MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #19

[popsicle]

We've seen multiple snippets of cell phone vids at Canfield Green, but what about the Canfield Green surveillance cameras outside? I was reading about the explosion in negligence claims filed by renters against landlords for failure to provide crime deterrents like outside cameras, particularly in the complex's parking lots and public areas. If the shooting had occurred at night, Crump may have claimed the lack of sufficient lighting played a part. Canfield Green must have had outside cameras in place, so where are those vids?

How dangerous was Canfield Green? Any reporting on how many times police have answered calls from there during the last 5 years, and what was the nature of the calls?

One of the witnesses, during an interview, said the police came thru and took the cameras out for evidence. I think maybe, perhaps she was saying, police mentioned they were collecting the videos. :dunno:

 

[LambChop]

Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNMhQaaMdeg

Around the 2:40 mark, Megyn Kelly asks Daryl Parks what if the head shots occurred when "Michael Brown was aggressing toward the officer?" ... then Parks noted even if MB did so "he was a wounded man." Then Daryl Parks said, "I think if you're surrendering, you don't walk away from the person, you walk to him .. to surrender."

I think that is only true in the game of "Grand Theft Auto". jmo

 

[DebinGA]

Great find! :thumb:

Thanks, please add it to your incredibly useful file of case quotes. Your posts including multiple citations on the same topic are enormously helpful.

 

[DebinGA]

I think that is only true in the game of "Grand Theft Auto". jmo

I raised daughters whose video game/s had Aladdin jumping over roofs and into pots, but I do think MB's avid gaming played a part. MB had difficulty dealing with real people beyond close family imo.

 

[sonjay]

Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNMhQaaMdeg

Around the 2:40 mark, Megyn Kelly asks Daryl Parks what if the head shots occurred when "Michael Brown was aggressing toward the officer?" ... then Parks noted even if MB did so "he was a wounded man." Then Daryl Parks said, "I think if you're surrendering, you don't walk away from the person, you walk to him .. to surrender."

Wow, significant find!

So even Parks acknowledges that MB was advancing on OW. Okay, granted, Parks wasn't a witness and doesn't claim to be, but he does have reason to have inside knowledge of what the witnesses are saying. He admits there were blows at the car, and he admits that MB was advancing on OW. Does anything think Parks would admit to those things if they weren't what happened?

If that's what the witnesses are telling the GJ, and if that's consistent with the physical evidence, I just can't imagine that any GJ could find probable cause for an indictment. Every day, we discover more things supporting "justified shoot" and fewer things supporting "racist cop shoots innocent teen for no reason." To the point that, as someone said above, there's virtually nothing in the MB side's bucket.

 

[Klood-N]

Thanks, please add it to your incredibly useful file of case quotes. Your posts including multiple citations on the same topic are enormously helpful.

Added! Thanks. Seems most here are really digging into the information, but so much has happened and been said it's easy to forget exactly what came out. I'd love to be able to put together all the Crump & Parks quotes. What they say and topics they avoid are interesting.

 

[DebinGA]

I think that is only true in the game of "Grand Theft Auto". jmo

MB no-doubt imo played some version of GTA, which apparently does include points earned by "knock-outs".

Tutorial: http://www.thetechgame.com/Tutorials/id=9639/gta5-1-punch-knock-out-tutorial-grand-theft-auto-v.html

 

[DebinGA]

Wow, significant find!

So even Parks acknowledges that MB was advancing on OW. Okay, granted, Parks wasn't a witness and doesn't claim to be, but he does have reason to have inside knowledge of what the witnesses are saying. He admits there were blows at the car, and he admits that MB was advancing on OW. Does anything think Parks would admit to those things if they weren't what happened?

Parks also verified that MB had a juvie record of some kind.

 

[reedus23]

MB no-doubt imo played some version of GTA, which apparently does include points earned by "knock-outs".

Tutorial: http://www.thetechgame.com/Tutorials/id=9639/gta5-1-punch-knock-out-tutorial-grand-theft-auto-v.html

Not just knock outs but you can beat up a cop and steal his helicopter. My son flies around shooting stuff up then. Not sure which version it is.

 

[bettybaby00]

Wow, significant find!

So even Parks acknowledges that MB was advancing on OW. Okay, granted, Parks wasn't a witness and doesn't claim to be, but he does have reason to have inside knowledge of what the witnesses are saying. He admits there were blows at the car, and he admits that MB was advancing on OW. Does anything think Parks would admit to those things if they weren't what happened?

If that's what the witnesses are telling the GJ, and if that's consistent with the physical evidence, I just can't imagine that any GJ could find probable cause for an indictment. Every day, we discover more things supporting "justified shoot" and fewer things supporting "racist cop shoots innocent teen for no reason." To the point that, as someone said above, there's virtually nothing in the MB side's bucket.

I've been saying this for weeks. The MB " camp" isn't going to admit to damning info unless they know they have to.

Parks has done a media tour that let's these little tidbits dribble out while discounting them as having no relevance.

I said it last night...
The robbery is relevant
The assault is relevant
The struggle over the gun is relevant
And advancing toward OW after all of the above is very relevant, especially if he was backing up at the same time. Doesn't matter what his "movable" arms or hands are doing, he remains a theat as long as he's still advancing.

 

[sonjay]

unable or unwilling to draw any logical conclusions as to whether OW believed that MB was a threat to himself or others?

IMO, saying that there's not enough evidence to draw any conclusions, is in fact saying that there should be no true bill and OW should not be arrested, tried, or convicted. Under our system of justice, the burden is on the prosecution to prove their case. For a true-bill, there has to be probable cause for the GJ to vote for indictment. So, insufficient evidence = no probable cause, no true bill, no trial, no conviction.

Doubts don't mean you get to throw the guy in prison. Doubts mean that you have to let him go.

 

[Linda7NJ]

IMO, saying that there's not enough evidence to draw any conclusions, is in fact saying that there should be no true bill and OW should not be arrested, tried, or convicted. Under our system of justice, the burden is on the prosecution to prove their case. For a true-bill, there has to be probable cause for the GJ to vote for indictment. So, insufficient evidence = no probable cause, no true bill, no trial, no conviction.

Doubts don't mean you get to throw the guy in prison. Doubts mean that you have to let him go.

Love this post!!!


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[K_Z]

How dangerous was Canfield Green? Any reporting on how many times police have answered calls from there during the last 5 years, and what was the nature of the calls?

Snipped for focus. Apparently, VERY, VERY dangerous.

Hundreds of people were moving out of their urban neighborhoods to this north St. Louis County suburb seeking a safe and affordable place to live.

They found it in an isolated corner of Ferguson that was flush with sprawling apartment complexes. Far from Ferguson’s leafy residential streets and quaint downtown, many people didn’t even know the apartments were part of the city until young Michael Brown was shot and killed there Aug. 9.

But not the police. They knew.

After decades of relative calm and stability, the apartments have become a tinderbox for crime. Canfield Green Apartments and the nearby Oakmont and Northwinds complexes are a study of the slow encroachment of poverty and social distress into what had been suburban escapes.

Deidre Spottsville, 37, said she moves her bed closer to the window at night in her Northwinds apartment near W. Florissant in Ferguson on Thursday, Aug. 14, 2014. She said when the shooting starts at night, she wants to be able to get the mattress against the window quickly.

Ferguson’s crime and poverty rate is lower than some of the other North County municipalities. But the small southeast corner of the city where the apartments are glows bright red on crime maps.

That area along West Florissant Avenue and just east of it accounted for 18 percent of all serious crimes reported between 2010 and August 2012, according to a Post-Dispatch analysis of crime data provided by St. Louis County.

The area accounted for 28 percent of all burglaries, 28 percent of all aggravated assaults, 30 percent of all motor vehicle thefts and 40 percent of all robberies reported in the city of 21,000 people.

BBM. The whole article is about how dangerous the area is. I recommend the whole article.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_678334ce-500a-5689-8658-f548207cf253.html

 

[popsicle]

City Council meeting is tonight, right?

 

[Klood-N]

Found this while looking for something else.

Instead of telling grand jury members what charges they believe police officer Darren Wilson should face, they are leaving it open-ended for now and involving the grand jury as co-investigators.

Alizadeh is also presenting evidence to the grand jury and will prosecute the case if they decide to indict Wilson.

“She is a seasoned trial attorney who has done murders, robberies,” said McGraugh, who has been a criminal-defense lawyer in the region for 25 years. “I’ve tried several cases against her, and I was only assigned the most serious felony cases in St. Louis County.”

“She is experienced in every kind of crime that is charged,” Feldman said. “She is very competent, very smart.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ec6ffe-339b-11e4-8f02-03c644b2d7d0_story.html

 

[K_Z]

Parks also verified that MB had a juvie record of some kind.

Yeah, that is one of my all time favorite quotes from those 2 attorneys. "There may have been situations that may have occurred while MB was a juvenile...." A perfect example of lawyer deflection of ANY personal responsibility on the part of the poor hapless juvenile. As in, the situations (plural!) "happened" to MB, and a tacit denial that MB bore any of the responsibility for the "situations happening". He was just a bystander, or a helpless/ hapless victim of circumstances.

That's like someone in a fist fight saying "his face hit my fist".

Or to borrow a line from the musical Chicago, Cell Block Tango, "Then he ran into my knife. He ran into my knife ten times!"

 

[Montjoy]

Parks also verified that MB had a juvie record of some kind.

Do you have a link for this, or are you making inferences/assumptions based on something he said?

 

[Truthy]

It's not my opinion, it's my logical conclusion. .

MLCO? I like it!

 

[Truthy]

Do you have a link for this, or are you making inferences/assumptions based on something he said?

Inference based on the "situations" quote posted above you. Inferred= verified for many in this case, I guess because the police have not been forthcoming with actual evidence. :shrug:

 

[K_Z]

Why would MB ever attack a police officer? Are we desensitizing our youth?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...9e26c2-5154-11e3-9fe0-fd2ca728e67c_story.html

Youngsters interviewed in Columbia Heights said they knew about the knockout game from the simulation video game “Grand Theft Auto,” in which players build a criminal empire and assume roles of thugs who can carjack drivers, shoot people, pick up prostitutes and randomly knock people to the ground.

The KO game has been around a long time. Sadly, service men in the Pacific theater were playing that "game" more than 20 years ago (often times on payday Fridays, when extreme drinking fueled the testosterone and stupidity.) Several active duty service members were arrested in Okinawa for playing "One Punch" when I was stationed in the area.