MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #20

[William N]

http://fox2now.com/2014/09/17/black-north-co-leaders-say-no-to-supporting-democratic-candidates/

Several elected Black leaders have formed a coalition and announced that they will no longer support Democratic candidates who don’t “respect” them.

It is somewhat odd that people who claim they "are mistreated by the justice system" don't believe in Due Process.

 

[LambChop]

I would guess they go back a number of years. I would bet that not only are they for people who are no longer residents, but some of the warrants are for people who were never residents in the first place. It's also just a guess, but I would imagine a vast majority are for traffic related offenses, though I'd bet there's some for things like possession, peace disturbance and stuff like that too. Anything much more serious would likely get certified to the County.

I would guess traffic tickets. In some states the officer removes your plate from your car and your car is towed if you get pulled over for an expired tag. Expired tag could mean no inspection, no insurance and no taxes paid on the property. Driving is a privilege that you are expected to pay for. It involves a great deal of responsibility that if it is abused it will be removed. It is the law and that is why we have fines. It is suppose to wake people up to the fact that they have to follow the same rules as everyone else, without exception. It is not that a certain group is being picked on, it is the law. jmo

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

In case anyone is interested in watching (or re-watching, for a special self inflicted punishment, lol!) the Ferguson City Council meeting fiasco from last evening, here is a link to all 54:22 seconds. I'll post in the media thread, too.

http://bambuser.com/v/4931156

BBM: lmao!!!!!!! You got that right!!!! (Can we say, "Glutton for punishment?!")



Ms. Chop posted this in the prior thread:

There is no excuse for not getting an education in America. There are government loans, grants, scholarships, online classes, adult night classes, etc. What is required is initiative. If you want an education in America you can get it. If you are poverty level there are grants that will get you where you want to be. No excuses, ever. jmo

That includes persons with disabilities and parents with young children.

Colleges and universities have centers for educational access to help students obtain needed accommodations. Many colleges and universities now have special programs for students with serious intellectual disabilities, [and our clients who participate in the local university program are thrilled about it].

Many colleges and universities also have on-campus day care for students who are parents of younger children.

Many college and university towns now have their own bus systems to help students get to and from school.

Most colleges and universities have on-campus part-time jobs for students (above and beyond the traditional work/study jobs that are part of a student's financial aid package).

Most colleges and universities have free tutoring programs for students in various subject areas.

Most colleges and universities have free placement services to help students get part-time jobs off campus while still in school and full-time jobs once they have graduated.

The old adage comes to mind: "Where there's a will, there's a way."

 

[LambChop]

"Ms. Chop"....oh, no Snoopy, you make me sound like dinner.


:floorlaugh:

 

[cady]

A bit surprised but VERY glad that OW has testified (according to anonymous source close to investigation). If so, it could mean a GJ decision earlier than expected. JMO

 

[Klood-N]

I think it shows integrity and strength that Officer Wilson chose to give testimony before the grand jury and for 4 hours.

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

"Ms. Chop"....oh, no Snoopy, you make me sound like dinner.


:floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

Sorry 'bout that! lmao

If it makes you feel any better, this "Ms." (normally) resides on my bed:



(Yes it's 1:00 p.m. No my bed is not made yet!)

 

[bettybaby00]

http://fox2now.com/2014/09/17/black-north-co-leaders-say-no-to-supporting-democratic-candidates/

Several elected Black leaders have formed a coalition and announced that they will no longer support Democratic candidates who don’t “respect” them.

Well duh...when would one ever support a politician who "doesn't respect them" SMH

 

[Frydaddy]

Just read a comment posted 11 hrs ago on stlpublicradio.org, and not citing it as factual. Anyone see the vid?
http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post...ows-release-grand-jury-transcripts-recordings

"I was watching the news that day. I think it was CNN that showed a video
of the attack and shooting. This is what I saw. Mike was attacking the
officer inside the police cruiser. He was using his bulk to hold the
officer in place. The other guy was holding the officer's leg so the
officer could not move. The other guy jumped up and ran away. Mike
pushed himself off of the officer and stood up. He pulled up his pants,
turned, and ran away.
The officer stood up. He was holding the
left side of his face. He went to walk towards Mike but staggered to the
left and then to the right. His right hand swayed back and forth with
gun in hand. His arm swayed up as if to aim but did not stop. Not sure
if he fired.
Mike stopped running, turned around, and ran
towards the officer. The officer shot two times. Mike went down slowly
and fell on his side. The officer staggered over to Mike and shot three
times. End of video
The video was shown many times over the
next hour and then went poof. Never to be seen again. That was between
1PM to 2PM Cen USA."

If it was an authentic vid, seems like it would have resurfaced.

If it was a computer-gen reconstruction of attack & shooting,
seems like it aired waaaay soon after attack & shooting--
too soon to have been produced or made.

{{{ETA: Not saying attack-&-first shot-sequence did not happen that way.
just wondering if any vid captured this early action, the attack-&-first-shot-in-car.}}}

So, anyone see that vid???
(or was commenter delusional or deliberately lying that s/he saw vid w that sequence of events?)

Thx in adv.

I would tend to doubt the authenticity, much of it is inconsistent with what we know, isn't it?

 

[bettybaby00]

I think it shows integrity and strength that Officer Wilson chose to give testimony before the grand jury and for 4 hours.

Agreed. It can also be viewed as proof that he has nothing to hide, as well as belief that his actions were justified. He did not have to appear, and if his lawyer felt that it would in anyway jeopardize him, he wouldn't have allowed it (not that he could have literally stopped him, but you know what I mean )

Testifying before the GJ will also diminish any future claims that the process was "rigged," or "it's not right, we never got his side of the story" narratives.

 

[Frydaddy]

From the clarity mentioned above we are on the same page. In closing I thought your question was rhetorical. Jmo.

ciao

Not to belabor the point, but it was rhetorical. I think much more is gained by answers to rhetorical questions rather than discussing the same things over and over again. However, many are uncomfortable answering them for some reason. Oh well, thanks again!

 

[Frydaddy]

http://fox2now.com/2014/09/17/black-north-co-leaders-say-no-to-supporting-democratic-candidates/

Several elected Black leaders have formed a coalition and announced that they will no longer support Democratic candidates who don’t “respect” them.

Would love to see the checklist on what constitutes respect. Would also love to see the list of accomplishments they think commands or earns respect.

 

[reedus23]

I would guess traffic tickets. In some states the officer removes your plate from your car and your car is towed if you get pulled over for an expired tag. Expired tag could mean no inspection, no insurance and no taxes paid on the property. Driving is a privilege that you are expected to pay for. It involves a great deal of responsibility that if it is abused it will be removed. It is the law and that is why we have fines. It is suppose to wake people up to the fact that they have to follow the same rules as everyone else, without exception. It is not that a certain group is being picked on, it is the law. jmo

I don't think I said anything about any of that. Simply answered some questions about time period, who was getting them and what for.

Traffic tickets in St. Louis are a revenue generating machine. I'm sure other places do the same, but I know other parts of Missouri don't even handle them like St. Louis does. For instance, simple speeding ticket might run $70 but you take points and insurance may go up. Routinely such tickets are reduced to excessive vehicle noise with no points, save on insurance but the fine will be $250. No real interest in instilling responsibility. No real concern that someone broke the law. So the righteous indignation that some espouse over people being held accountable for not abiding by the rules and the "law is the law" doesn't really fly with me when charges are routinely reduced to illegal parking but the costs are tripled or more.

Now compare that to Cape Girardeau County, 1 1/2 hours south of St. Louis. A routine speeding ticket will involve a guilty plea to the offense as charged, 2 years unsupervised probation which, if completed successfully will have the original charges dropped, community service and payment of court costs ($60.50). It requires a person to file an affidavit setting forth any other traffic offense they've had, including any with an SIS, whether they have a CDL and more. If one wants to talk about responsibility and wants to tell me that the Courts or prosecuting attorney are concerned about what the law is and the punishments for breaking the law, I'll buy it in Cape Girardeau County.

 

[Frydaddy]

reedus23 -- thx for link.

"Country Club Hills issued 1.5 warrants per resident last year. But what’s accumulated is even more striking: the city reported 33,000 outstanding warrants, or about 26 per resident."

All stemming from traffic violations?
Accumulating, starting when? How many yrs ago.
Is it poss some accumulated warrants were issued for ppl no longer CCH residents?

I would bet the majority of these warrants were out of town residents from their speed cameras on Lucas & Hunt and W. Florissant. They listed ~1500 traffic stops and 40 arrests in 2013, so those numbers seem to indicate this is what they have on the books for total historical open warrants of all people who've ever driven on their streets and their residents.

 

[reedus23]

I think it shows integrity and strength that Officer Wilson chose to give testimony before the grand jury and for 4 hours.

Agree with that and without knowing what these other 12 supposed witnesses have to say, he may not have had a choice but to testify.

 

[Frydaddy]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...d-81b3-3c577f1e9208.html#.VBm_UzFVrFY.twitter

Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson testified for almost four hours Tuesday in front of a St. Louis County grand jury investigating the Aug. 9 shooting of Michael Brown, a source with knowledge of the investigation said Wednesday.

Well, assuming Wilson has a union delegate attorney and assuming said attorney advised against testifying since he cannot have attorney present, we can then assume that Team Wilson is very (over)confident in the coaching of the team (offered as a possibility to those who feel Wilson used excessive force) or that everyone on Team Wilson is confident that Wilson account is true and is safely covered by the matching evidence and eyewitness accounts that will exonerate him.

 

[katydid23]

stevegiegerich ‏@stevegiegerich 5m
Darren Wilson testifies in front of grand jury: http://bit.ly/1wDOOel via @STLtoday@rxpatrick #Ferguson

I am happy and relieved to hear this. I know he didn't have to, but really hoped he would testify in person in front of the GJ. It will be better in the long run, no matter which way the GJ decides. Thank You Officer Wilson for stepping forward and telling your truth, and answering hard questions.

 

[CHERIE.T]

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#STL folks, help a reporter out - @stephlecci wants to talk to law enforcement / #DarrenWilson supporters about #Ferguson. Tweet/DM her
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bahahaha She can't be serious.
What's next...people supporting OW and LE will then get a big ole red target painted on their chest?

 

[bettybaby00]

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...d-81b3-3c577f1e9208.html#.VBm_UzFVrFY.twitter

Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson testified for almost four hours Tuesday in front of a St. Louis County grand jury investigating the Aug. 9 shooting of Michael Brown, a source with knowledge of the investigation said Wednesday.

This was interesting as well..

Wilson was not obligated to testify, and has also spoken with St. Louis County investigators twice and federal investigators once, the source said. The source said that Wilson had been “cooperative.”

Ed Magee, a spokesman for St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert P. McCulloch's office, said Wednesday that he would not comment on which witnesses have testified.

Tiffany Mitchell, a witness who has spoken publicly about what she saw, has not yet been subpoenaed, her lawyer Peter Cohen said Wednesday. Asked the same question last week about witness Piaget Crenshaw, lawyer Karen Lewis declined to comment.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_74022ab8-756f-5e1d-81b3-3c577f1e9208.html

 

[DebinGA]

Would love to see the checklist on what constitutes respect. Would also love to see the list of accomplishments they think commands or earns respect.

Hazel Erby and Charlie Dooley, both over 60, were challenged by far younger Democrats in their primaries. Dooley lost to white council member Stenger, and Erby beat lawyer/professor Wesley Bell. http://www.friendsofwesleybell.com/bio/ I think age-related sour grapes and resentment at being challenged by fellow Dems is behind they're feeling "disrespected".