MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[Lovejac]

yeah, pretty ballsy but you have to be in that neighborhood for those not in the know

about 10 minutes from altercation at market to Ground Zero

and another officer showed up a minute later (the one who was at the store that was robbed) & EMS (which was already there on another call) responded with 5 mins! I do believe all this is available via MSM otherwise, I would not know

That's interesting to find out it happened at noon. I veiwed a video that a bystander posted on youtube. I was suprised to see so many residence at home that time of day. I assumed they would be at work when this happened.

So is that where he lived? Was he just strolling home after he robbed the store?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Still doesn't call for being shot.


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I believe the version were the officer was assaulted and a struggle for his gun ensued. I believe he was and remained a threat.
I do not believe he at any time had his hands up surrender style.

 

[MyBelle]

Here's where I have trouble in the discussion...

I cannot bring myself to believe that he was shot for walking down the road. At noon. Unarmed, execution style, on a public street. By a white cop who is reportedly clean and won an award. Who, despite the claims of the Chief, knew nothing about a BOLO that came over his radio.

To believe that he kept going after telling them to get out of the road, then stopped and turned around to arrest/shoot MB... Because why?

That narrative just doesn't pass my smell test.

What DOES make sense is that the officer saw them walking in the road, told them to go to the sidewalk, drove on, then realized that they fit the BOLO of a physically aggressive robber, then turned around hastily, and tried to apprehend them, and MB resisted.

What followed, I'm waiting to learn more about. But of the two scenarios, only the second makes any sense to me at all.

(For links to support my description of what the officer knew when, see this post: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10863798)

The narrative doesn't pass my smell test either. But that's because I don't believe an accessory to strong-arm robbery is going to possibly incriminate himself by telling police what really happened. This is why 40 FBI agents are now going door-to-door. To see if folks will come forward without fear that they will be labeled as squealers.

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

I get this. I also don't think he was shot for walking down the road. I have no idea if he had his hands up. It's likely he had words. I do NOT buy that he attacked the cop. He probably ran.

What the issue is for me is that none of this, not even if he were resisting physically, warrants executing an unarmed suspect.

Give chase on foot or follow by car, call for back up, find him later. It's a $50 theft, he's unarmed, if they're that worried about him strong arming in the future they can always follow up and locate him through typical methods. NO ONE had to die.


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If he was shot repeatedly in the back, I will
Change my mind.

 

[Lovejac]

I Agree with you...seems all of a sudden the community WANTS protection from LAW ENFORCEMENT from criminals.

Hmmmmm


Seems LE can't catch a break, either they do their job and get slammed or not do their job and get slammed. Perhaps the community should spend another few nights policing themselves.

IMO

Or perhaps the community should just batten down the hatches and stay inside their homes.

 

[Gardenlady]

Oh...blushing... Nevermind

That's okay, I did the same thing earlier lol. :innocent:


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[William N]

That's ballsy. I would think that after stealing from a store and shoving a clerk, I would try to be as low key as possible. Not try to draw any attention to myself.

I certainly don't think I would be walking in the middle of the street.

What time did this happen? I saw that MB robbed the store around 11:45 am. How much longer after that was he shot?

Well, MB wasn't you. Most of the time, a thief will run away and disappear if he can. MB walked in the middle of the street and called attention to himself.

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By the way, why isn't the physically small store clerk "shoved" by the 300 pound MB considered a victim? And if being "shoved" wasn't enough, his workplace was burned to the ground.

 

[katydid23]

Not clear on this. I read somewhere that Brown handed the BOX to Dorian Johnson, who put the box back on the counter. Then Brown snatched more cigars, shoved the clerk and took off. Am I mistaken? Not sure. JMO

I just read the pdf of the police rport on the robbery. They reported the stolen merch as a $49 box of cigars. Swisher Sweets

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf

 

[Boytwnmom]

I mean, I haven't seen any. It sounds like a crazy CT (conspiracy theory) of the type that tends to crop up these days. I don't see how anyone can consider that without any evidence beyond a similarity between a 6 and an 8. All the evidence I've read/seen indicates that is simply an easily refutable CT. There's video from 3 different cameras, a 19 page police report, the admission by the person with MB that he had just robbed the store, statements in the police report by the store manager and witnsesses who pointed oput the direction MB had gone in and numerous other indicators that this event occurred just prior to the encounter between the officer & MB.

Only due to an allegation the store theft was from 6/9..not 8/9...if that comes out it was two months earlier, then it's CYA mode..

 

[Linda7NJ]

Well, MB wasn't you. Most of the time, a thief will run away and disappear if he can. MB walked in the middle of the street and called attention to himself.

IMO he did so because he considered himself in charge of the neighborhood.

By the way, why isn't the physically small store clerk "shoved" by the 300 pound MB considered a victim?

That's what I want to know.
The store clerk and the police officer that was forced to defend himself are the victims IMO.
There are no charges against anyone.

If anything IMO he was a victim of his own criminal behavior

 

[MyBelle]

BBM

It's a completely impotent response, IMO-- which is perhaps how it is designed and intended to be. Impotent "on purpose".

They've tried posturing, as well as "benign neglect." I personally think it's time for a considerable show of force against the looters and rioters. Nothing less will persuade the rioters and looters to stop. They need clear limits, and boundaries, announced consequences, and assertive follow thru, much like unruly, defiant, mouthy adolescents, and the criminals they are. And a large staffed secure area to process those who are arrested, and transport them to jail. Those who resist arrest should be dealt with appropriately, IAW established protocols. IMO. Get these criminals off the streets. The whole thing is a mockery of what a peace keeping force is supposed to be, IMO. I don't care if the officers or the criminals are black, white, pink, purple, or day glow orange-- get the situation under control NOW.

Enough pussy footing around. The authorities need to very assertively take control of the situation. Even if that means martial law. The business owners and law abiding citizens deserve that response. Right now, IMO, security and law enforcement is an incompetent joke.

ITA. I'm aghast at the "let's just talk" approach. It hasn't worked. Heck, the press conference itself lacked any semblance of control. Instead of the highway patrol, why doesn't the Governor send in the National Guard? It's what they are trained for. Troops. I just don't get it.

JMO

 

[krimekat]

That's interesting to find out it happened at noon. I veiwed a video that a bystander posted on youtube. I was suprised to see so many residence at home that time of day. I assumed they would be at work when this happened.

So is that where he lived? Was he just strolling home after he robbed the store?

it was Saturday Noon

he was staying with his gramma

 

[katydid23]

What is this about? Walking down the middle of the street? Is that what he did after he robbed the store?

YEP. :facepalm:

 

[katydid23]

If he was shot repeatedly in the back, I will
Change my mind.

Me too.

 

[MyBelle]

Well, MB wasn't you. Most of the time, a thief will run away and disappear if he can. MB walked in the middle of the street and called attention to himself.

IMO he did so because he considered himself in charge of the neighborhood.

By the way, why isn't the physically small store clerk "shoved" by the 300 pound MB considered a victim? And if being "shoved" wasn't enough, his workplace was burned to the ground.

BBM. I think this is exactly what is going on and this is the reason the FBI agents are now going door-to-door. People have been afraid to come forward.

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

ITA. I'm aghast at the "let's just talk" approach. It hasn't worked. Heck, the press conference itself lacked any semblance of control. Instead of the highway patrol, why doesn't the Governor send in the National Guard? It's what they are trained for. Troops. I just don't get it.

JMO

Let them police themselves for a bit longer... I'm serious.
Then perhaps they will have a new found respect for those that put on a uniform and risk theirs lives everyday to protect and serve.

Are there bad cops? Sure.
There is zero evidence, not a single shred of credible evidence this cop did anything wrong. We know the "victim" was on his own little crime spree & being as disrespectful of his community as he could possibly be.

IMO

 

[krimekat]

If he was shot repeatedly in the back, I will
Change my mind.

I have yet to see an autopsy report

 

[krimekat]

Well, MB wasn't you. Most of the time, a thief will run away and disappear if he can. MB walked in the middle of the street and called attention to himself.

IMO he did so because he considered himself in charge of the neighborhood.

By the way, why isn't the physically small store clerk "shoved" by the 300 pound MB considered a victim? And if being "shoved" wasn't enough, his workplace was burned to the ground.

well, they failed to burn it down last night -- now it's being protected by armed guards

 

[i.b.nora]

Well, MB wasn't you. Most of the time, a thief will run away and disappear if he can. MB walked in the middle of the street and called attention to himself.

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By the way, why isn't the physically small store clerk "shoved" by the 300 pound MB considered a victim? And if being "shoved" wasn't enough, his workplace was burned to the ground.

Umm, no his workplace was NOT burned down. It was another convenience store that was burned down.

 

[katydid23]

Umm, no his workplace was NOT burned down. It was another convenience store that was burned down.

bUt the store that was robbed by MB was a hotbed of trouble all night long. There were troublemakers TRYING to get inside, but community heroes stood out front and backed them down. If the community had not stepped up, the store would have been burned down, imo.