MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[MyBelle]

Let me say this, I am still not sure I am on board with this, BUT EVEN If this was the case, once MB was out of the car and fleeing he was no longer a threat. You call for back up and pursue on foot, But you don't just start shooting. That is not policing that is executing.

Maybe this guy was not a good guy, But if he was a safe distance away from the cop and the cop just started shooting and the guy had his hands in the air, Then you arrest him or hold him at gun point while back up arrives. You don't just kill him dead.

The man was a suspect in a just-reported strong-arm robbery and had just assaulted a police officer and attempted to go for the police officer's weapon. It was a justified shooting, imo. And I'm willing to change my opinion if the official investigations reveal otherwise.

 

[JLSChook]

http://danaloeschradio.com/alleged-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-offers-his-side/

OMG I cannot believe that the wife of this cop called into a radio show...to give his side of the story. What idiots! Sorry but do they have rocks for brains? I mean come ON!

It wasn't his wife. She said she got the info from his "wife". It's basically rumor at this point. I mean, can they really prove who this person is?

 

[Cherry]

I agree; with the attys on CNN that IF THIS IS THE CASE, and he shot after an altercation even if he was hit; he will be looking at murder charges. This cop needs to be off the force today. Tomorrow is not soon enough. I say this is murder...he had his hands up, he didn't know about the robbery....but has had plenty of time to juggle around his story. We will have to wait on the sunshine laws...and the actual AUDIO of the dashcam and or videocam from that LE vehicle. And I refuse to hear...there isn't one. We all know there is one. And I want the audio and video of it like yesterday. This is shoot now ask questions later. A story that is becoming more and more common each and every day.

 

[MyBelle]

abc news just reported that the officer did consider them as suspects in the robbery?

ABC showed the officer's report: he received a BOLO for a B/M wearing a white t-shirt suspected of strong-arm robbery. They didn't show the entire report only that short notation. I can't remember specific words but it should be available on-line shortly.

 

[Cherry]

The man was a suspect in a just-reported strong-arm robbery and had just assaulted a police officer and attempted to go for the police officer's weapon. It was a justified shooting, imo. And I'm willing to change my opinion if the official investigations reveal otherwise.

He was unarmed, he had his hands up and was shot in the back in broad daylight. Then, as he turned around he was shot five more times per cnn days ago. total of 7 shots fired. Any real good man/woman cop KNOWS that you never ever shoot someone in the back; or after hands are up. This is not procedure, this is murder. This is overkill. And all day today his Own Chief has stated he did not KNOW about the robbery of cigars.....they were found under his body per cnn. A few boxes of cigars do Not look like or even FEEL like the cold hard steel of a gun. We all know the difference, those of us who are armed. This is murder.

 

[formerjerseygirl]

I agree; with the attys on CNN that IF THIS IS THE CASE, and he shot after an altercation even if he was hit; he will be looking at murder charges. This cop needs to be off the force today. Tomorrow is not soon enough. I say this is murder...he had his hands up, he didn't know about the robbery....but has had plenty of time to juggle around his story. We will have to wait on the sunshine laws...and the actual AUDIO of the dashcam and or videocam from that LE vehicle. And I refuse to hear...there isn't one. We all know there is one. And I want the audio and video of it like yesterday. This is shoot now ask questions later. A story that is becoming more and more common each and every day.

There is no dashcam. Not every police car has one.

 

[MyBelle]

That is just his account. I meant the cop speaking out or issuing a statement on his own accord.

The officer's police report IS his sworn testimony. ABC news has it and showed it on their newscast.

 

[cady]

Walking down the middle of the street, blocking traffic:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...elease-name-of-officer-who-shot-michael-brown

Jackson said there was a struggle for the officers gun:

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/08/14/police-chief-shot-was-fired-officers-car-death-michael-brown

Dorian, a witness did NOT say there was a struggle for the gun. He said the gun was fired by Wilson and hit Brown. That is what I read in the supporting link. JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The man was a suspect in a just-reported strong-arm robbery and had just assaulted a police officer and attempted to go for the police officer's weapon. It was a justified shooting, imo. And I'm willing to change my opinion if the official investigations reveal otherwise.

Sorry if was out of the car and away it is not a justified shooting. If his hands were up that is murder.

He was not a suspect when he was stopped. Maybe I would have more faith in this dept and story if it was released in a timely truthful matter.

 

[Tawny]

The initial shot may have been justified (still not sure on that), but shooting him once he's on the ground with his hands in the air is not.

 

[Linda7NJ]

This guy should not be dead. There is no reason he is dead. He should be in jail and anonymous. But he should not be dead. AT this point I don't see anything that shows he did anything to end up dead.

With no cameras, I just dont' see it.

He's dead IMO because he had no clue how to conduct himself as a decent citizen. He did everything wrong. Starting with the strong arm robbery.

 

[Cherry]

It wasn't his wife. She said she got the info from his "wife". It's basically rumor at this point. I mean, can they really prove who this person is?

Yes it's the wife's girlfriend. What a rock. I could shake her from here. you just dont do this. What in the world is wrong down in MO? We are quickly finding out A LOT ....as of today. I was typing fast and meant to put friend of the wife. That didn't come out right

 

[formerjerseygirl]

The officer who shot Ferguson teen Michael Brown stopped Brown and another teen because they were walking in the street, not because of a robbery a few minutes earlier, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said Friday afternoon.

Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street, Jackson said.

But Jackson told the Post-Dispatch that the officer, Darren Wilson, saw cigars in Brown's hand and realized he might be the robber.

From my link posted earlier.

 

[Cherry]

The officer who shot Ferguson teen Michael Brown stopped Brown and another teen because they were walking in the street, not because of a robbery a few minutes earlier, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said Friday afternoon.

Jackson said the officer was aware cigars had been taken in the robbery of a store nearby, but did not know when he encountered Brown and Dorian Johnson that they might be suspects. He stopped them because they were walking in the street, Jackson said.

But Jackson told the Post-Dispatch that the officer, Darren Wilson, saw cigars in Brown's hand and realized he might be the robber.

From my link posted earlier.

Exactly this is exactly what the chief said on CNN all day today...they played his clip over and over. This is murder, This "cop" needs to be fired, and tried and I'm sorry. Yes he took the cigars. That is not in any way, as the crowd mentioned a strong arm robbery in a sense...that you shoot to kill. And we should ALL know and agree on that. Did he do it? Was it him on that tape? YES. Does that have anything to do with why and how he died? NO! It doesn't and it's horrific.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The initial shot may have been justified (still not sure on that), but shooting him once he's on the ground with his hands in the air is not.

hang on to your hat.. We agree..

 

[MyBelle]

Sorry if was out of the car and away it is not a justified shooting. If his hands were up that is murder.

He was not a suspect when he was stopped. Maybe I would have more faith in this dept and story if it was released in a timely truthful matter.

ABC News showed the officer's report. There was a BOLO that fit Brown. The police have released that fact. I do believe it is true. I do believe there was a strong-arm robbery, I do believe there was a BOLO.

JMO

 

[Sonya610]

http://danaloeschradio.com/alleged-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-offers-his-side/

OMG I cannot believe that the wife of this cop called into a radio show...to give his side of the story. What idiots! Sorry but do they have rocks for brains? I mean come ON!

It wasn't the wife, the caller said she is a friend of the officer's "significant other".

Interesting and imo believable story. If it is true the ballistics report/autopsy will prove it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Would have been awesome if he wasn't shot dead for that. Not a death penalty crime. We're talking less than $50. What is his life worth?

Apparently, his life and future wasn't worth all that much to him.

 

[al66pine]

Link to where he manhandled a cop and tried to get his gun. Blocking the roadway. Is there proof of this, aside from speculation?

Not sure how many ppl think they were blocking the roadway, but per cnn, Johnson said they were both walking in the street (not across it).
And that, imo, would normally translate into blocking the roadway, if vehicles are impeded.
For those who did missed this post, here it is:

Brown's Contact w LEO - Does Sidekick's Version Make Sense? Are Stmts Believable?

Said, they were walking in the middle of the street (not crossing it).

LEO told them either to get on the sidewalk or out of the street (w F-word, supposedly, but I'm not disputing that)
They did not comply.

One of them told LEO 'not but a minute away from our destination, and we would shortly be out of the street."
Do you believe polite wording of that response is accurate (I'm not disputing it)?
Further, in the time it took to say that, they could have walked from middle of street to sidewalk.

What was their point in staying in the street - to show LEO or drivers how tough they are?

LEO drove away, stopped, backed up, almost hitting them.
Shows they were still ignoring LEO's order/request/whatever to get out of the street.

Said, not sure why LE turned around.
Well, sidekick just said they were still in street, had still not followed order/request.

Said, LEO asked - what did you say?
Sounds like their earlier, politely worded response was followed by other words, leading LEO to backup.
But sidekick is mystified.

Said "We were so close, almost inches away,..."
Shows they were still in the street (not smart enough to get out of way of traffic? I'm agreeing LEO s/not have gotten so close))

Said when LEO tried to open his door aggressively, the door ricocheted both off me and Big Mike's body.
Were they both hit by door of 4-door cruiser?
Were they standing hip to hip, at precise angle for door to contact them?

Not saying his actions need to make sense to me. Not saying he is deliberately lying. IDK.

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"How did it start? Brown and Dorian Johnson, 22, were walking in the middle of the street, en route to either Brown's grandmother's house (according to Brown's mother and grandmother) or to Johnson's house (according to Johnson), when a Ferguson police officer confronted them.
The officer told the young men either "Get the f*** on the sidewalk" or "Get the f*** out of the street," according to Johnson's accounts to CNN and other news outlets.

The young men replied that they were "not but a minute away from our destination, and we would shortly be out of the street," Johnson told CNN.

The officer drove away but stopped and backed up, almost hitting the pair, Johnson said. He said he wasn't sure what prompted the officer to return. Johnson told MSNBC the officer said something to the effect of "What'd you say?"

"We were so close, almost inches away, that when he tried to open his door aggressively, the door ricocheted both off me and Big Mike's body and closed back on the officer," Johnson said."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-5-things/index.html. BBM
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[MyBelle]

He's dead IMO because he had no clue how to conduct himself as a decent citizen. He did everything wrong. Starting with the strong arm robbery.

I doubt his life of crime started with that particular robbery. The video shows him intimidating the liquor store clerk. His nickname was "Big Mike." The guy was a <mod snip>. Those doing the looting are <mod snip> cut from the same cloth, imo. ABC News reported the officer and family left their home early this morning. That police chief's choice to then release his name and that video was a wise decision. I tip my hat to him.

JMO