MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #2

[Linda7NJ]

They did go after it though. I wonder how the store clerk is doing. I hope he is all right.

Me too. Poor little guy, just trying to make a living...

 

[i.b.nora]

this happened at Noon

"quickie mart" robbery was 10 mins prior & shooting around 3 mins after 12p Central time

I live here - and remember

Would you be so kind as to provide a link that mentions or details a "Quickie Mart" robbery prior to the Ferguson Liquor store robbery? I totally missed that.

 

[reedus23]

It is very interesting to me that the store owner did not call 911 himself. He was assulted and robbed yet he was not going to report it. While I have heard alot about the community fearing the police and being mistreated by them, I wonder if that is the whole story of this community. How do business owners feel about the community and police? Do they feel unprotected by the police? Is lawlessness typical and expected? Sounds like it is not just a story of residents living in fear of LE. It seems odd to me that residents are so afraid of the police in the same place where business owners are afraid of reporting crime. Let's just say that's not a community I'd be looking to move into.

While not completely crime ridden normally, it is definitely a rough part of town. I am sure many shop owners fear certain segments of that community. You can see what happened to his store as a result of being connected to this ordeal. He probably figured the loss of a box of Swisher's was not worth the headaches that potentially come with it. I will also add that at the very beginning, there were local rumors that MB was involved in a robbing a store (some said QT, some said a different mart) but as soon as that came out, there were rumors that the store owner never called the police. Everyone in the rumor mill at least then assumed that meant MB wasn't involved in a robbery. Also thinking back on it, I do remember thinking at the time, it was an odd response that the owner said he didn't call the police. The rumors weren't that the owner denied being robbed, only that he didn't call the police. I had frankly brushed it off at that point not knowing either way and it only being rumors at that point. I would guess that as soon as the first rumor started, the owner didn't want trouble with the community and got the second part of it out. Turns out he got trouble anyways. As much as I think it is dangerous to the cop to release his name, I think it is dangerous for the store owner to release his name/business.

 

[krimekat]

Would you be so kind as to provide a link that mentions or details a "Quickie Mart" robbery prior to the Ferguson Liquor store robbery? I totally missed that.

I'm using The Simpson's euphemism "quickie mart" for ALL convenient stores in that area since there are conflicting reports where what happened -- which is too funny for us locals

it's all spelled out already with what has come out without FBI approval (thank you, Ferguson PD) . . . no need for an FBI or County report IMHO

 

[MyBelle]

It is very interesting to me that the store owner did not call 911 himself. He was assulted and robbed yet he was not going to report it. While I have heard alot about the community fearing the police and being mistreated by them, I wonder if that is the whole story of this community. How do business owners feel about the community and police? Do they feel unprotected by the police? Is lawlessness typical and expected? Sounds like it is not just a story of residents living in fear of LE. It seems odd to me that residents are so afraid of the police in the same place where business owners are afraid of reporting crime. Let's just say that's not a community I'd be looking to move into.

I agree. There were two red flags that the clerk feared reprisal: he didn't phone police but it seems he also isn't going to press charges against the accomplice. Yet the store was still attacked last night which is in reprisal. Only criminals fear police will catch them. I think the store owner has experienced such strong-arm shake downs by thugs for a long time and he has accepted it as the price for doing business.

I don't know who the Chief of Police works for in that community but his boss has failed its citizens. I assume the community has elected officials. Time for them to step up and devote some resources to restoring the public trust. Police can't help stores if they don't call them.

JMO

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I wonder if the victim had a job or worked in the neighborhood part-time because it seems so senseless to rob some dang cigars? If he held down a job, have any of his co-workers come out and spoken on his behalf?

'just wondering...

 

[Linda7NJ]

Curious to know what 'shot repeatedly in the back' means to you and Linda, if you don't mind. More than once? More than twice?

Also, why would that make you change your mind knowing that it is within LE's rights to shoot at a fleeing felon, especially one who is dangerous. (re: strong arm robbery, assaulting LEO, trying to grab LEO weapon)

I would consider the eyewitness testimony I've heard about this far.
I've dismissed the eyewitness testimony because at this point I find it incredible.
I would be more open because right now, I am 110% behind the cop and believe it's a justified killing.

 

[Lovejac]

YEP. :facepalm:

That seems very "in your face" to me.

 

[CHERIE.T]

What will happen tonight at midnight when curfew begins?

 

[reedus23]

Not really, it just means that officer, who took the report, did not see him. On page 6; He looked in the direction the witness said they went on W Florrisant and over to the QuikMart. Didn't see then so he broadcast the description over the radio. The shooting took place over on Canfield Dr and Copperfield Ct. just a few minutes after the robbery.

Many thanks. But why, at 7:00, is the cop saying he doesn't see anyone matching the description if, hours earlier, a FPD officer potentially ID'ed the subject? Does that mean that no one, including DW, put 2 and 2 together as of 7:00 that night that MB and the robbery suspect were one in the same?

 

[HauntsForHope]

I think what Baden is saying is that the family doesn't believe that is their son in the security video. And such denial is perfectly understandable. I'd have trouble accepting my adored son would do something like that.

JMO

I wonder how many 6'4, 300 lb guys wearing khaki shorts, white t shirt and a red cardinals hat are walking into the store.... he is quite recognizable. And so is Johnson. Both are clearly visable on the tape.

 

[krimekat]

What will happen tonight at midnight when curfew begins?

we'll see!

 

[Wysteria]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/NllQmksKv7A

Captain Ronald Johnson.

Thank you for this link.

I've watched the video several times. My feelings and observations may not be well received but I'm going to share them nonetheless.

I cannot understand why LE is being blamed by some for the damage caused by the looting, burning, mayhem etc..

How in the world can local LE be everywhere at every store that is or may be in danger? My post is focusing on the video and local LE only.
According to Cpt. Johnson three officers were injured last night/morning.

I've read reports and it's been said multiple times that LE is on scene while the looting is going on and LE "just stood there watching".

I've also read (on this forum, as well) that LE is darned if they do and darned if they don't. I completely agree.

What would have happened had LE took action and fired rubber bullets or tear gas or whatever instead of " just standing there watching"? I feel that LE would have been criticized for taking action.

Some of the press have been very critical of local LE as well.

Cpt. Johnson appears exhausted in the video, I would not want to be in his place, that is for sure. I feel very sorry for him.

This post is only my opinion, and I have not posted links, but I will if anyone asks me to.

 

[reedus23]

What will happen tonight at midnight when curfew begins?

The community has told the police, the streets are yours after midnight. They will come in and come in with force I would imagine. That is if the rioters are stupid enough to be out and I'm sure some will. What I would be surprised to see, however, is one concentrated area. I guess it might happen but I wouldn't be surprised to see stuff pop up here and there and LE having to respond to various areas.

 

[HauntsForHope]

Many thanks. But why, at 7:00, is the cop saying he doesn't see anyone matching the description if, hours earlier, a FPD officer potentially ID'ed the subject? Does that mean that no one, including DW, put 2 and 2 together as of 7:00 that night that MB and the robbery suspect were one in the same?

Read the notes on page 10 for the detail. He didnt see him at noon. On page 8 he confirms and matches the description of the robber to the shooting victim.

 

[Lovejac]

According to Brown family atty, Michael Baden is doing the 2nd autopsy report. And he says the family has not seen the original report.

He also says the robbery video ' has not been authenticated' by the family.


ETA: since when does LE have to have family members authenticate crime surveillance videos?

Authenticate what?? Since when does a family member of a robber authenticate a video from store owners camera? :waitasec:

 

[LietKynes]

What will happen tonight at midnight when curfew begins?

RSBM

Just my :twocents: , I think the curfew will be ignored. There is something wrong in that city of Ferguson, and more people than just the looters are upset.
MOO
It was heartening to see the people who stood in a line to protect the store from further looting or being burned down. Gives me hope for the human race. Don't know about the rest of you here at WS, but I tend to focus too much on the negative and forget that there are good, decent people out there !

 

[MyBelle]

I wonder how many 6'4, 300 lb guys wearing khaki shorts, white t shirt and a red cardinals hat are walking into the store.... he is quite recognizable. And so is Johnson. Both are clearly visable on the tape.

I don't believe that is their point. They might believe it is photo shopped or in some way tampered with by police. They need more and that's understandable.

JMO

 

[HauntsForHope]

Thank you for this link.

I've watched the video several times. My feelings and observations may not be well received but I'm going to share them nonetheless.

I cannot understand why LE is being blamed by some for the damage caused by the looting, burning, mayhem etc..

How in the world can local LE be everywhere at every store that is or may be in danger? My post is focusing on the video and local LE only.
According to Cpt. Johnson three officers were injured last night/morning.

I've read reports and it's been said multiple times that LE is on scene while the looting is going on and LE "just stood there watching".

I've also read (on this forum, as well) that LE is darned if they do and darned if they don't. I completely agree.

What would have happened had LE took action and fired rubber bullets or tear gas or whatever instead of " just standing there watching"? I feel that LE would have been criticized for taking action.

Some of the press have been very critical of local LE as well.

Cpt. Johnson appears exhausted in the video, I would not want to be in his place, that is for sure. I feel very sorry for him.

This post is only my opinion, and I have not posted links, but I will if anyone asks me to.

LE is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

 

[JLSChook]

I would consider the eyewitness testimony I've heard about this far.
I've dismissed the eyewitness testimony because at this point I find it incredible.
I would be more open because right now, I am 110% behind the cop and believe it's a justified killing.

Thanks, Linda. You and I are on the same page.