MO - Grief & protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown #20

[reedus23]

I don't bet on people's lives but she very well may testify since she was on CNN lying like a rug -- some people don't want to know or hear the truth; they only have their version of the truth in their minds

this Tefoe interview with Mark Reardon is telling of the lack of true information these domestic terrorists are banking on . . .

Something new must have come out that I glossed over. What parts of her statements were a lie? Seriously curious. I saw frydaddy's attack on her credibility but I thought that had more to do with questioning her ability to perceive events. Is that all you're referencing too?

 

[Muffet]

Okay I am catching up. FOUR HOURS? Sheeshers. The whole thing happened in less than a minute. Four hours is a long time.

St. Louis better get ready for some civil disturbance because I don't see the GJ returning an indictment.

Four hours, without counsel or anyone else there to guide him or object to any question put to him.

 

[krimekat]

Steve Stenger's bragging on himself for supporting Bob McCulloch is self-serving imo, as both the City EO and the DA are elected county-wide and voters have reelected McCulloch at every opportunity since 1991. Stenger may see a real possiblity of losing to his Republican opponent without the usually reliable black votes.

pfft - only way Stenger will lose is if Democrats vote against him meaning they have to vote a Republican ballot in Nov -- won't happen

black voters can write in Michael Brown's name & still not have enough votes in the County for County Executive beating Steve Stenger -- heck Republicans are voting for him

and the militants want to burn the City down regardless - Sen Claire McCaskill is next on KMOX 1120am - bye bye ignorant Tefoe IMHO militant terrorist not waiting to know the TRUTH

 

[William N]

Would love to see the checklist on what constitutes respect. Would also love to see the list of accomplishments they think commands or earns respect.

Do the aforementioned consider robbing and assaulting a store clerk a way to earn respect?

 

[Muffet]

Steve Stenger's bragging on himself for supporting Bob McCulloch is self-serving imo, as both the City EO and the DA are elected county-wide and voters have reelected McCulloch at every opportunity since 1991. Stenger may see a real possiblity of losing to his Republican opponent without the usually reliable black votes.

I know nothing about the local players in St Louis politics, but FWIW, I remember that, during the last presidential election, there was much discussion about the (I can't remember the name of the big national group) efforts to turn Missouri into a blue state through the St Louis reach.

Again, FWIW. It's just always in the back of my mind when I see so much politicking going on here. *shrug*

 

[krimekat]

Steve Stenger's bragging on himself for supporting Bob McCulloch is self-serving imo, as both the City EO and the DA are elected county-wide and voters have reelected McCulloch at every opportunity since 1991. Stenger may see a real possiblity of losing to his Republican opponent without the usually reliable black votes.

Stenger knew he didn't have the "black vote" back in Aug 2014 during the primary but won anyway

 

[katydid23]

Who was it that was telling black voters to write in MikeBrown ? That is so stupid. What a wasted vote.

 

[DebinGA]

Four hours, without counsel or anyone else there to guide him or object to any question put to him.

“The probable cause standard is satisfied if there is enough competent evidence to warrant a reasonable person to believe that the defendant committed the crime,” says Sean O’Brien, a former public defense lawyer who is now a law professor at the University of Missouri-Kansas City.

Posting link to entire article isn't allowed as it's at a political site, but I hope this direct quote is okay.

 

[popsicle]

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[Trident]

Tefoe on KMOX 1120am

http://betaplayer.radio.com/player/RadioPlayer.php?station=87

McCulloch is a racist !!! Because his father was murdered by a black man . . . GAWD

By that same logic we could say black men are murderers, but of course we know better. Right?

 

[krimekat]

Something new must have come out that I glossed over. What parts of her statements were a lie? Seriously curious. I saw frydaddy's attack on her credibility but I thought that had more to do with questioning her ability to perceive events. Is that all you're referencing too?

she was one of the early witnesses that noted the scuffle at the SUV but said MB was shot in the back by ODW, right -- googling . . .

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-michael-brown-dueling-narratives/

she was driving when she saw the scuffle at the SUV/car . . . pulled her phone out while she was driving to video it . . . Hit From Behind which we know is not the truth - so yeah, we can wait GJ time listening to her

 

[Muffet]

Something new must have come out that I glossed over. What parts of her statements were a lie? Seriously curious. I saw frydaddy's attack on her credibility but I thought that had more to do with questioning her ability to perceive events. Is that all you're referencing too?

I suppose if someone told me they saw something that they couldn't have seen, I'd consider it a lie.


For the record, I have seen frydaddy analyze things before, and his diligence, integrity, and willingness to invite fair and open feedback has earned my respect for his research.

I have yet to see him dodge questions or stick to a position when more logical and fair arguments are presented to him.

Just my :twocents:

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[DebinGA]

Stenger knew he didn't have the "black vote" back in Aug 2014 during the primary but won anyway

Stenger won handily, iirc something like 89,000 votes for him and 39,000 for Dooley. Maybe his endorsement of McCulloch today was brave then, given the animus directed at both last night.

 

[reedus23]

This... Says more than anything, imo.

I don't have anything to add, except that if I had any doubts left, just his willingness to do this would answer all I needed to know.



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I so cannot follow that logic. Is the lesson learned for future criminals...always testify before a GJ because that means you are less likely to have committed the offense? Seems like a dangerous position to take or is that just a position for this case only?

 

[Lovejac]

Erby prominently displays an endorsement from Lacy Clay on her website. Looks like shes currently running for reelection. We discussed him before. If that's who she wants to associate with, it says a lot about her, IMO. I think a lot of these politicians don't want their names added to the target list by the rioters too. http://www.hazelerby.com/

Clay made headlines in early 2007 when, as a member of the Congressional Black Caucus (co-founded by his father), he objected to the possible inclusion of U.S. Representative Steve Cohen of Tennessee, a Caucasian who represents the majority-African American district in Memphis and had made a campaign promise to attempt to become the first white member of the CBC. Although it is not part of the CBC's bylaws that members must be black, all members so far have been black.[5] Clay told Cohen "that he could not collaborate with the Congressional Black Caucus for the benefit of his black constituents 'until your skin turns black.'"
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lacy_Clay,_Jr.

Not someone I'd like to keep company with, that's for sure.

But like attracts like :wink:

 

[krimekat]

honestly, if McCulloch recused himself from this case, there would be what 10 yrs of cases that could be re-opened due to his bias??? That is why he has these 2 competent women doing his job for him . . .

 

[SnoopyDawgDawg]

Stenger won handily, iirc something like 89,000 votes for him and 39,000 for Dooley. Maybe his endorsement of McCulloch today was brave then, given the animus directed at both last night.

That's how I took it...an "I ain't skeered" approach, and good for him!

 

[bettybaby00]

How much you wanna bet she testifies before the GJ, a failure to register vehicle charge or not.

I don't think the "failure to register a vehicle" violation would impede her from testifying. if she hadn't taken care of it, I'm sure she was in line when all the warrants, tickets etc., were ripped up/forgiven the other week.

The more important question is does the GJ even want to hear from her?

 

[reedus23]

she was one of the early witnesses that noted the scuffle a the SUV but said MB was shot in the back by ODW, right -- googling . . .

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/19/us/ferguson-michael-brown-dueling-narratives/

she was driving when she saw the scuffle at the SUV/car . . . pulled her phone out while she was driving to video it . . . Hit From Behind which we know is not the truth - so yeah, we can wait GJ time listening to her

Aha. So that makes her a liar? Or were her words more like and his body jerked like he was hit? Or is it possible that it was her impression that he was shot but her impression was simply wrong? I guess that could be posited as lying or it could be said she was answering truthfully, albeit her perception was wrong. Or is it even remotely possible that MB was shot in the arm while his back was turned as some have posited? Or, it's possible that she really was lying, i.e. that she knew for a fact that MB was never shot with his back turned but actually did say he was shot with his back turned.

 

[reedus23]

I suppose if someone told me they saw something that they couldn't have seen, I'd consider it a lie.


For the record, I have seen frydaddy analyze things before, and his diligence, integrity, and willingness to invite fair and open feedback has earned my respect for his research.

I have yet to see him dodge questions or stick to a position when more logical and fair arguments are presented to him.

Just my :twocents:

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And how is it that she saw nothing?

I didn't criticize frydaddy's analysis. Not sure why you take it as such. I don't have to agree with it in order to respect his diligence and hard work.