MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #19

[Frydaddy]

As per statute, the incident report is different than investigative reports.

Mo.Rev.Stat.§ 610.100.2.
The Arrest Record Law, Mo.Rev.Stat. § 610.100 et seq., was amended in 1995 to distinguish between arrest, incident and investigation reports of law enforcement agencies.

2. Each law enforcement agency of this state, of any county, and of any municipality shall maintain records of all incidents reported to the agency, investigations and arrests made by such law enforcement agency. All incident reports and arrest reports shall be open records. Notwithstanding any other provision of law other than the provisions of subsections 4, 5 and 6 of this section or section 320.083, investigative reports of all law enforcement agencies are closed records until the investigation becomes inactive. If any person is arrested and not charged with an offense against the law within thirty days of the person's arrest, the arrest report shall thereafter be a closed record except that the disposition portion of the record may be accessed and except as provided in section 610.120.

Arrest, incident and investigative reports are all police reports, no?

 

[Muffet]

That discriminatory practice was banned in the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Guess someone else needs to take some of their own history lessons before they're qualified to assess other's aptitude. JMO!!

If you read what all I wrote, you would see that your accusation isn't true.

I clearly said I would not stop anyone from voting.

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[SnoopyDawgDawg]

Someone on the last thread was asking about a possible "Mike Brown law" after seeing a t-shirt (I think?) I found this.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/response-your-petition-use-body-worn-cameras

Mike Brown Law. Requires all state, county, and local police to wear a camera.

Back to that works both ways concept. Bet most cops would love to wear a camera. Bet there are plenty of folks who would think twice about giving LEOs grief if they knew they are being filmed. Bet OW wished he'd been armed with a camera.

Sounds like a plan to me. Now...who's going to pay for it? What services shall we cut to pay for this equipment? I can think of a few, but I don't think the people of Ferguson will like those cuts much. MOO MOO MOO all the way home.

 

[Truthy]

Arrest, incident and investigative reports are all police reports, no?

"Mo.Rev.Stat.§ 610.100.2.
The Arrest Record Law, Mo.Rev.Stat. § 610.100 et seq., was amended in 1995 to distinguish between arrest, incident and investigation reports of law enforcement agencies."


Are you implying they are all the same thing? Not seeing how you'd get that idea.

 

[cady]

JMO I think that in most cases, the incident report is released for public consumption although often, heavily blacked out to protect citizens names and addresses etc. In this case, it appears that an incident report was NEVER generated by Wilson. The FPD immediately turned the case over to STLPD for investigation, but since there was no incident report, one wonders what the STLPD was supposed to investigate!.........well, obviously, the FPD filled them in on"details". Who supplied the details is anyone's guess. Those details are part of the investigation that the public can't see, and the public has no way of comparing the non-existent incident report with the "details" that must have been supplied to the STLPD. Welcome to wonderland. JMO

 

[sonjay]

Is this the one you are talking about?
***WARNING GRAPHIC***
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM4kyiHSY2w

The perp appears to be surrendering, but. . . .

Or possibly this one, which wasn't a shooting but did appear to be a possible case of excessive force -- if you watched just the dash-cam vid. When the body-cam vid is added to the mix, it becomes clear who initiated the force.
http://www.businessinsider.com/body-cameras-police-officer-2014-8

In other news, in Illinois they're pushing for higher traffic fines to pay for dash cams & body cams for cops. I wonder how that would fly in Ferguson? :facepalm:

 

[Lovejac]

That discriminatory practice was banned in the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Guess someone else needs to take some of their own history lessons before they're qualified to assess other's aptitude. JMO!!

I guess you just completely missed that part where Muffet stated "I wouldn't stop them from voting without reading first"

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

Survey exposes sharp racial divide in public perception of Ferguson crisis


- 65 percent of African-American county residents believe that Ferguson Police officer Darren Wilson acted unjustly when he ended Brown's life Aug. 9 on a Ferguson street.

- 62 percent of the white residents surveyed by Remington believe the shooting death of Brown was justified.

Wilson should be "arrested and charged with a crime"

- 71 percent of African American residents responding "yes"

-71 percent of white survey-takers who believe the police officer should not be held liable.

"targeted because of his race.

-white respondents - 77 percent - responded "no"

- 64 percent of the African-Americans answered in the affirmative.

more @ http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...tml?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

"Targeted because of his race." Who? OW? I'd like to see that question on the survey: "Do you believe OW has been targeted because he is Caucasian?"

 

[CuriousGuy]

Since there has been so much proof that the Huffington Post was wrong when they falsely, loudly accused the chief of lying, has the Huffington post issued an apology or even a retraction?

Have they the decency to do so with even half as much fanfare as they used to trash him?

I'd love to be pleasantly surprised.

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[Lovejac]

Or possibly this one, which wasn't a shooting but did appear to be a possible case of excessive force -- if you watched just the dash-cam vid. When the body-cam vid is added to the mix, it becomes clear who initiated the force.
http://www.businessinsider.com/body-cameras-police-officer-2014-8

In other news, in Illinois they're pushing for higher traffic fines to pay for dash cams & body cams for cops. I wonder how that would fly in Ferguson? :facepalm:

Like a lead balloon :wink:

 

[Frydaddy]

"Mo.Rev.Stat.§ 610.100.2.
The Arrest Record Law, Mo.Rev.Stat. § 610.100 et seq., was amended in 1995 to distinguish between arrest, incident and investigation reports of law enforcement agencies."


Are you implying they are all the same thing? Not seeing how you'd get that idea.

As I stated previously, I think "police reports" covers every piece of paper in an investigation, which would seem to include arrest, incident and investigative reports - much in the same vain as toxicology and autopsy reports. And as I stated earlier, the lack of release may not necessarily be in favor of DW.

 

[Lovejac]

Arrest, incident and investigative reports are all police reports, no?

Why yes! Yes, they are all types of police reports.

 

[reedus23]

Survey exposes sharp racial divide in public perception of Ferguson crisis


- 65 percent of African-American county residents believe that Ferguson Police officer Darren Wilson acted unjustly when he ended Brown's life Aug. 9 on a Ferguson street.

- 62 percent of the white residents surveyed by Remington believe the shooting death of Brown was justified.

Wilson should be "arrested and charged with a crime"

- 71 percent of African American residents responding "yes"

-71 percent of white survey-takers who believe the police officer should not be held liable.

"targeted because of his race.

-white respondents - 77 percent - responded "no"

- 64 percent of the African-Americans answered in the affirmative.

more @ http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...tml?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Not surprised at all.

 

[Muffet]

Is this the one you are talking about?
***WARNING GRAPHIC***
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM4kyiHSY2w

The perp appears to be surrendering, but. . . .

ETA. . .if you watch, be sure to read the statement below it. It's only 9 seconds total which is pretty close to what we have in this case. It's really quick! Did you catch it the first time? LEO's have to make split second decisions and witnesses may not see what they think they do. It's just a good illustration of that.

Thanks! I don't think it's the same one, though. The one I'm looking for was a contrast between what the dash-cam recorded vs what the officer's collar cam recorded.

My understanding was that without the collar cam the officer would have only had his own word as proof.

I'll see if I can find it again next time I'm on a computer.

 

[LambChop]

As per statute, the incident report is different than investigative reports.

Mo.Rev.Stat.§ 610.100.2.
The Arrest Record Law, Mo.Rev.Stat. § 610.100 et seq., was amended in 1995 to distinguish between arrest, incident and investigation reports of law enforcement agencies.

2. Each law enforcement agency of this state, of any county, and of any municipality shall maintain records of all incidents reported to the agency, investigations and arrests made by such law enforcement agency. All incident reports and arrest reports shall be open records. Notwithstanding any other provision of law other than the provisions of subsections 4, 5 and 6 of this section or section 320.083, investigative reports of all law enforcement agencies are closed records until the investigation becomes inactive. If any person is arrested and not charged with an offense against the law within thirty days of the person's arrest, the arrest report shall thereafter be a closed record except that the disposition portion of the record may be accessed and except as provided in section 610.120.

There is a good chance there is no incident report from Wilson yet. He would have made a statement but I doubt the union let him fill out the incident report prior to the GJ ruling. What we have seen is all there is, IMO.

 

[Muffet]

Or possibly this one, which wasn't a shooting but did appear to be a possible case of excessive force -- if you watched just the dash-cam vid. When the body-cam vid is added to the mix, it becomes clear who initiated the force.
http://www.businessinsider.com/body-cameras-police-officer-2014-8

In other news, in Illinois they're pushing for higher traffic fines to pay for dash cams & body cams for cops. I wonder how that would fly in Ferguson? :facepalm:

Thank you! I think that was indeed the one.



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[branwynbreeze]

I don't know, but could OW use 5th amendment?

The statute itself makes a distinction between the incident report- and all other records. You are quoting the part about OTHER records.


"2. Each law enforcement agency of this state, of any county, and of any municipality shall maintain records of all incidents reported to the agency, investigations and arrests made by such law enforcement agency. All incident reports and arrest reports shall be open records. Notwithstanding any other provision of law other than the provisions of subsections 4, 5 and 6 of this section or section 320.083, investigative reports of all law enforcement agencies are closed records until the investigation becomes inactive. If any person is arrested and not charged with an offense against the law within thirty days of the person's arrest, the arrest report shall thereafter be a closed record except that the disposition portion of the record may be accessed and except as provided in section 610.120."

So did they go to court to ask for an exception- or just decide to not follow the applicable laws?

 

[katydid23]

"other situations more detail may be appropriate." Seems like it would be one of those situations.
When did the FPD get their court order?

Nuff said, IMHO.

There does not need to be a court order if the release of the info might endanger a person. It only mentions that if it is jeopardizing an investigation and it uses term ' MIGHT NEED' a court order.

So I agree, Nuff said.

 

[Muffet]

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Hahaha! No doubt.

Guess the sound of crickets shouldn't surprise us.

Just another pipe-dream that people would study the facts fairly instead of jumping the gun to smear the "opposition," or at least fairly listen and apologize for their false accusations.

 

[reedus23]

Craig Cheatham ‏@CheathamKMOV 2m
St. Louis County police haven't completed investigation of deadly police shooting of #MikeBrown. Brown was killed in #Ferguson on Aug 9.

Questioning if McCulloch didn't take this prematurely to a GJ. I think the promptness surprised most. Not sure how you can put a coherent presentation together when you still don't know what you're presenting.