint to the testimonies...anyone hear anything else I should be looking for???

 

[LambChop]

Let's stop the discussion about schools. We are getting off topic here. I doubt if the school had anything to do with MB being shot.

 

[bettybaby00]

I've listened to the gotnews video 10 times and really am not connecting the dots on what I am supposed to be hearing...I've seen these videos plenty of times already, and to me it just sounds like people standing around talking about what they saw...I didn't hear any "crafting" going on, other than perhaps inadvertent, which is what I always thought had happened. I figured people saw what they saw, discussed it and filled in the blanks for one another. Not that they necessarily "conspired" or anything...but even the discussions going on do add a taint to the testimonies...anyone hear anything else I should be looking for???

It's,definitely hard to hear. I've only listened once so far (with my ipad right next to my ear, on full blast!) and about half way through a male voice can be heard saying, "we have to stick together on this"

Did anyone else hear that? Or anything else?

 

[katydid23]

Money must be managed correctly. Normandy's staff is PAID and must perform and be held accountable. If they fail at their job, remove them. Michael Brown did have a right to receive the same quality education that students receive in the more affluent districts of Saint Louis. A quality education is the key to success as an adult. Many kids overcome their dysfunctional home life thanks to the support from a school and its staff.

JMO

Did you watch any of the night time protest live streams? 90% of the marchers wanted to peacefully chant and march to make their point. The rest insisted upon throwing molotovs and urine filled bottles, and created havoc and chaos. That is what some of the inner city schools are like. Most of the kids want to learn. But a few in each class make it difficult.

You cannot blame the staff. You cannot blame the teachers. They work very hard and try to teach the students who want to learn. But if you have students that are disruptive, in every single class, it is very hard. And there are not people lining up to take these jobs. They are difficult and sometimes thankless jobs.

The families need to take hold and set their kids straight. The families have the majority of time and influence on the children. The teachers want to impart knowledge. They want to teach the kids to read and write, understand math and the principles of learning. That is what they want to do. But it is a minefield.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It's,definitely hard to hear. I've only listened once so far (with my ipad right next to my ear, on full blast!) and about half way through a male voice can be heard saying, "we have to stick together on this"

Did anyone else hear that? Or anything else?

"If his hands were up, it's murder"


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