MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #18

[Klood-N]

http://www.stltoday.com/business/lo...cle_b28e2e61-b9f6-5593-b439-23702053c818.html

In a separate move, some protesters plan to stage a boycott of Ferguson businesses starting Saturday. Many of the protests have largely been on West Florissant, further east. But Charles Mayo said he and others planned to picket outside of businesses on South Florissant every Saturday until business owners helped pressure Ferguson Mayor James Knowles and Police Chief Thomas Jackson to step down.

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So the protesters are going to try to bully the business owners into bullying Mayor Knowles and Chief Jackson to resign.

:gaah:

I see watcha did there! >>"that all peace protesters are welcomed"

 

[Klood-N]

Just wanted to say, I do happen to know some pretty terrific ex-cons.
Some people do learn from their mistakes and turn their life around.


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And that's why Michael's true story needs to be told to serve as a warning post along the wrong path.

(And some of the leader ex-cons are still committing crimes and/or encouraging others to do so.)

 

[Trident]

Yes, why would a legal assistant at a union law firm go to a Michael Brown riot then complain of being shot, retain a lawyer, and accuse police of not investigating, when a police report was taken and an investigation is ongoing?

“We cannot live in communities where men are targeted and can be killed by the police,” said Chelsea-Lyn Rudder, spokesperson for SEIU 1199, a 400,000-member local of the larger Service Employees International Union. SEIU 1199 is a lead sponsor for this weekend’s March For Justice For Victims Of Police Brutality, an effort led by Sharpton aimed at drawing attention to Brown’s death as well as other high-profile police-related deaths like Sean Bell and Eric Garner.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/organized-labor-ferguson#391a38e

http://www.seiu.org/2014/08/statement-by-seiu-president-mary-kay-henry-on-ferg.php

A law suit perhaps?

:cow:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

IMO the police will always be viewed by criminals as the enemy. Race is irrelevant.


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I think you have hit the nail on the head, Linda.

As I have watched all of this go down it really does seem the ones who hate the police are the ones who have done criminal acts and have been arrested/charged and convicted.

I know I have a different view of LE in general because in my entire 67 years I have never had to deal with the police because I have never broken the law.

Of course since I read here continuously I do know there are bad cops but I really do think they are in a minority. No profession is immune to bad apples.

But as of now, I don't think OW is one of the bad guys.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

And that's why Michael's true story needs to be told to serve as a warning post along the wrong path.

(And some of the leader ex-cons are still committing crimes and/or encouraging others to do so.)

Well Klood....I had been thinking along those same lines as well as a few other ideas to effect a change. Sadly, I doubt if those folks would listen to say, a black man from the ghetto who worked hard & gained his PhD w/the accoutrements that go along with it & all the success. Because they would probably view him as a sell-out if he were to lecture or give a seminar-type session. And I don't know if it would work from another angle like this---get ex-gangsta' hoodlums who have changed/re-habbed into a productive life.

Why I worry that these initiatives won't work is because I'm not sure if the community wants excuses or if they want the truth. The truth is focused, consistent hard work to attain success.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Holding the city hostage until demands are met, burning buildings down and threatening to burn others, attacking people with projectiles. Seems terroristic to me.

It not only seems to be terroristic....IT IS.

This is nothing more than homegrown terrorists at their worst.

How they are getting away with making these hostage type demands and terroristic threats boggles my mind.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes, why would a legal assistant at a union law firm go to a Michael Brown riot then complain of being shot, retain a lawyer, and accuse police of not investigating, when a police report was taken and an investigation is ongoing?

“We cannot live in communities where men are targeted and can be killed by the police,” said Chelsea-Lyn Rudder, spokesperson for SEIU 1199, a 400,000-member local of the larger Service Employees International Union. SEIU 1199 is a lead sponsor for this weekend’s March For Justice For Victims Of Police Brutality, an effort led by Sharpton aimed at drawing attention to Brown’s death as well as other high-profile police-related deaths like Sean Bell and Eric Garner.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/organized-labor-ferguson#391a38e

http://www.seiu.org/2014/08/statement-by-seiu-president-mary-kay-henry-on-ferg.php

It seems to me she should be much more worried about some out there shooting others for the heck of it. The police didn't shoot her...someone in the community or someone at the 'peaceful protest' did.

IMO

 

[Klood-N]

Yes I know...it is msnbc. :shame:

Ronan Farrow @RonanFarrow

"Keep this movement going. Keep my son in your hearts." Michael Brown Sr tells me the prosecutor never contacted him
......
Monday at 1pm ET: Part 2 of my conversation with a powerful Michael Brown Sr. - including his response to how police treated his son's body.

http://www.msnbc.com/ronan-farrow/watch/michael-browns-father-a-quest-for-justice-328706115695




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Anyone think he's going to talk about the mob that prevented Michael from being moved?

 

[bettybaby00]

Why even show up at court if he doesn't even have any records?

Ding, ding, ding, ding!

 

[K_Z]

I'm thinking about the letter dated yesterday from Atty Crump to the St. Louis Post Dispatch.

Why exactly is Atty Crump poking the Post Dispatch with such a long, sharp stick?? What is there possibly to gain for Atty Crump et al from that? The judge just denied the petition to open the juvenile records. Why not let that alone, or if anything was to be said, just make a curt statement that the Judge "rightfully denied the petition, and we agree with her decision", or something along those lines.

From where I'm sitting, Crump et al "won" that battle (at least for now), and so I don't really get why they would bring the situation up AGAIN (and so soon!) in such a provocative manner? Are they daring the Post Dispatch to appeal the decision? Because keeping the juvenile records in the front of everyone's attention is probably going to backfire somewhere. It's almost a given that something more about the records is going to be leaked. IMO. This letter, to me, reads like an "I dare you".

Is this just a pre-emptive blustering (but thinly veiled) threat, against the Post Dispatch? As in, if the records are leaked and your agency either leaks them or publishes anything about them, expect to be sued? That's the only strategy I can see here. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[Klood-N]

You can bet your sweet bippy that the Brown family knows exactly what's in those records that their baby accumulated. I'm guessing that they would tell their lawyer everything in case something comes up. So maybe lawfully the family lawyer can't review the records but he knows.

Yes and the juvenile officer's lawyer could have been authorized by the family to release the file to their attorneys.

 

[K_Z]

Anyone think he's going to talk about the mob that prevented Michael from being moved?

No. Nope. And pretty soon I expect to hear how awful and wrong and oppressive it was that the police prevented MB's grieving, hysterical mother from going to her baby's body, as it lay there in the street. As in "she was prevented by the police from holding her baby in her arms one more time. The police separated a mother and her child." JMO.

Remember, Crump advises his clients to "talk about their baby." He knows the emotional impact of the word "baby" when uttered by a grieving parent. Pair "baby" and "police" together for provoking maximum outrage. IMO.

 

[Lovejac]

From http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/us/mistrust-lingers-as-ferguson-takes-new-tack-on-fines.html?_r=0

In Ferguson, Mo., a neighbor of Michael Brown’s family tries to clear various warrants for his arrest so he can participate in civil disobedience. Video Credit By Brent McDonald on Publish Date September 12, 2014.

“They act like we don’t know our rights or we can’t find out what they are,” said Sophia Jones, who cleared a warrant on Thursday.

She cut the conversation short and scurried out of the lobby. “I am nervous being in this vicinity, because I’ve been in that jail so many times.”

So no problem breaking the law, can't be bothered obeying driving regulations, but can find their way to court clerk ASAP when it benefits them?

Exactly! If it benefits them, it motivates them :wink:

 

[Lovejac]

I'm really curious now....

If the local Brown family attorney was in court and Mike Brown had truly never had any sort of juvenile record, why did he not request to unseal the records??

"Anthony Gray, the lawyer who represented Brown’s parents, reportedly remained silent during the court hearing on Wednesday, but told the Post-Dispatch outside the courtroom that that the request for the juvenile records only meant that the organization wanted “the character assassination of Mike Brown.”




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The way the Brown camp of attorneys have handled this request has me convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there is some serious stuff in his juvie file.

 

[popsicle]

[h=1]Why was Michael Brown's body left there for hours?[/h]
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...tml?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

[krimekat]

I'm thinking about the letter dated yesterday from Atty Crump to the St. Louis Post Dispatch.

Why exactly is Atty Crump poking the Post Dispatch with such a long, sharp stick?? What is there possibly to gain for Atty Crump et al from that? The judge just denied the petition to open the juvenile records. Why not let that alone, or if anything was to be said, just make a curt statement that the Judge "rightfully denied the petition, and we agree with her decision", or something along those lines.

From where I'm sitting, Crump et al "won" that battle (at least for now), and so I don't really get why they would bring the situation up AGAIN (and so soon!) in such a provocative manner? Are they daring the Post Dispatch to appeal the decision? Because keeping the juvenile records in the front of everyone's attention is probably going to backfire somewhere. It's almost a given that something more about the records is going to be leaked. IMO. This letter, to me, reads like an "I dare you".

Is this just a pre-emptive blustering (but thinly veiled) threat, against the Post Dispatch? As in, if the records are leaked and your agency either leaks them or publishes anything about them, expect to be sued? That's the only strategy I can see here. Maybe I'm missing something.

I believe if a civil suit is filed, MBs record will be released . . . as in the case that was used as a precedent

 

[LambChop]

[h=1]Why was Michael Brown's body left there for hours?[/h]
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...tml?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Most of these articles are blocked, other than the first paragraph. Is it possible to paraphrase what is written in the article for those that do not subscribe to this paper?

 

[Trident]

Most of these articles are blocked, other than the first paragraph. Is it possible to paraphrase what is written in the article for those that do not subscribe to this paper?

Mine was blocked until I took a one question survey (I said "never"), then it came up.

 

[popsicle]

Mine was blocked until I took a one question survey (I said "never"), then it came up.

Yes, that is how mine usually are too.

 

[bettybaby00]

Most of these articles are blocked, other than the first paragraph. Is it possible to paraphrase what is written in the article for those that do not subscribe to this paper?

I'm surprised so many of you are having trouble???? I've never had any, and as a resident of NY I'm obviously not a subscriber!

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Why was Michael Brown's body left there for hours?



To determine why the body remained on the street for hours, the Post-Dispatch analyzed public records, police testimony, medical examiner procedures and data from previous crime scenes, and interviewed medical examiner staff, police officials, Canfield Green residents and others. The newspaper has put together the most comprehensive public account chronicling the police response in the hours after Brown’s death.


Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson shot Brown in the moments after 12:02 p.m. Aug. 9.

About 12:05 p.m., that same ambulance, infant in the back, came across Brown’s body in the road, said two ambulance administrators.

About the same time, miles away, Chief Jackson was driving to visit his kids, who live about 50 minutes from Ferguson, Jackson said. The call from his sergeant came about 12:05 p.m., he said.

St. Louis County detectives on duty that day weren’t close to Ferguson then. They were at St. Anthony’s Medical Center, near Sunset Hills, 30 miles south.

By 12:50 p.m., logs show, detectives were on their way. The first to arrive checked in at 1:30 p.m. Logs show the rest checked in about an hour later.

All the while, chaos was building at Canfield.

At 2:11 p.m., Ferguson police logs captured reports of shots fired. At 2:14 p.m., ambulance dispatch noted additional gunshots, then a Code 1000, calling all available jurisdictions to help. Over the next 20 minutes, the first precinct dispatched more than 20 units from at least eight different municipal forces, from Bel-Ridge to St. John to Velda City.

About 2:30 p.m., Calvin Whitaker, the livery service driver, arrived to pick up Brown’s body. One end of Canfield was blocked off by police and emergency vehicles. At the other end, a crowd stood in his way. “They were screaming, ‘Let’s kill the police,’” he said. People flung water bottles at his black SUV, he said, cussed at his wife and called them murderers.

A police officer told them to stay in the car. “You guys do not have vests,” he told them. “The best thing for you to do is get down.” Whitaker and his wife reclined their seats and hunkered down.

The scene was so tense, commanders in charge stopped the investigation at points and directed investigators to seek cover. Detectives also were pulled away to help manage the crowd.

Finally, about 4 p.m., police officers gave the medical examiner investigator, then Whitaker and his wife, the go-ahead to take Brown’s body to the morgue.

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