MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #19

[Muffet]

Yes, you are right. I was putting myself in the shoes of a juror. Ultimately, they would be the ones determining if OW's beliefs were reasonable. I would say we don't know yet what OW thought of MB, but then again, I guess we already do.

Tell me the articulable threat at the time of the final shots? Was he waving a gun in the air? Was he wielding a machete? Did he have someone by the throat? Like I said, give me more than a theoretical threat. How was he posing an actual threat at the time of the fatal shots?

BBM

Even if you only heed the witnesses who are being used to discredit Wilson's defense, MB was moving toward OW at that time.

Add in the two workers, who are being called "game-changers" by the MB side, and you have MB advancing on OW as OW was backing up.

It would be beyond foolhardy to interpret someone's advancing upon you, while you're trying to keep space between you as benign.

Add in the multitude of circumstances, and I cannot fathom how anyone could consider OW's perceiving MB as a threat to be unreasonable.






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[Linda7NJ]

BBM

Even if you only heed the witnesses who are being used to discredit Wilson's defense, MB was moving toward OW at that time.

Add in the two workers, who are being called "game-changers" by the MB side, and you have MB advancing on OW as OW was backing up.

It would be beyond foolhardy to interpret someone's advancing upon you, while you're trying to keep space between you as benign.

Add in the multitude of circumstances, and I cannot fathom how anyone could consider OW's perceiving MB as a threat to be




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[popsicle]

KMOX St. Louis News ‏@kmoxnews 4m
COPS training police agencies to improve community relationships: http://cbsloc.al/1uPlSMr #Ferguson #MichaelBrown

 

[popsicle]

David Carson ‏@PDPJ 1m
Grand jury now has until January to decide whether to charge Ferguson officer: http://bit.ly/1wxGKvy via @STLtoday

 

[Lovejac]

David Carson ‏@PDPJ 1m
Grand jury now has until January to decide whether to charge Ferguson officer: http://bit.ly/1wxGKvy via @STLtoday

Oh dear God..............January? :thud:

 

[TheDuchess]

David Carson ‏@PDPJ 1m
Grand jury now has until January to decide whether to charge Ferguson officer: http://bit.ly/1wxGKvy via @STLtoday

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[popsicle]

Oh dear God..............January? :thud:

tweet that to the fav hash tags :lol:

 

[LambChop]

David Carson ‏@PDPJ 1m
Grand jury now has until January to decide whether to charge Ferguson officer: http://bit.ly/1wxGKvy via @STLtoday

So is that an indication that it looks as if they will not be charging him????

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

He didn't need to be doing any of those things. His weapon used against OW was size and the element of surprise.

At the time of the final shots, he was moving towards the officer and noncompliant with orders to freeze.

There were two cops shot in PA last night, without any warning. Someone just drove by them and opened fire. Cops are aware of that kind of random assault 24/7. And OW had just experienced that. One second he is exiting his vehicle, and seconds later he is in a life and death struggle. So in his reasonable judgement, MB was trying to kill an officer, with no provocation.

Thus, MB was a very dangerous threat to ALL LEOS, as he had just tried to kill one, moments earlier. He was an actual threat to OW, and would be one to any passing officer. And OW knew had had others enroute. He couldnt let MB go and come upon one of them, who might have been unaware
of the potential lethal threat.

Also, OW did not know WHY MB was so desperate. So how would he know that MB would not carjack someone or take a hostage, in an effort to escape. If he was willing to fight over a cops holstered weapon, he was willing to do anything stupid.

Knpowing what we know now, we don't see MB as a threat to the locals. But OW did not have any of the info we have now.

All this combined with what we don't know **YET** about MB's juvie record!

 

[i.b.nora]

"The extension of the grand jurors’ term of duty does not necessarily mean the job will take that long, officials said. But it could."

"A St. Louis County grand jury usually sits for four months, a period that for the current panel expired last week. State law provides for a term of up to six months, which moves the date to November. On Sept. 10, Circuit Judge Carolyn Whittington issued an order adding 60 days more.

“She extended it to the full amount allowed by law,” Court Administrator Paul Fox said Monday. But he said the grand jury will keeping meeting until Jan. 7 only if it needs to.

The panel now is hearing evidence in the Michael Brown case exclusively, and can meet whenever it needs to, Fox said."

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...9-8316-76c4867dea48.html#.VBd-XFVqzk4.twitter

 

[katydid23]

David Carson ‏@PDPJ 1m
Grand jury now has until January to decide whether to charge Ferguson officer: http://bit.ly/1wxGKvy via @STLtoday

“She extended it to the full amount allowed by law,” Court Administrator Paul Fox said Monday. But he said the grand jury will keeping meeting until Jan. 7 only if it needs to.

The panel now is hearing evidence in the Michael Brown case exclusively, and can meet whenever it needs to, Fox said.

 

[EvilSoup]

There are no exceptions quoted in the law. And what the law specifically does is distinguish the initial report- which was subject to dozens of FOI requests and IS covered by the Sunshine law- and later information gathered for the purpose of investigating after that, which can be released later. The law says these are two different things- and the incident report should be made public. The statute is very very clear about this. No exceptions are noted, "fair or not". Sorry- it is just not there.

MOO

Thank you so much for speaking the truth/facts. I appreciate your effort in the face of rhetoric and spin.

 

[EvilSoup]

So is that an indication that it looks as if they will not be charging him????

Huh? Why would you think that from the info in the above link? I am not seeing any such indication. Can you explain your claim?

 

[katydid23]

There are no exceptions quoted in the law. And what the law specifically does is distinguish the initial report- which was subject to dozens of FOI requests and IS covered by the Sunshine law- and later information gathered for the purpose of investigating after that, which can be released later. The law says these are two different things- and the incident report should be made public. The statute is very very clear about this. No exceptions are noted, "fair or not". Sorry- it is just not there.

MOO

If your legal assessment was correct, I imagine Crump and Gray and their legal teams would have sued Ferguson already. jmo

 

[katydid23]

Huh? Why would you think that from the info in the above link? I am not seeing any such indication. Can you explain your claim?

That was not a claim. It had a question mark. Actually 4 question marks.

 

[EvilSoup]

I think it's possible that officer Wilson gave a written statement soon after the shooting. If he did, his injuries may have had an affect on what he wrote.

That's something to consider IMO.

Well, yes, but the latest articles that I saw linked here stated that there was no orbital fracture. There was some swelling on the face, supposedly, but since I have not seen with my own two eyes the alleged "beating", I am waiting to decide on justifiable homicide.

 

[popsicle]

Oh dear God..............January? :thud:

David Carson ‏@PDPJ 12m
Lakresha Moore, 34, of #Ferguson, last week she said "We already have our long johns. We're waiting" about delay
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[popsicle]

Paul Hampel ‏@phampel 6m
In light of STL grand jury deadline in #Ferguson case being pushed to Jan: Rodney King was beaten March '91. LA riots came 13 months later.

 

[TheDuchess]

So I just kinda had my mind blown in another "place" online. No link I can provide but I do think it is appropriate to discuss here. Anyway, a theory was put forth that perhaps DJ really never saw much of anything at all, because he ran for the hills the minute this went down. Then when he made his way back, he came upon the grassy knoll discussions about hands up etc and picked up from there. So in other words, I had originally thought that DJ had started the chorus but what if he slinked back to check the status of what was going on and heard this narrative and figured that was his best way to get out of the trouble he may have been in after the robbery and the initial assault. Hmmmm....

 

[i.b.nora]

I don't know how to directly link to documents on Scribd. But there is an interesting document called: "General Order 406.00 - Ferguson Police Department Policy on Incident Reports"

I don't belong to or subscribe to Scribd but I do have the app so I can read things. If I go to scribd.com, I can enter "General Order 406.00" in the search box and the document will appear near the top in a short list of items.

It doesn't seem to me like the Ferguson Police Department has followed its own policies in this case. Of course I could be wrong, i could be misreading the policies.